10.5@130mph FP 68HTA 16G

[fran_drivertsi]

what did you see in terms of airflow from that HTA68? Did you get close to promised 47lbs/min?

 

[LucasEnglish]

Well I have never looked at lbs/min. I only care about power and 1/4mi times. The best I ever got out of the EVOIII was 10.6@125mph. The fact that this thing is now doing 130mph says its better then a EVOIII and that is all that matters to me.

 

[fran_drivertsi]

You did pick up 5mph in ET, so I suppose it does flow more air. I was just curious to see the actual numbers though.

 

[Nate Crisman]

You did pick up 5mph in ET, so I suppose it does flow more air. I was just curious to see the actual numbers though.

He also added 15% more engine displacement, added an intercooler, changed piping, and went with a very different fueling system and method. I'm sure the larger compressor wheel made some of that difference, but you can't just discount all the other changes and say the HTA wheel is 5mph better.


Lucas: are you still running the electric water pump that you spoke about in the 10.6@125 thread? I'd love to see more about this pump.

 

[BigBeans]

He also added 15% more engine displacement, added an intercooler, changed piping, and went with a very different fueling system and method. I'm sure the larger compressor wheel made some of that difference, but you can't just discount all the other changes and say the HTA wheel is 5mph better.

That's fair, but it's a reasonable assumption that this turbo flows more.

Lucas, do you happen to have some dyno numbers and race weight?

Edit: just saw the weight posted above.

 

[fran_drivertsi]

He also added 15% more engine displacement, added an intercooler, changed piping, and went with a very different fueling system and method. I'm sure the larger compressor wheel made some of that difference, but you can't just discount all the other changes and say the HTA wheel is 5mph better.

That is why I wanted to see the airflow numbers before everything else. Everyone is just so "shy" to disclose their numbers, it feels like certain people are afraid of being judged or something.

I want to see if that FP HTA68 turbo is actually creating claimed airflow. I am sure I am not the only one with the same question, and after long time waiting and searching, I am yet to find an answer.

 

[LucasEnglish]

I know the HTA is not worth a true 5mph. The car has really only picked up a constant 2 tenths so far. On the Dyno the car is only up 15-20hp more but I have not been able to max it out yet.

Most 16g cars are under 25psi by 7k and this one is holding 28psi to revlimt at 8k. I am shifting the car at 7k.

The car is on a Map sensor and I would never trust DSM link Air flow # way to many variables for it to ever be right.

 

[Grimis]

sick and even sicker is its auto, gives us A/T guys something to say, What about my a/t?? heheh, alsome man, now i need to get back to work

 

[Black_Bullet]

I know the HTA is not worth a true 5mph. The car has really only picked up a constant 2 tenths so far. On the Dyno the car is only up 15-20hp more but I have not been able to max it out yet.

Most 16g cars are under 25psi by 7k and this one is holding 28psi to revlimt at 8k. I am shifting the car at 7k.

The car is on a Map sensor and I would never trust DSM link Air flow # way to many variables for it to ever be right.

Are you running without a waste gate line or just with the mbc cranked all the way down? Closed external waste gate- my ported e316g spiked beyond 40psi and tapered to around 30 at 7k which quickly resulted in its death. Im curious of airflow numbers as well, Ive seen maxed out evo3 logs pulling 44lb/min. Also I dont think the stroker will change peak airflow too much when the turbo is the restriction? I believe the stroker just shifts the powerband to the left and gives more room to max out a midsized midrange turbo easier. Im also curious how this car would do with a FP exhaust manifold. Coming from a ported evo3 exhaust me, as well as a few other ppl I know had gains switching to the FP exhaust fwiw.

 

[E116]

that car is really fast but im wondering about airflow numbers too, if you dont want to tell them thats ok.

My main question is would you recommend this turbo over a E316G for the average dsmr keeping in mind that it is $400 more.

 

[LucasEnglish]

I dont see how I can get you any real air flow # from a map sensor. There is no way for me to get those # with out a air flow meter.

Right now the boost control is not cranked up at all compered to the EVOIII 16g car.

On a 40psi spike you may be able to get it to hold the boost higher but it will only spike like that on a low gear pull so once you are going through the gears it will be less at 7k then if you do a low roll with a huge spike.

 

[TSIfreek]

Lucas what kind of dyno HP do you see this turbo putting out in the future??

 

[LucasEnglish]

I wish I had it on a 5spd car to really know what it does. Right now at 25psi flat it did 408whp through the auto. We will see once the fuel system is done what it does.

Was about 390whp before on the EVOIII.

 

[Black_Bullet]

I dont see how I can get you any real air flow # from a map sensor. There is no way for me to get those # with out a air flow meter.

Right now the boost control is not cranked up at all compered to the EVOIII 16g car.

On a 40psi spike you may be able to get it to hold the boost higher but it will only spike like that on a low gear pull so once you are going through the gears it will be less at 7k then if you do a low roll with a huge spike.

I was going through the gears but it was 3rd gear that I took note of the boost in, 1st and 2nd went by too fast to try to watch the boost gauge, and I never used 4th or 5th with the boost way up like that. The boost gauge isnt off, the car has a 38mm ext. gate and I doubled up the w.g. springs for minimum boost level of 20psi, it had no waste gate line on it during those pulls...

 

[Car Cannibal]

Great numbers.
I wonder what track tires would do for that 60ft?

It looks like you're down on PSI vs the non-intercooled runs you made last time which makes sense. After reading all the things you've upgraded on the car, HTA68, 2.3L, Speed Density and it gained .2 tells me you need to ditch the FMIC again and go back to the Meth.

I bet it was a Walbro pump that crapped right?

Were you saying someones car made only 6hp more with E85 at 11-12 AF/R vs 12-12.5 or with gas?

 

[94awdcoupe]

you went from 2980 to 2850 while adding intercooler. what did you do for weight savings?

 

[constant_proj21]

Are you running an external wastegate? I'm still on the fence whether to go external, since I'm gonna be using a similar set up (ported evo III 16g), on e-85 (in a 5sp car), just wondering what you guys use. Trying to show up my 16g hater buddies at the track this year haha.

 

[LucasEnglish]

The car is still internal gate. Looks no different then a EVOIII 16g untill you pull the comp housing off. The 2980 is from when the car was 1st built. We pulled Door bars, rear seats, sound deadening, and misc brackets.

I did the Intercooler to make the car simple so any one can race it and not have to worry about filling tanks up or other meth related problems.

It was a relay that failed during the pass that lost the rod.

The car ran a 10.7 on waste gate line which is 18psi creeping to 25psi. I did not want to turn up the boost any more but having it low really hurts the launch. So I turned it up just enough to get the launch better so it was up to 28-29psi all the way down. So I am not sure how much it is cranked now.

You guy need to calm down and be happy with what i have done so far. I will get the fuel system done soon enough and let you know if there is any more in it. There may be there may not be. Who knows I sure dont.

Not sure how much the tires will help yet. I may have to do a bigger vacuum pump on the breaks to hold the car back at the line.

All I know is this is the most fun DSM I have ever owned and I am very happy my tech TJ decided to do the build in the 1st place.

Also the 2980 was with some tools in the car on a semi truck Scale that was in 50pound increments and the new weight I did on the scale at Sacramento Race way.

 

[constant_proj21]

You guys are doing great work. It's giving me the itch to get started on my 16g project. I'm planning on going with ecmlink lite (when it comes out), using speed density, and switching to e-fuel. Seeing what you guys are doing on a small frame turbo, is giving me high hopes haha.

Keep up the good work!!!

 

[LucasEnglish]

The Avg EVOIII 16g on E85 and all supporting mods does right at 390-400whp on a DynoJet. I would hope this turbo would do at least 430whp with the AVG combo.

Another reason for me trying this turbo is my combo. If I get something that spools any slower I would have to buy a restalled converter for the car.

A EvoIII on a 2.0 with enough time can get full boost at 3k. There is nothing else on the market that can spool and make the power as these 16g style turbos can.

 

[AlphaVision]

Now that's impressive. I am really happy to sead such things especially that I own a FP68HTA. 28 PSI at 7K... that's nice

 

[GDNF2ET]

Great job !! I bet that guy in the green Ford Fairlane was pissed !!
I'm hoping after I get some tranny issues taken care of, I can post some good numbers with my HTA68...
So far, I have the front mount, 950s, HKS cams, SMC meth kit, no stroker build but I have a re-stalled IPT and Hughes converter to try....
Is there any downside to going 2.3 on an auto car ? Did you HAVE to up the compression ?

 

[LucasEnglish]

I have never done a external WG 16g. I could see ware you could cause failure by keeping it cranked up that much. All I have ever really seen from cranked up 16g is way more TQ in the under 5k area. It seems if they are moded to hold much more then 25psi past 6k there is not much power gains for the extra stress on the turbo.


I just tuned a stock motor, FP2, E85,supporting mods 1g yesterday on a a EVOIII and I was able to get 402whp and 434TQ with a 33psi spike tapering to 23psi by 7k.

My motor that is in there is just STD Wisco pistons so its 9:0 comp.

 

[turbotalon1g]

this one is holding 28psi to revlimt at 8k. I am shifting the car at 7k.

Is this on the 2.3? If so that is insane.

 

[Black_Bullet]

I have never done a external WG 16g. I could see ware you could cause failure by keeping it cranked up that much. All I have ever really seen from cranked up 16g is way more TQ in the under 5k area. It seems if they are moded to hold much more then 25psi past 6k there is not much power gains for the extra stress on the turbo.


I just tuned a stock motor, FP2, E85,supporting mods 1g yesterday on a a EVOIII and I was able to get 402whp and 434TQ with a 33psi spike tapering to 23psi by 7k.

My motor that is in there is just STD Wisco pistons so its 9:0 comp.

Random question, but if you know, what does 9:0 compression show up in psi on a compression test?