14b turbo question on my 95 tsi awd

[VegasTSI]

Alright, I want to go with a b16g turbo of course , but I want to do a lot of mods at the same time and to save on cash I was going to put a 14b turbo in place of my t25 that came stock on this 1995 Talon TSI AWD I just picked up. The turbo seems to be ready for replacment , that is why I want to just put a cheaper replacment on it for the time beeing , car has 112,000 miles on it , got it from the original owner (old lady) and the car is bone stock , but when she was done driving it she never let it run , and im pretty sure turbo = done .

So my question here is if I get the 14b turbo will I notice any performance upgrade, what kind of boost can it handle, will I need the 2g install kit for the turbo, and will the b16g bolt right on when I get it.

And what is the main difference between the t25 and 14b?

I am replacing the manifold with a header type manifold with the td05h flange. also doing the greddy intercooler piping w/ bov and replacing the stock smic with a bigger smic, new metal intake with k&n cone filter, also putting a boost/air fuel gauge, 3'' downpipe, 3'' catback, and replacing my head gaskets, also with any other gaskets I take off.

 

[fwdturbobov1996]

Alright, I want to go with a b16g turbo of course , but I want to do a lot of mods at the same time and to save on cash I was going to put a 14b turbo in place of my t25 that came stock on this 1995 Talon TSI AWD I just picked up. The turbo seems to be ready for replacment , that is why I want to just put a cheaper replacment on it for the time beeing , car has 112,000 miles on it , got it from the original owner (old lady) and the car is bone stock , but when she was done driving it she never let it run , and im pretty sure turbo = done .

So my question here is if I get the 14b turbo will I notice any performance upgrade, what kind of boost can it handle, will I need the 2g install kit for the turbo, and will the b16g bolt right on when I get it.

And what is the main difference between the t25 and 14b?

I am replacing the manifold with a header type manifold with the td05h flange. also doing the greddy intercooler piping w/ bov and replacing the stock smic with a bigger smic, new metal intake with k&n cone filter, also putting a boost/air fuel gauge, 3'' downpipe, 3'' catback, and replacing my head gaskets, also with any other gaskets I take off.

tdo5h has nothing to do with the flange. Its a mitsubishi flange and will bolt onto any mitsu turbo. tdo5h is the wheel thats in it. A b16g will bolt up right in place of the 14b. Yes you will need a 2g install kit for the j-pipe, gaskets, oil,water lines, etc. You shouldnt be taking off your head so you dont need to replace the headgasket, thinking your talking about the exhaust manifold gasket. You will notice a diff in the 14b, slower spool up but alot more top end. 14b is alot better than the t-2small. The main difference between the turbos. Visually or performance wise? visually the 14b is bigger, has a j-pipe, wastegate actuator is on the other side. Performance, more top end and power,little slower spool up.

 

[VegasTSI]

I want to replace the head gasket because of oil seaping out of head bolts.

and what kind of psi can the 14b hold safly?

 

[spidy3]

with supporting mods i think 17psi is a good number for the 14b. some people have run it up to 20psi daily. I'd also suggest doing a fuel pump rewire. I dont know how good the injectors, ect.. are on a 2g so someone else will have to chime in with what the exact "supporting mods" would be to support the psi increase.


Dom

 

[fwdturbobov1996]

with supporting mods i think 17psi is a good number for the 14b. some people have run it up to 20psi daily. I'd also suggest doing a fuel pump rewire. I dont know how good the injectors, ect.. are on a 2g so someone else will have to chime in with what the exact "supporting mods" would be to support the psi increase.


Dom

Well on my s16g and 15 lbs Id hit fuel cut on stock injectors. So anywhere around there he will hit fuel cut. 550's would be good, but need something to tune with.

 

[Spaniel1287]

I also was looking into upgrading my T-2small to the 14b. I have everything purchased and laying around. A good think you'll need to get to install the 14b on your 2g is this:

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17009&cat=426&page=1

That is what i bought to put it on my 95 TSi. I also was wondering what to set the pressure at on the 14b once I get it installed. My mods so far without the 14b on are:

Intake
UICP
1g BOV
3" Downpipe
3" Catback
Walbro 190 Fuel Pump
Joe P MBC

I'm still using the stock injectors due to the fact I dont have enough money to buy new injectors and a SAFC. But on the stock 2g Injectors, what PSI level should i set the 14b at?

 

[xveganxcowboyx]

Why do you think the stock turbo is shot? Have you checked shaft play?

If it's allright I'd just hold on to it until you can get the 16G. No sense shelling out $150 if you don't need it.

 

[I_eat_DSM's]

You can set the 14b for around 16-17psi and be perfectly fine with the 190 and stock injectors. I would personally recommend buying a datalogger before you buy anything else because it's irreplaceable when it comes to watching for knock and not blowing up your motor!

 

[negativezero27]

psssh, i would just get a j-pipe and a ss oil line. maybe some new gaskets depending on how bad they are. then you will save some $$$$!!!

 

[95_4G63T]

I am about to do the same install and I have a question. I've already purchased a SS feed line, but I'm confused about the return line. Should I buy a return line from a 1G? I'm assuming the answer is yes, but I just wanted to be sure before I go ahead and spend the money on one.

 

[I_eat_DSM's]

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/2g16ginstallkit.htm

That page makes the think that you could file the bolt holes on your current drain line and use it for the 14b also.

 

[Spaniel1287]

Wow that kit is way too expensive. Just get this one, like im getting for my 14b to put on my 2g, and it wont cost that much. Includes everything you need.

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17009&cat=426&page=1

 

[talontsi02]

I am about to do the same install and I have a question. I've already purchased a SS feed line, but I'm confused about the return line. Should I buy a return line from a 1G? I'm assuming the answer is yes, but I just wanted to be sure before I go ahead and spend the money on one.

i JUST put a 14b on my 2g and all i bought was ss oil feed line and the stock jpipe for it. it bolts right on to the mani/o2 housing. i used all the water lines off of my t25 and they required some bending (small tweaks here and there by hand) and the stock (t25) oil return line bolt holes need to be drilled in to match up to the 14b (took me 10min with a 5yr old drill bit). the biggest hassle i had with the entire swap was the lower intercooler piping because im poor and cant afford to buy the kit for it if anyone has questions about the swap let me know.

 

[95_4G63T]

i JUST put a 14b on my 2g and all i bought was ss oil feed line and the stock jpipe for it. it bolts right on to the mani/o2 housing. i used all the water lines off of my t25 and they required some bending (small tweaks here and there by hand) and the stock (t25) oil return line bolt holes need to be drilled in to match up to the 14b (took me 10min with a 5yr old drill bit). the biggest hassle i had with the entire swap was the lower intercooler piping because im poor and cant afford to buy the kit for it if anyone has questions about the swap let me know.

Ok, thanks for the info. I'll just drill out the holes then. Luckily I have an aftermarket J Pipe, which I guess is a good amount longer than the stock pipe. I guess that'll make it a little easier for me when it comes to the lower intercooler pipe. I should be doing the swap in a week or two so I'll definitely PM you if I have any issues. Thanks.

 

[talontsi02]

no problem and good luck. you will be very pleased with the swap, the 14b pulls a hell of a lot harder then the little t25.

 

[Spaniel1287]

So let me get this straight, the J pipe is the only pipe u need to do the lower intercooler piping from the 14b to the intercooler?

 

[MrBoxx]

No. You'll need an L-pipe and another coupler. It goes Turbo>J-Pipe>Coupler>L-pipe to the intercooler>Coupler>Intercooler (stock location). Have fun with the 14b; it's soo much better than the T25.

 

[VegasTSI]

no problem and good luck. you will be very pleased with the swap, the 14b pulls a hell of a lot harder then the little t25.

I will be hitting u up when I do my 14b swap. So you can notice a pretty nice hp gain over the t25? And what kind of boost is it running with stock wastegate?

And what other kind of mods do you have done if any

 

[MrBoxx]

If you're running the stock BCS you'll probably hit about 8-10 psi on the 14b. You'll need an MBC or EBC to get more.

 

[WrXeater]

i just did a 14b install on my 2g but i no longer use the stock LICP instead i made a very cheap and effective replacement that fits well...i just used a $1.99 long 90 degree plastic pipe from home depot, a $5 piece of 2.5 by 8 inch mandrell bend from a local muffler shop, 2 2.5 inch couplers ($2.99 a piece) and one 2.5 inch to 2 inch reducer (2.99 also) message me if u want some pics....way more effective then the stock licp and only cost 15 bucks to piece together (minus the j-pipe)

 

[Gee-Es-Tee]

I'm about to do the 14b install as well. I said "ffkkk the install kit" and I have been piecing everything together in order for it to work. Right now I'm looking for a J-pipe. That's all I need. I hear the 14b is a great "backyard mod" so... we'll see. I even polished it and stuff to match my Injen intake! I can't wait to see it all together.

 

[VegasTSI]

well , I was wanting to do the 14b but I just scored a EvoIII b16g for $150 shipped off of ebay , recieved it and it is in perfect condition , no shaft play, I am stocked. But I still need to do the install of course, so any helpfull information would be very much appreciated by me and anyone else looking to do a 14b/16g upgrade

thanks

 

[gridlyne]

car has 112,000 miles on it , got it from the original owner (old lady) and the car is bone stock , but when she was done driving it she never let it run , and im pretty sure turbo = done

OK Im, sorry for getting off topic but:

I could NEVER understand why these little old ladies buy sports cars?! Does it make them feel younger or something?! Wth?

 

[mgcook]

so i take it on a 2g, you can run stock injectors and a 190 fuel pump; up to 17psi?

 

[I_eat_DSM's]

On the T-25 yes.