1G, Auto, GTX45R, Kiggley, ETS, English, and 40+psi

[96awd]

So a shop puts the motor together and blows it up on the dyno? Id imagine they are liable for damages. Or did i completely miss whats going on here.

A shop can't be held liable for damages in that case. Just because they put it together, don't mean anything. Faulty parts happen a lot more than you think which cause a motor to fail.

 

[91stocker]

A shop can't be held liable for damages in that case. Just because they put it together, don't mean anything. Faulty parts happen a lot more than you think which cause a motor to fail.

If they assembled it they are. No ####ing way it was put together or tuned right to blow on the first run.

My friend had a shop put together a motor for him. Broke it in on the dyno, then went on to make 1150hp after 18 or so pulls. That motor still runs strong after two seasons. Its getting pulled to be freshened up, but still.

Id take it to court and let them settle it.

 

[96awd]

If they assembled it they are. No ####ing way it was put together or tuned right to blow on the first run.

My friend just had a shop put together a motor for him. Broke it in on the dyno, then went on to make 1150hp after 18 or so pulls. That motor still runs strong after two seasons. Its getting pulled to be freshened up, but still.

Id take it to court and let them settle it.

It's happened quite a few times around here, not the local go-to DSM shop but a few other shops (Craven performance, PuR Performance, Speed N Sound) they'd build a motor, throw it on the dyno, it breaks. The owner releases them of any problems or mishaps when they throw it in the dyno for testing. So they're usually screwed out of money and go back to building. Now, I'm sure other shops do it differently, that's just how it is here.

 

[TSimage]

That figure is low if he paid labor to put the car together I can tell you not including broken parts or upgrades of replaced parts my car has 45k+ in hard parts including the price of the shell (that only being 2k). Small stuff adds up fast and you don't even realize how much you have spent til you add up receipts.

I'm running down my parts list and still don't see it...

Unless someone was made the fool and bought every damn part at the very most expensive part with no shopping around involved then it would be up there. That price becomes more feasible to me if he has paid for every dollar of labor since the car was built and or change, tuned, dyno'd, etc etc... Hard parts alone, I don't see it.

And if that is really how much we have in our cars I don't even want someone to prove me wrong and make me sick to my stomach.

Regardless this will be a good season. I called it 2 years ago after everyone and their grandmother was going with top mounts that everyone was going to jump on the forwardfacing bandwagon. I can't wait to show off mine after the commotion dies down. Us guys with street cars don't have the luxury of hacking up our front ends and losing head lights. Joes the man... Some secrets are better left for the appropriate time.

 

[JohnTSI]

You don't want me to break it down for you I have the receipts list. But everything on my car is new or upgraded. I didn't believe it either until Reichen pointed it out.

 

[TSimage]

You don't want me to break it down for you I have the receipts list. But everything on my car is new or upgraded. I didn't believe it either until Reichen pointed it out.

Ok then... We'll leave it at that.

I don't need to worsen my mood into dumping more cash into that "shelf" I have in my garage that I use to hold and store stuff on..

 

[LucasEnglish]

Absolute BS all we did was add a 2step for launch vs a switch instead of VSS. That is it..... Every time the car goes to low elevation it has been hurt, but with no log or any way for me to tune or fix the problem it will just keep happening. While I know the TPS could have been the problem the other is I know he adds timing with the cam sensor at his home track 3000ft and it picks up. But the added timing at low elevation may be a no go. But way to know what is going on who knows.

They all watched me add the 2 step and the copy of the tune that is on the car is the one it broke on and they have there own copy of the old tune.

So there is Absolutely noting I did to the tune that should have been different then before.

This car was not on the Dyno and had many changes done that needed retuning.

Im just going to put my .02 in and stay out of it.
- First, I believe Trevor and I agreed on this point last night at the race but for Lucas to do something to the car to hurt it, is not really going to happen, reason being, at the end of the day Trevors car is a FAST car with the English Racing name on the car, it would only help Lucas and his business (you know that thing that pays his bills and feeds his family) if the car went and stayed going fast.
- Second, this is a race car. Bad stuff hapens all the time. Again, something Trevor and I had talked about last night. I should know bad stuff happens, more then most with my old car!!
- Lastly and most important. Everyone is out there to have fun and just do what they like to do. Sure theres going to be stuff that gets said and little things done (usually on the forums), but in the grand scheme of things does it really matter.
Thats what I have to say about that.

 

[LucasEnglish]

The Car was at the Drag strip when it broke. It was on its 1st pass which was a 9.1@126 letting off just after the 1/8th. It had ran a 5.7@120+ mph in the 1/8th. If it would have not broke it would have been a easy 8sec pass.

 

[hp_92dsm]

This is Trevor with the black Talon. I wish everybody would quite beating on luke. Luke has been a freind of mine since 2004. I have never blamed anybody for my mistakes. ER has helped with a lot of questions i have had in the past. And we have had problems with this AEM log in. So everybody needs to lay off Luke this is my car my fault my decissions. And by the way this is my first time ever reading this post or have post. Uh Oh watch out Jeff i'm coming back!! And my best time was 9.05 @ 154 and i went 9.15 @126 in yakimha Wa.

 

[91stocker]

The Car was at the Drag strip when it broke. It was on its 1st pass which was a 9.1@126 letting off just after the 1/8th. It had ran a 5.7@120+ mph in the 1/8th. If it would have not broke it would have been a easy 8sec pass.

Cant be mad at that. Almost an 8 sec car off the trailor

No logger? WTF I wouldnt drive my 14b car till had the logger on it.

 

[eclipsed4seed99]

This is Trevor with the black Talon. I wish everybody would quite beating on luke. Luke has been a freind of mine since 2004. I have never blamed anybody for my mistakes. ER has helped with a lot of questions i have had in the past. And we have had problems with this AEM log in. So everybody needs to lay off Luke this is my car my fault my decissions. And by the way this is my first time ever reading this post or have post. Uh Oh watch out Jeff i'm coming back!! And my best time was 9.05 @ 154 and i went 9.15 @126 in yakimha Wa.

Trevor I always count on you being back, You should have stuck around for the grudge race I had with the pro Mod crotch rocket, Even with the horrible track conditions I managed to take him down with a 8.6.

Although my fuel pump may be dying we had to add in almost 20% more fuel just to get my car to run 12.9's afr, The air was thin that night, I got lucky on my first pass with 13.6's afr at 40 psi. This is why I never go out to knock a home run on the first pass.

 

[blkgst97]

Trevor I always count on you being back, You should have stuck around for the grudge race I had with the pro Mod crotch rocket, Even with the horrible track conditions I managed to take him down with a 8.6.

Although my fuel pump may be dying we had to add in almost 20% more fuel just to get my car to run 12.9's afr, The air was thin that night, I got lucky on my first pass with 13.6's afr at 40 psi. This is why I never go out to knock a home run on the first pass.

I was there for that grudge race You have one badass talon! Awesome getting to watch it run in person.

 

[Colt90tsi]

Trevor I always count on you being back, You should have stuck around for the grudge race I had with the pro Mod crotch rocket, Even with the horrible track conditions I managed to take him down with a 8.6.

Although my fuel pump may be dying we had to add in almost 20% more fuel just to get my car to run 12.9's afr, The air was thin that night, I got lucky on my first pass with 13.6's afr at 40 psi. This is why I never go out to knock a home run on the first pass.

I have it on video, that race was freakin awesome!! I also won 5 dollars on that race from some random guy that walked up saying how the bike was going to destroy the talon haha awesome!

The car was haulin ass no doubt. I really wanted to see a rematch between the KS ek civic hatch and the 1g auto!

 

[eclipsed4seed99]

The KS car under those conditions wasnt gonna be much of a race, but when there's prep he always pretty darn fast.

 

[danl]

Maybe you should know the WHOLE situation before you say the things your saying. I dont know if it was a TPS plug. I chose to remove my comment cause i chose to and thats that. But thanks again for your input.

I don't think you know the whole situation, not even half, perhaps less than 1%. By the looks of it you owe Lucas and apology. Be a man and put it in a public thread just like you tried to slander his shop in a public thread.

 

[TurboAnything]

I can not believe how this thread has gone down. When you are making that kind of power anything little can cause a complete meltdown. Keith Kinowski's 2g has blown 2 motors about 7 headgaskets and 3 transmissions in less then 2 years. And that car was tuned by a good friend of his Devin Schultz. Does this mean Devin sabotaged his car NO it means at 1000hp plus the cars do not hold together well. And by the way Keith's problems have been 80% AEM EMS related that box just keep dropping signals and giving problems even after being replaced with the series II it is still giving issues and AEM can not explain it.

 

[danl]

Unbelievable.

 

[rhamlinii]

Unbelievable.

, you guys as a whole are funny. Slander is a MF, do you ever read those post on yahoo or any of the search threads? Just becasue I run business I always look at customer complmeant for the people I choose to do business with. English racing business or Reputation, is not and can not be harmed by this guy.

 

[NDgsx]

Someone I know called the AEM right when he called it "Another Engine Mishap". They work most of the time sure, but sometimes (never when you want it) they blink. Timing ends up doubled, AFR goes wacky, it stops logging, etc. When they work though they work as evidenced by Jeff's car. When his TPS failed though his car wouldnt shift right and had some other odd issues. The White Evo likes to split blocks when the cam sensor and AEM decide to time their failures.

I talked to Trevor about 30 min before this happened (I was looking at the new setup) and one of the first things he said "I dont want any internet drama, thats not what I am about". I agree and feel bad about anything I did to specifically encourage internet drama.

TSImage- That was me posting on Lucas' account earlier. Though it seems to have been cleared up, initial build (which Jeff did pay for out of pocket), and maintenance definitely gets nuts fast as far as budget. Things like 10k in broken manual trannies (including a Liberty dogbox), 10k in broken autos and converters before our current builder came into the game, 5k in clutch rebuilds, 3 aluminum rod motors (one full retail then the next 2 in parts), machine work, Felpro headgaskets, more heads than I can recall, cage being gone through twice, wiring harnesses, turbos, fuel pumps, brakes, etc.

The thing is time (which is mostly free) from both Jeff and the crew is intense.

Its all good as I see we are on the same side

 

[juvi1624]

Someone I know called the AEM right when he called it "Another Engine Mishap". They work most of the time sure, but sometimes (never when you want it) they blink. Timing ends up doubled, AFR goes wacky, it stops logging, etc. When they work though they work as evidenced by Jeff's car. When his TPS failed though his car wouldnt shift right and had some other odd issues. The White Evo likes to split blocks when the cam sensor and AEM decide to time their failures.

I talked to Trevor about 30 min before this happened (I was looking at the new setup) and one of the first things he said "I dont want any internet drama, thats not what I am about". I agree and feel bad about anything I did to specifically encourage internet drama.

TSImage- That was me posting on Lucas' account earlier. Though it seems to have been cleared up, initial build (which Jeff did pay for out of pocket), and maintenance definitely gets nuts fast as far as budget. Things like 10k in broken manual trannies (including a Liberty dogbox), 10k in broken autos and converters before our current builder came into the game, 5k in clutch rebuilds, 3 aluminum rod motors (one full retail then the next 2 in parts), machine work, Felpro headgaskets, more heads than I can recall, cage being gone through twice, wiring harnesses, turbos, fuel pumps, brakes, etc.

The thing is time (which is mostly free) from both Jeff and the crew is intense.

Its all good as I see we are on the same side

What did you guys think of the liberty gearbox? Did it hold up well before it broke? A couple honda friends of mine swear by them and they both run 8's with them. And about AEM EMS's, it seems to me the AEM's are a great stand alone for the street, but they don't appear to be the best option if your building one of these monster drag cars. Motec seems to be becoming the popular choice around here.

 

[slowgsr]

EMS systems do not know what application they're used in. If they experience glitches or problems it's not due to the application, I have never had a hiccup with my AEM box. However they are sensitive electronics and should be treated as such, often people like to point figures where other things are to blame....... Sometimes it would be nice if I had more 0-5v inputs or switched inputs, but that's not the boxes fault

 

[c_king333]

This is Trevor with the black Talon. I wish everybody would quite beating on luke. Luke has been a freind of mine since 2004. I have never blamed anybody for my mistakes. ER has helped with a lot of questions i have had in the past. And we have had problems with this AEM log in. So everybody needs to lay off Luke this is my car my fault my decissions. And by the way this is my first time ever reading this post or have post. Uh Oh watch out Jeff i'm coming back!! And my best time was 9.05 @ 154 and i went 9.15 @126 in yakimha Wa.

Check your PM's please.

 

[LucasEnglish]

The TPS fail is not foresure just an idea since the trans did shift 2nd at he launch when he 1st stalled.

I feel most of Trevor problems are making tuning changes with out good feed back.

What I think has been happening is we tune on my Dyno Sea level. He takes it home 3000ft. The car is not running the times it should for the power. They then add timing via the cam sensor not using a lite and pull fuel turn up boost which is fine for the 3000ft. They still made the HG leak at 3000ft there tuning not mine. They then come down to 1000ft no changes. So they are now high timing,lean and more boost.

For those that want to hate ER it is easy to look at Trevor's car and say every time I am around it blows up, but that is because they only see me when we are at low elevation on there changes.

I have told Trevor if I am to ever touch the car again we need to take some better baby steps and make sure our 1st pass is low boost to made sure AF and Knock are looking good. Not just going for it.

I more then any one want Trevor car to run good and I think it even has the chance to beat Jeff someday if I get the time to truly spend time with the Tune at the track like I do on Jeffs car. Jeff should be scared of you car

I dont think there are to many tuners that could handle Trevor's style.

So while blaming the tuner is the easy way to go it is defiantly not the case here.

I have tuned many AEM's and have only ever seen one with a problem and that is Trevor's. It wont keep changes. The only way it will keep changes is I have to save the tune and then load it as a new calibration and the internal data logging has never worked right. Trevor has picked up a new AEM so I hope these problems are taken care of so we can get true track data and make the right tuning adj.

 

[eclipsed4seed99]

Right now Trevor is doing what he does best, working non stop to get this car running for another round for this weekend, There's TnT on sat night in Sacramento Trev.... just saying

 

[TSimage]

When are you guys getting into town?