1G Won't start, checked all the basics.

[COtalonDriver]

So i got my 93 talon for fun, it ran when i got it ran amazing. next day took about 10 seconds to start was hard to roll over but did. next day wouldnt start. got a new battery, akternator good. fuel presuure. no boost leak. spark. and when i try to start it now it barly studders and try to roll every about 5 seconds but never starts. cant figure it out please help!! i want to drive my car!

 

[Smurf2gGSX]

clean the battery terminals, make sure they are tight, and check on your starter too.

 

[phantom_19]

There could be something else wrong here.I cant base a diagnosis on your description. Does it have new fuel,or old fuel in it?

 

[Smurf2gGSX]

There could be something else wrong here.I cant base a diagnosis on your description. Does it have new fuel,or old fuel in it?

had that happen to my girlfriends car, she got a bad batch of gas and it woudlnt start.

 

[mitch86]

Try draining the gas out and putting in some fresh gas and see what happens. Sounds like you have the basics covered....

 

[COtalonDriver]

how do i drain the gas? cus i kno it has old gas in it

 

[gearhead37683]

yeah deff sounds like you may have bad fuel in it, but i would also check all of the battery connections and also check the grounds

 

[COtalonDriver]

yeah the grounds are good. but how do u drain the fuel to put fresh in???

 

[GRAVEDIGGER]

There's a drain plug on the bottom of the fuel tank which is easily accessable.

 

[miniturbo23]

that and some fuel injector cleaner and a jump should do the trick, leave the car running for a 10mins then drive..

 

[Kickerbeast]

Unplug the injectors and see if it will run off of starting fluid. If it doesn't, then you know it isn't anything in the fuel system.

 

[inthecease]

well he said that he got a new battery, so what good would cleaning the terminals do.? alternator is good, has fuel pressure, no boost leaks, and has spark. he said that he did drive it. and it drove Great.
How could it be the gas thats in the car.? what I would try to do is start it off starting fluid and see if you can get it started that way. if it starts that way you know its something that isn't allowing that car to start when its cold. another thing i would check is compression, and then after all that. I would rent a Noid light and check for injector pulse.

 

[kneipperk]

i had a similar problem on my 90 tsi awd, turned out to be the ect sensor (engine coolant temp) the wires get so brittle right there and break. only gave me problems when it was cold out. take a look at it, maybe try some spray to start it

 

[Kickerbeast]

Again, as multiple comments have been made on this. Try to start it on starting fluid and see if it runs. That will point you to a system and then trace it down from there. Also you say the fuel pressure is good, but what is the PSI? We can tell you parts to replace all day, but unless you actually post specs and findings we are going to do nothing but waste your money.

 

[COtalonDriver]

ok well im goin to try the starter fluid and see that and drain the gas if not and put fresh in. but as far as buying parts really havnt bought anything so im all good. but it doesnt help that your all saying dold is an issue cus now tht its not running for reason i cant even get it up to my garage.. and its snowing in colorado almost everyother day now so theres no way it will get warmed up unless i get it started..

and u asked how much psi? like boost no idea fuel pressure not really sure cus i just pulled a line off that was goin inoto the engine after the fuelfilter and gas cane flying out when i tried to turn it. the sparks are getting fuel and sprking. its just not turning over. im diein here. i want to drive my car!ha

 

[iluvmy4g63]

do you smell alot of gas when your cranking over?......do you know what a cold start sensor is? it was mine and many others problem before.

 

[COtalonDriver]

no i dont really smell any gas but alittle bit of white smoe poofs out everynow and then. and no i dont, what is t?

 

[Kickerbeast]

ok well im goin to try the starter fluid and see that and drain the gas if not and put fresh in. but as far as buying parts really havnt bought anything so im all good. but it doesnt help that your all saying dold is an issue cus now tht its not running for reason i cant even get it up to my garage.. and its snowing in colorado almost everyother day now so theres no way it will get warmed up unless i get it started..

and u asked how much psi? like boost no idea fuel pressure not really sure cus i just pulled a line off that was goin inoto the engine after the fuelfilter and gas cane flying out when i tried to turn it. the sparks are getting fuel and sprking. its just not turning over. im diein here. i want to drive my car!ha

That is why I said to use a fuel pressure guage to check it, sounds like you have plenty of fuel, but you still need to know the pressure to rule it out. before you drain the tank, try to start it off of starting fluid and see what happens. Unless this happened the same day, or the day after you filled up the car then it won't be a fuel quality issue.

If it runs off of starting fluid then get a NOID light and check to see if your injectors are pulsing.

If it does not run off of starting fluid then check your spark again. Also change your plugs. If it runs on new plugs then the old ones are fouled and there could be a few reasons for that.

Rule out one thing at a time. Don't worry about draining the fuel until you know that it is a fuel problem and not a fuel delivery problem.

You can't say you've ruled out the basics until you can give the following:
Fuel pressure (PSI) at the rail from a guage
Compression PSI
The gap your spark can jump using a spark tester (not a spark plug)
That your intake has not had a critter crawl up into in a make a nest
Your injectors are firing (using a NOID light)
Are you spark plugs fowled

Only after you have these answers can you start looking at what is truely causing the issue. When you rule all of these out, then you start looking at things like fuel composition

 

[turbodsm007]

things to check:
-ecu see if it smells like fish..
-cam sensor
-fuel filter

Old gas isn't going to do it im sorry. My 2g was sitting for about 10 years, I was still able to start it with 10 year old gas and a little octane booster.

 

[kneipperk]

things to check:
-ecu see if it smells like fish..
-cam sensor
-fuel filter

Old gas isn't going to do it im sorry. My 2g was sitting for about 10 years, I was still able to start it with 10 year old gas and a little octane booster.

I think bad gas could cause problems like that. i filled up at a 711 once and i couldnt even get my car moved from the gas pump. it started and sputtered out instantly and then wouldnt start back up. had to put some octance boost in and it fired right up! but if it ran good 1 day and then not the next i dont see it being gas.....

 

[COtalonDriver]

yeah its so frustresting! cus im like broke ass #### but still learning bout dsms but cant figure out whats wrong with my car when all i wanna do latly is drive. im going insane

 

[Project2G]

Is your CEL on? I had this issue and just replaced my coolant temp sensor it it solved my problem.

 

[manrightchea]

Yeah if your car is just cranking endlessly, then you are missing a piece of the puzzle. Fuel, spark, compression. Like someone said earlier, I would check your ECU and see if it smell foul or not. Once you rule that out, you'll need to verify that your injectors are actually pulsing, that you have spark at the wires, and finally check your compression. Also be sure to check your underhood engine fuse. It's controls a number of vital systems, and the car will not fire if it's bad. I'd swap it with another one to be sure, as I had an issue were the fuse looked fine and was in fact bad.

 

[kneipperk]

Is your CEL on? I had this issue and just replaced my coolant temp sensor it it solved my problem.

this sensor really is important for your car to start. dont ask me why but it is!!!!!! i had it happen on my 1g (no check engine light came on) and my buddy had the same problem, he told me about it not startin, i came over and fixed the connection and it started right up just like mine did. its worth a look. it didnt cost me anything all i did was strip the wires and reconnect it

 

[iluvmy4g63]

no i dont really smell any gas but alittle bit of white smoe poofs out everynow and then. and no i dont, what is t?

a cold start sensor. is a sensor that sends a signal to the ECU, it tells the ecu the tempo of the antifreeze.
then the ECU sends asignal to the injectors on how much gas to spay for an ez start up.
when it go's bad it has the injectors on an open cycle.
witch in turns floods the motor on start up.
why i asked if you smell heavy gas in the air.