would it be worth installing an apexi safc in a stock car?

[keith0486]

ok well i was wondering would it be worth installing an apexi safc in a stock car or should i just wait till i get some things done to it first?

 

[EvolvingGST]

WTF are you guys talking about... the title of this thread is regarding an SAFC on a stock car?!? Why the hell are we talking about the cost of turbo'ing a N/T car???

Look for this thread to be locked soon.

Because the owner is being educated depending on his long term aspects with the car. Nothing about modifying cars is a yes or no answer. It all depends on goals, that is why people are asking the more indepth question of what are you going to do and then pricing out his goals and objectives. That is why it has become that discussion.

For all other newbies this is a good learning example. We don't do yes or no questions please give as much detail as what you are looking to do, or goals and we will work with you thanks.

 

[tkelly27]

Are those prices for dealership parts?!

I got a SMIC, piping, and BOV for $25. Injectors are $5 a piece at the junkyard. Every turbo I've purchased has come with an O2 housing. It's real easy to make a fully functional MBC for $10. That leaves you about $800 to get a built trans

Also, a lot of the stuff you've listed you're going to need weather you're starting with a turbo car or a NT car.

I agree though, sell one of them (*cough* slow 240 *cough* kidding!) and get a complete turbo car. However, you can put together a turbo setup for cheap if you're willing to get used parts and wait for deals, but it will still not have as many good features as a stock turbo one.

 

[dsm-onster]

Yea, but some guys have turbocharged the KA24de for under 1500 and had a 12 second car. Many have spent even less on the 1989-1991 KA24e (it has an eprom ecu) and done the same: say hello to FREE live edit, $10 reflashable chip, $75 eprom burner, and $50 socket job. Many have swapped the $50 1989-1991 eprom ecu to their KA24DE for under $20. The exhaust manifold costs the most at $250 for a FINE piece. A used garret t3 .63 a/r turbine from an 85-86 t-bird can be had for $150 and good for 320 hp. 450s and exhaust tie-in is all that's left.

This will definately be cheaper than a DSM n/t to turbo swap. AND, w/ 2.4 litres of displacement . He'll also have a little bit better traction and a tougher tranny. The KA24 has been pushed to over 450hp on stock internals. Right up there w/ any respectable 6-bolt. It's a frickin' truck block for pete's sake. And they make turbo cam upgrades (for down the road). The two piece intake manifold is much easier to modify for much better performance.

It's still much easier to sell your n/t dsm and buy a turbo dsm. And you still won't take a financial loss. Nissan doesn't make a turbo 240sx. It only makes a JDM 200sx/sylvia w/ an expensive to swap sr20det.

 

[keith0486]

sr's are not that much 1,600 for the engine and trany but the ka sucks turboing that thing i think is worthless cus they dont make as much parts for them as they do the sr20 but thats just me

 

[dsm-onster]

http://www.jgsturbo.com/index2.html

http://www.amsperformance.com/store/index.php?cPath=24

http://www.oandjperformance.com/

Timeslips:
http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtimeslip.php

They definately do make enough stuff to get you good numbers. Of course, don't buy a complete turbo kit. Just like you don't buy a complete sr20 swap kit. If yu want to save money.They are cheaper to upgrade because of the lack of popularity. The stock cams have been taken to the 11s. the stock block has been taken to the 10s. Hacking the KA24E ecu is a cinch. It's like dsmlink for $150 or less. Everything else is the same w/ respect to costs. . .

I've seen a KA24 turbo spank an SR20 swap. Both had the same $1500 budget from scratch. The SR guy got his engine/tranny and stock fuel/turbo in the car for that price. The KA guy got into the 11s w/ that price.

More of waht a KA-t can do:
http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5200

Stock shortblock:http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1042

 

[keith0486]

ya but i woudl take an sr over a ka-t any day tho

 

[dsm-onster]

I new you'd say that

Just remember, A KA can take the same abuse and has a larger displacement. And the KA24DE has a just as capable VE curve.

I'd still sell it all and get a turbo 4g63. A much better engine than the SR20 or KA24. . .

 

[keith0486]

if u say so i never had a probly with my sr20

 

[99RedGs]

you guys talk like 1500 would be spending a lot to turbo a car... I fully expect to spend 5000 or more by the time im done and see no problem with that. Do it right or do it twice is what I say.. Its funny because I take more crap for owning a 420a than I did my little 1.9l LLO saturn . ( lets see how many people laugh at the idea of tuning saturns...)

On the question about using an SAFC on a stock car. When I used to be into saturn tuning we used them and saw pretty good gains, but this was because those cars run pig rich at WOT. From what i understand the n/t's don't run overly rich so i would see no reason for using an SAFC to lean it out a bit.

 

[95CarbonEclipse]

On the question about using an SAFC on a stock car. When I used to be into saturn tuning we used them and saw pretty good gains, but this was because those cars run pig rich at WOT. From what i understand the n/t's don't run overly rich so i would see no reason for using an SAFC to lean it out a bit.

Since no one other then 99RedGS even remotely tried to answer the OP question... I'll re-phrase it to be more specific. Is there a benefit to installing an AFC on a stock 2g GSX with an MBC? Don't ask what are your future mods going to be. I just wanna know if there is at all any benefit in being able to control the air/fuel or are the OEM settings at their peak performance level.

 

[sd_ff22]

A friend of mine put a safc II in and all he had was intake , header and exhuast ...and it made a little difference, so im assuming that a completely stock car wouldnt do too much except worsen your fuel mileage...id wait a little further down the road , plus, it all depends on your goals with the car ,too

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People use the AFC and have success, but I don't think it's a good idea. It's basically just confusing your ECU. For another $400-500 you can get DSMlink or much cheaper an Ostrich and have the ECU control everything that it's seeing.

-If you're a car guy, you won't be able to leave well enough alone, and you'll always wonder what it would have been like if you had gotten the turbo : D

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[v2ner]

Since no one other then 99RedGS even remotely tried to answer the OP question... I'll re-phrase it to be more specific. Is there a benefit to installing an AFC on a stock 2g GSX with an MBC? Don't ask what are your future mods going to be. I just wanna know if there is at all any benefit in being able to control the air/fuel or are the OEM settings at their peak performance level.

There is very little benefit if not any. AFC is way too limited. There are many other devices out there that cost a little more. I personally went with stand alone for driveability purposes. I would respond the same to the original poster as well.

 

[95CarbonEclipse]

With the $400-500 one saved, they could buy other stuff that someone with just an MBC and a boost gauge would need... like say, a new turbo; a new fuel pump w/ FPR; full cat-back exhaust w/ DP...

I guess the question would be... would it be worth it to put DSMlink on a stock 2g with just an MBC? I'm guessing the answer would be the same, other then you can log with it.