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Kid Boost

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Mar 29, 2015
Orlando, Florida
Whats good everyone? Im thinking of switching up my turbo setup a bit. Ive had an 7 blade hx35 on the car with a bep .70a/r t3 housing on the car for years. The turbo said it has served its time and started leaking oil and smoking.
I got an aftermarket chra from a reputable company but as I fired up the car it started leaking oil out of the turbine housing where the housing and chra meets up and down my downpipe. I took it out and got a refund. I tried another hx35 that was possibly a reman one. I got the same outcome. I got all new fittings and made a new return line and I got a new feed line.
I did a compression test and a leak down test and everything is all good. I got the original turbo rebuilt and it started leaking just as before. I even ran a 2mm restrictor and it still leaked. I put on an old 60-1 from a family member just to see if it a turbo issue or engine issue. With the 60-1 with the same feed and return the smoking and oil coming out of the turbo stopped.
At this point im just gonna get a different turbo but was wondering what you guys think about these choices.....
1. Pte 5858 gen 1 journal bearing
2. Hpt F2 5862 ball bearing
3. Gtx3582r
Each turbo will be t3 with v band outlet.
All has a .63 and .82 a/r housings.
I loved the characteristics of the hx35 in the .70 a/r.
My setup is kelford 272 high lift, kiggly beehive spring and titanium retainers, bronze valve guides, evo 3 intake manifold, 1g throttle body, stock block with balance shafts deleted. Car is only ran on 93 and its really just a toy. Street/strip really and truly. Which would be a good choice between these 3 and which a/r?
 
None of those. I never recommend journal bearing turbos unless it's Borg Warner. You want a turbo in the 58-62mm range. Ball bearing. Borg Warner, Precision, even Pulsar are good choices. I would stay away from HPT for now. Garretts are fine as well but may be expensive. Get the .63 if you are staying on pump. There are also many other turbo companies out there other than the big 3. Look into what Forced Performance carries as well. FP Black would be perfect for you.
 
I vote HPT in a .82ar

Definitely not a journal bearing precision, they don’t jive with dsm’s. I ran a forced performance dsm82, Garrett 3582 ball bearing in a fp9cm bolt on housing, spooled plenty fast in that housing with small cams and stock intake/throttle body

And HPT turbos are built by one of the original founders of Precision Turbo, I’ve seen good results of their turbos on YouTube, I’d buy one, heck PTE turbos are proven too but there’s people who still bash them as well, I’ve even heard good things about Pulsar, I had a goal of 600hp. Copy and Pasted others setups and made 701whp corrected at altitude on a gen 2 6266 .82ar vband with s3’s, jmf intake, s90 throttle body. In my opinion spool up wasn’t bad at all, just pick a goal, and follow what others have done that works:thumb:
 
I was about to say the owner of HPT started precision turbo. I looked into the pulsar but saw they have coolant passages. I would rather not have to run coolant lines just because of how tight our bays are and its 1 more thing to worry about. If they can be ran without the coolant lines I'll try it out.

Holsets are journal bearing and are good but im guessing you said you wouldn't recommend journal bearings these days because of how far turbo technology has come?

Reason I picked those is because I already have everything to keep the car t3 and just install the turbo and make slight modifications if needed. Let's say I go with the hpt or hell a pulsar gtx3582r.....with my setup would I benefit more from the .63 or the .82? I know the .70 was perfect middle ground to where the turbo didn't come on way high in the powerband or was running out of breath in the higher rpms.

I did look at couple BW turbos but narrowed down to those.
 
Couple of guys up here have been running PSR turbos and they've been nothing but rock solid and well performing. A PSR 6062, 3071 or 3076 would be right in the ballpark on your setup.
 
I was about to say the owner of HPT started precision turbo. I looked into the pulsar but saw they have coolant passages. I would rather not have to run coolant lines just because of how tight our bays are and its 1 more thing to worry about. If they can be ran without the coolant lines I'll try it out.

Holsets are journal bearing and are good but im guessing you said you wouldn't recommend journal bearings these days because of how far turbo technology has come?

Reason I picked those is because I already have everything to keep the car t3 and just install the turbo and make slight modifications if needed. Let's say I go with the hpt or hell a pulsar gtx3582r.....with my setup would I benefit more from the .63 or the .82? I know the .70 was perfect middle ground to where the turbo didn't come on way high in the powerband or was running out of breath in the higher rpms.

I did look at couple BW turbos but narrowed down to those.
Just because they have coolant passages doesn't mean it's required. I've run a few turbos with the coolant ports capped off.
 
Appreciate all the feedback and help on this choice. I might just try the psr and see how it does.
Damn Jason now you got me looking at the 6062 LOL. If I go that route I guess im gonna have to go with the .63 a/r.
Being that the car is staying on 93 with the current setup and being a stock bottom end I dont plan on going max effort. If it makes 450hp im more than happy with it and and really dont want more than that for a fun street car.
 
Xona XRC5557S or even the XRC5357S if you're only trying to make 450. Either paired with the tial .64 A/R T3 turbine housing.

They're super efficient turbos. plus they're rated for constant use at their rated airflow. seriously robust and well engineered turbos.
 
If the setup worked for you, why change it? Get a rebuilt HX35 from JusMX, give it the proper oil drain pipe, and you’re back on the road.
 
Xona XRC5557S or even the XRC5357S if you're only trying to make 450. Either paired with the tial .64 A/R T3 turbine housing.

They're super efficient turbos. plus they're rated for constant use at their rated airflow. seriously robust and well engineered turbos.
Ill check them out. Appreciate the recommendation for sure. Being a pump gas car on a stock bottom end I really dont want no more than that. If it can make more im still gonna stop around there. Im about to stay at around 25psi. I got a set of rods and pistons for it but Im fine with 450hp limit with that car. Ive got another car building for twice that LOL.

If the setup worked for you, why change it? Get a rebuilt HX35 from JusMX, give it the proper oil drain pipe, and you’re back on the road.
Ive tried another melett core and it leaked on start up, I got a supposedly new one from someone online and it leaked the same, I got my original one rebuilt by a known good turbo builder and it did the same but smoked less. I ended bolting on a completely different turbo and the issue stopped. I guess the higher powers above is telling me its time to get with the times and get new technology LOL.
 
Ive tried another melett core and it leaked on start up, I got a supposedly new one from someone online and it leaked the same, I got my original one rebuilt by a known good turbo builder and it did the same but smoked less. I ended bolting on a completely different turbo and the issue stopped. I guess the higher powers above is telling me its time to get with the times and get new technology LOL.
Your problem honestly could be as simple as the oil drain, Holsets need a bigger oil drain or they’ll smoke. Lots of info on the subject on this forum. Morrison has a very good bolt-on solution to address it.
 
Your problem honestly could be as simple as the oil drain, Holsets need a bigger oil drain or they’ll smoke. Lots of info on the subject on this forum. Morrison has a very good bolt-on solution to address it.
My original holset has been on the car over 10 years no issues with the same combo. My car barely drives. It doesn't see rain or bad weather at all LOL. I replaced everything surrounding the turbo also. I did a leak down and compression test and everything passes.
 
Ill check them out. Appreciate the recommendation for sure. Being a pump gas car on a stock bottom end I really dont want no more than that. If it can make more im still gonna stop around there. Im about to stay at around 25psi. I got a set of rods and pistons for it but Im fine with 450hp limit with that car. Ive got another car building for twice that LOL.


Ive tried another melett core and it leaked on start up, I got a supposedly new one from someone online and it leaked the same, I got my original one rebuilt by a known good turbo builder and it did the same but smoked less. I ended bolting on a completely different turbo and the issue stopped. I guess the higher powers above is telling me its time to get with the times and get new technology LOL.
You don't happen to use RTV on any of the drain fittings do you?

There aren't really "seals" per say to go bad, if it's leaking on different cores, there's a problem elsewhere. A brand new turbo will leak oil if there's a restriction.
 
You don't happen to use RTV on any of the drain fittings do you?

There aren't really "seals" per say to go bad, if it's leaking on different cores, there's a problem elsewhere. A brand new turbo will leak oil if there's a restriction.
Nope. No RTV or anything of the sorts. We had my Melett chra and another turbo from them on a completely different platform do the exact thing that we sold so a customer at my job.
 
You don't happen to use RTV on any of the drain fittings do you?

There aren't really "seals" per say to go bad, if it's leaking on different cores, there's a problem elsewhere. A brand new turbo will leak oil if there's a restriction.
I know the "seals" are more like piston rings. With the 60-1 the problem went away though. I just felt like trying something else other than the holset right now. I just was seeing what would be close to the characteristics because I liked how it performed. I'm a diesel technician and have built cars before but I've been out of the scene for a bit so was seeing what you guys are using these days.
 
Well I pulled the trigger and got a psr6062e with the t3 .63 a/r housing. I should get in about a week or so hopefully. Now just to get the fp inline filter kit that feeds from the head and I should be running again. Its cool to see some guys answering that I've followed their builds on. Once again I appreciate the input from you guys.
 
Now just to get the fp inline filter kit that feeds from the head and I should be running again.
I was noticing last night that the PSR 6062E comes with a 0.9mm internal oil feed orifice which they tell you not to remove. That is 0.036 inches. So I thought, hmm, which FP turbo oil filter would I put in front of that? Not the .030" one, because it would make no sense to have an even smaller restrictor in front of it. I would think the 0.125" restrictor, the red one, that would be the one to use.

BTW I think you will like the .63 a/r turbine housing on that turbo for how you have stated your expectations. If you look at my setup (Specs & Photos page), it's a similar sized turbo, with a .63 a/r turbine housing, and I've been loving it for 10 years now.
 
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I was noticing last night that the PSR 6062E comes with a 0.9mm internal oil feed orifice which they tell you not to remove. That is 0.036 inches. So I thought, hmm, which FP turbo oil filter would I put in front of that? Not the .030" one, because it would make no sense to have an even smaller restrictor in front of it. I would think the 0.125" restrictor, the red one, that would be the one to use.

BTW I think you will like the .63 a/r turbine housing on that turbo for how you have stated your expectations. If you look at my setup (Specs & Photos page), it's a similar sized turbo, with a .63 a/r turbine housing, and I've been loving it for 10 years now.
Yeah I saw that and figured since its already restricted at the turbo no need to restrict it at the filter again. I looked at your setup and thats freaking awesome. Your powerband is nice. Im one of those guys that likes to match stuff together for the power to use situation. With the talon I knew it was staying pump gas and I wouldn't want more than 450-480whp. I put together a package that I was comfortable with that would do it and still have a usable powerband on the street while not choking itself. Once I made that a reality I never looked into changing things over 10 years later LOL. I kinda just started driving the car more often honestly since I got rid of 1 of my other cars but truth be told im in my truck 50 percent of the time, 40 percent im on my motorcycle, and 10 percent my cars LOL.
Also im in the process of building my evo 9 also. The head just got cnc port n polished with a combination of kelford, ferrea, magnus, kiggly, and all new oem lifters and rockers. Its a 2.2 aluminum rod build thats been a dream build of mine for a while now.
 
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