14b, 16g, or T28 turbo?

[wimploki]

Just browsing ebay and found this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...tegoryZ33742QQihZ014QQitemZ330093880635QQrdZ1

1. He claims that it's a "A GENUINE TDO5H MHI MITSUBISHI 16G TURBO FROM SLOWBOY RACING." What confuses me is that why would it use a 14b exhaust housing?

2. And if your read further regarding his description, he states that it's a T28 Turbo! - "THIS T28 MHI TURBO IS KNOWN FOR FAST SPOOLING AND YOU CAN RUN IT AT 20 LBS OF BOOST ALL DAY LONG" WTF

3. He now claims that it is in fact a stock 14b compressor housing, but it actually has a 16G compressor wheel blades.

I think that it's possible to use a 16G compressor wheel blade on a 14b w/ minor upgrades to the inner housing. However, why would he not post a compressor housing side showing the compressor wheel blades?

Just a heads up...make sure to double check and ask a few questions before purchasing something on ebay.

Hope i don't end up getting flamed for this.

 

[DRated]

Ok, i'll say it before others say it... which i've heard time and time again... "Don't buy turbos off Ebay".

Pretty much, this guy doesn't know what kind of turbo this is or he does know and is trying to pull the wool over on someone.

Don't buy it...

 

[JayRolla]

Link dont work for me but yea I would stay away. The t28 looks like a stock 2g turbo and I think it does have 16g wheels. The evo16g looks like a stock 1g turbo because is does indeed use a tdo5 housing which is on a 14b.

 

[No_Skillz]

You don't have to stay away from e-bay turbos as some people have had success with them. But DO stay away from people who don't know what they're selling.

 

[romeen]

You don't have to stay away from e-bay turbos as some people have had success with them. But DO stay away from people who don't know what they're selling.

Agreed. Not all turbos on ebay are junk. However this guy either has very little idea of what he is talking about or he is trying to swindle someone.....I think both. And the whole painting it to match the color of the car, I just don't buy it. More likely to cover up dings like the dent in the WGA diaphragm housing.

 

[wimploki]

Here's another one that's misleading as well.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ecli...320087515161QQihZ011QQitemZ320087515161QQrdZ1

The compressor housing serial number does fit the description (small 16G), but the compressor wheel blades is off of a 14b Turbo!

 

[Semprini]

Shit, if it stay around $20 buy it

 

[JayRolla]

Here's another one that's misleading as well.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ecli...320087515161QQihZ011QQitemZ320087515161QQrdZ1

The compressor housing serial number does fit the description (small 16G), but the compressor wheel blades is off of a 14b Turbo!

Yes you are correct that is a 14b. The 16g's have double blades and they are larger.

 

[wimploki]

I sent the seller a simple question and this is the response i get.

My question:

"I can see that the exhaust housing is off of a 14b. What boggles me is that the compressor housing is off of a 14b as well. Hmm, have you got any pictures of the compressor wheel? Please post a picture of the compressor housing side showing the wheels."

His answer:

"the hosing for a 16g and 14b are the same, the difference is the internals such as the compressor wheel, you dont start to change hosings untill you get into the big evo III ask any mechanic they will tell you, i know because i am an ASE certified mechanic myself"

Can someone verify this? I believe that the bottom side of a 16G compressor wheel is tapared/angled and not flat like a 14b wheel. Plus it might require honing of the 14b inner housing for it to fit.

He also updated his ebay info.

"I got a question earlier, saying, asking, that the hosing on the turbo is the smae as the 14b, the small 16g and big 16g hosings are pretty much the same depending on the comapny making them, this is a genuine MHI meaning Mitsubishi turbo made by them, the housing doesnt start to change neither does the size of the turbo untill you get into the evo series. or the big 18, or 20g vtrim. between the 14b and 16g the only things they change are the compressor wheel, the degree of the flanges on the wheel and the lenght and height. they also change the bearings and stuff like that too. just wanted to let everyone know so you know its not a rip off email me with any questions please thanks and if you have any doubts go to www.slowboyracing.com, clock on tubos and mitsubishi click on the 16g turbo and it will even tell you it has the factory housing but bigger internals so you can pull off that look of a factory turbo, and is proven to fool many when you pull up on race day!!!!"

This guy makes me laugh.

 

[adiffrentcity]

There is a thread on the vfaq about turbo rebuilds/upgrades

http://vfaq.com/mods/Turbo-rebuild.html

You're right about the bottom being tapered but I think you can keep the housing. The stuff you posted above makes it seem this guy is not as smart as he thinks he is, but he might not be lying throughhis teeth. Check out that vfaq, lots of good pics and if this guy will post pics of the wheel then you can use them for comparison.

 

[jking29]

Just browsing ebay and found this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DSM-...tegoryZ33742QQihZ014QQitemZ330093880635QQrdZ1

1. He claims that it's a "A GENUINE TDO5H MHI MITSUBISHI 16G TURBO FROM SLOWBOY RACING." What confuses me is that why would it use a 14b exhaust housing?

2. And if your read further regarding his description, he states that it's a T28 Turbo! - "THIS T28 MHI TURBO IS KNOWN FOR FAST SPOOLING AND YOU CAN RUN IT AT 20 LBS OF BOOST ALL DAY LONG" WTF

3. He now claims that it is in fact a stock 14b compressor housing, but it actually has a 16G compressor wheel blades.

I think that it's possible to use a 16G compressor wheel blade on a 14b w/ minor upgrades to the inner housing. However, why would he not post a compressor housing side showing the compressor wheel blades?

Just a heads up...make sure to double check and ask a few questions before purchasing something on ebay.

Hope i don't end up getting flamed for this.

He has a very small picture of the compressor wheel in the ad. It is definitely not a 16g, but a good old 14b. There is so much misinformation in that ad, that I would never buy anything from him.

 

[GinNBoost]

If you have to ask questions about an Ebay turbo, then you know you shouldn't buy it.

 

[JayRolla]

Even the evo turbo use's a td05 housing and yes he has a 14b also.

 

[wimploki]

I'm not out to buy a 14b turbo off of ebay. I was just browsing.

He finally updated and added a picture of the compressor housing side showing the wheels, but it's WAY TOO small!. It's a bit obvious here that he's trying to hide it.

I copied the file...blew it up and it's no 16G compressor wheel or even near a T28 for that matter. It's nothin' but a stock 14b turbo.

I kinda feel sorry for the first 2 bidders.

 

[sd_ff22]

wow I just lookied at it and its up to 8 bidders and $112.xx!!!
we should email the bidders and tell them its a scam.

 

[sd_ff22]

never mind.
I did it
I sent this to the 2 guys who are fighting for this "super high quality" 14B

"that turbo you are bidding on is in fact a 14B. take it from someone who knows. I hope you don't win it.
this is being discussed by the specialists right now.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=151139379&posted=1#post151139379 "

then I wrote to him

"Thats a 14B.
you can tell by the compressor blades.
16g blades alternate hieght. 14b blades are all the same hieght.
Its Basic turbo Identification."

everyone is entitled to thier buisness but Ripping people off sucks big time.
DON"T RIP PEOPLE OFF!

 

[wimploki]

I did try to warn a fellow ebayer (buffy_f4n), but decided to rat on me. He did however acted wisely by halting his bids (# 2 on bid list).

My heads up to buffy_f4n:

Hey there fellow ebayer~ i'm also checkin' out the 16G item on ebay that looks like a 14B from the compressor housing side and exhaust side. Before you bid any higher, please consider asking the seller a picture of the compressor side wheel itself. I have asked this and have yet to get a response.
Just to give you a heads up.

If you check out the ebay page somewhere in the middle regarding question and answers...you will see this

Q: Just fyi...just got this from another ebayer regarding your auction. Hey there fellowebayer~ i'm also checkin' out the 16G item on ebay that looks like a 14B from the compressor housing side and exhaust side. Before you bid any higher, please consider asking the seller a picture of the compressor side wheel itself. I have asked this and have yet to get a response. Just to give you a heads up.
Mar-01-07

A: i dont know whats going on i got a message from that guy earlier and what he doesnt get is, on the stock eclipse,talon,laser and all that stuff, yes they use the 14b turbo. A 16G turbo and a 14B turbo has the same housing, they look exactly the same, if you dont believe me pleaee check out slowboyracing.com i am a ase mechanic for eclipses, they dont start to change the hosing shapes, or size untill you upgrade to the big 16G evo series such as the evo III or eco 8 or go even bigger to the 18g or the 20g vtrim. i dont get what they problem is. the internals are different in the 14b and 16g but the only difference is the wheels, the 14b has a smaller compressor wheel with a less agressive blade than the 16g, if you read in the description i got this turbo directly from slowboy and it was sent to ffwd connection for interal modifications. on the 16g the compressor wheel is bigger, and the blades are more agressive, and on this one the blades are the same, except i have had them machined thinner (doesnt hurt power) in fact improves it because that creates a lighter compressor wheel allowing to to spin alot easier and freely thanks for the head up

Here's the funny part- "i am a ase mechanic for eclipses, they dont start to change the hosing shapes, or size "

If you were to actually compare a 16g and a 14b housing, 16g compressor inlet housing is a bit bigger/wider. why? to compensate for the tapared 16g wheel! I sure hope that the 16g wheel he claims thats inside the 14b compressor housing is honed on the inside for proper fitting.

OKAY? who gives a flyin' hoot if your an ase mechanic for eclipses!!! Most mechanics working for satan hardly has any idea about how a 4G63T engine lives and breaths. I'm sure someone here on tuners has had nothing but bad experiences w/ SATANSHIP.

I sent an email to slowboyracing and here's what they had to say:

This turbo is not a T28, or a 16G for that matter.
It is a factory 14B judging by the pictures,

Sales
Slowboy Racing, Inc.

My email:

"Dear Slowboyracing,

I know that it's kinda out of your way for me to ask this question, but i/we as consumers would greatly appreciate it (previous customer in the past) if you could provide me w/ some insight on the product claiming your name brand and being sold on ebay.

There 's an ad on ebay that claims that it was built by your company (slowboyracing). I trust your product and would like to know if there's any legitimacy regarding this item being sold on ebay. I know that you stand by your product and quality worksmanship.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...E:L:RTQ:US:1&viewitem=&item=330093880635&rd=1

Your customer satisfaction and patience is greatly appreciated.

Thank you"

 

[wimploki]

! Good job there!

Both high bidders decided to retract their bids. It's now back down to $41.

wow I just lookied at it and its up to 8 bidders and $112.xx!!!
we should email the bidders and tell them its a scam.

 

[pooker]

Good job guys it seems though as the sellers still believes its a 16g though. Keep up the good work.

 

[sd_ff22]

I agree, good job guys. anybody think the link to this discussion helped any??

oh and in short to the seller of this item...
BWAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[sd_ff22]

wimploki you should send the url for this thread to the guy that ratted you out (buffy_f4n).
plus the link to the turbo ID page. it really is very easy to tell the difference.

 

[sd_ff22]

OMFG guys!!!
he just wrote this back to me!!!

"no its a 16g i bought it frol slowboy racing and yes i know it has the 12 blade compressor and you cant tell from the pictures but i took the tubo apart, and machined a 12 blade wheel similar to the 14b but the blades are all the same height, when i machines my new wheel i mad ethe blades 1/16th of an inch farther apart and machined them down 1/32 of an inch thinner manking a lighter wheel that catches more air"

Uh,
Grammar?

why would anyone buy something from SBR and then ?MAKE? Thier own compressor wheel????

 

[sd_ff22]

First of all, No I don't have anything better to do than harass this guy.
second, look what he added to his ebay page?!

"On Mar-02-07 at 12:28:44 PST, seller added the following information:
hi again, i am getting alto of questions on this item as i though it would and i am getting mroe quesitons than needed so i am going to post this on the listing page because i know it will answer your question, this turbo is a 16g from slowboy. when i got the turbo, i tore it apat, and tested the 16g wheel against the 14b in my machine shop turned out that the 14b wheel would flow more are than even the 16g if you more some modifications to it, but the 14b has a better over all design than the 16g. so what i did was i machined my own compressor wheel with the cncs at work. i used the design of the 14b, because with redcued weight, and more of a gap between blades it would make for a more effective pocket for air, it would greatly increase the airflow. this wheel weights almost 1/41 th of the weight of the 16g. so i took a piece of steel alloy, machined it with an increased gap of 1/16th of an inch. then i machgined the actual blade width doen 1/32 of an inch, the side lenght of the blade is still the same but the actual volume of the blade is 1/32 less on each blade this turbo is gaurenteed to work i had it on my car and ran 17-25 lbs all day no problem if you install this turbo and it breaks i will give you your money back !! GAURENTEED thanks alot"


This is too Fun.
DRated said it best "Don't buy turbos off Ebay".

 

[sleeper98GST]

"On Mar-02-07 at 12:28:44 PST, seller added the following information:
hi again, i am getting alto of questions on this item as i though it would and i am getting mroe quesitons than needed so i am going to post this on the listing page because i know it will answer your question, this turbo is a 16g from slowboy. when i got the turbo, i tore it apat, and tested the 16g wheel against the 14b in my machine shop turned out that the 14b wheel would flow more are than even the 16g if you more some modifications to it, but the 14b has a better over all design than the 16g. so what i did was i machined my own compressor wheel with the cncs at work. i used the design of the 14b, because with redcued weight, and more of a gap between blades it would make for a more effective pocket for air, it would greatly increase the airflow. this wheel weights almost 1/41 th of the weight of the 16g. so i took a piece of steel alloy, machined it with an increased gap of 1/16th of an inch. then i machgined the actual blade width doen 1/32 of an inch, the side lenght of the blade is still the same but the actual volume of the blade is 1/32 less on each blade this turbo is gaurenteed to work i had it on my car and ran 17-25 lbs all day no problem if you install this turbo and it breaks i will give you your money back !! GAURENTEED thanks alot"

At least he has a gift for gab; of course, his terrible grammar makes this "paragraph" scream BS!

"flow more are" Just wow...

 

[wimploki]

Wow, This topic is really catching on. He should rename the title for his ebay item to:

Modified 16G Turbo by SBR to 14b looks w/ SUPER new comp wheel upgrade designed by me personally with an added mix of T28 Turbo.

Here's the thing...if he had already spent a certain amount of cash getting this poor turbo upgraded, why would he tamper w/ it again to his personal specs? Why not just upgrade it himself to begin w/ and save the hassle of paying SBR doing the previous work (i guess sbr experties on turbo upgrade was not enuff) and making a measly $100 profit tops off of ebay?
But wait!!! with the extra work done to this turbo...an unported 14b exhaust housing w/ it's original step should be sufice for the powerful app.

The whole description in the first place is misleading! Is it a 16G, 14B, or T28? Wait! it's been built and modified by SlowboyRacing and modified personally by me due to poor craftsmanship of the original wheel.

No pictures of the compressor wheel, weird description and poor grammar. Now that it has an updated picture of the wheel, but it's too freagin' small!

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck...well you know where im getting.

hint: it's a 14b

OMFG guys!!!
he just worte this back to me!!!

"no its a 16g i bought it frol slowboy racing and yes i know it has the 12 blade compressor and you cant tell from the pictures but i took the tubo apart, and machined a 12 blade wheel similar to the 14b but the blades are all the same height, when i machines my new wheel i mad ethe blades 1/16th of an inch farther apart and machined them down 1/32 of an inch thinner manking a lighter wheel that catches more air"

Uh,
Grammar?

why would anyone buy something from SBR and then ?MAKE? Thier own compressor wheel????