Will not go into second gear.

[S_Ranger]

I messed up. After a quick hard race I wasn't able to go into second gear. 30 minutes later I got it to go in again, just kinda worked it in. Well the second time came around and now I can't work it in again. It is hard to go into all gears so I'm just thinking I have to refresh on some tranny lubrication. Hopefully that works because this is too much to handle right now. At first on the second race it wouldn't go into 1st or 2nd, but I worked it back into 1st. It's just a p.i.t.a for second. Any suggestions, help?

 

[Newlogics]

I messed up. After a quick hard race I wasn't able to go into second gear. 30 minutes later I got it to go in again, just kinda worked it in. Well the second time came around and now I can't work it in again. It is hard to go into all gears so I'm just thinking I have to refresh on some tranny lubrication. Hopefully that works because this is too much to handle right now. At first on the second race it wouldn't go into 1st or 2nd, but I worked it back into 1st. It's just a p.i.t.a for second. Any suggestions, help?

Make sure nothing is obstracting shift levers and counterweight under the hood. Make sur eyour clutch is bled and disengaging fully.

How exactly does it not go it?
Does it grind, pop back out or simply stop, like there is a wall instead of a gear ?

 

[S_Ranger]

It feels like there is something blocking it for going into second. It's like I can almost get it in there and all I need is an extra push but I dont' wanna break nothing.

 

[S_Ranger]

Anyone wanna throw something in?

 

[Newlogics]

While damaged/broken shift fork will sometimes creat such symptoms, it often turns out to be insufficient disengagement, or intake pipe/coolant hose obstracting shift lever counterweight. Will the car go into gear when engine is off?

 

[S_Ranger]

While the engine is off it will go into every gear besides 2nd. I'm going to check the linkage and bushings tommorow morning. Then bleed the clutch. Start from the bottom and work my way up.

 

[robs90tsi]

I have the same problem as you do, Im already replaced the slave cylinder, and bled the hell out of my master cylinder, that didnt do it, turns out the TOB is bad, possibly a master cylinder too, does your tranny make a wierd noise when in a gear, lets say 1st, and the clutch is fully depressed???

 

[S_Ranger]

Not really a TOB rattling noise, but a non-lubed gear changing noise. It does rattle when it is in nuetral and I turn it off though.

 

[cbennett23]

Yeah your clutch is most likely gone. the reason it will not go into gear is because you have dampiner sprigs on a clutch, these help engage and disengage a clutch, if one of these happens to come out say from over twisting the clutch from launching off the line, very hard shifting. You may be able to get it into gear but it will be tough. This happened to me and i changed out my clutch end noticed a spring came out. I hope this answered your question

 

[dsmgrimreaper]

sounds like syncro problem to me

 

[Eastern Brigade]

How many miles are on your clutch? It could be a bad clutch. I wasn't able to get my tranny to shift into 2nd gear and I had about 180,000 miles on my clutch(Stock Clutch). It turned out to be a bad clutch. It could also be syncros or a shifter fork. If nothing else works check your clutch.

 

[StealthXtreme4]

We'll break this down simply, since I don't have much of the information needed....

Hydraulics:
Check your hydraulic system. Bleed your lines, and replace with new fluid, see if there is any change...

Clutch:
Ensure that your clutch is in good condition. To check for disengagement, push the clutch in, in 1st gear, and rev the car up.. If it moves your loosing disengagement. Another is to take it from 1st, to reverse, and then back again. If you hear the clunk or the car tries to move when you engage it into one of those gears, you're not getting full disengagement, which may have caused the synchro to go bad. ( is it grinding? or just not able to get in? )

Internals:
I'm guessing this is more likely the scenario. With a bent shift fork, you're going to experience a lot of difficulty getting into gears. OF course it'll be a little bit easier when the car is off, but this is due to the fact that there is no rotation occuring in the transmission. It's at 0, not 1-7k rpms

Do the 1st two, and let me know what the results are, if you have no improvement or solid results, the third is most likely the culprit.

 

[robs90tsi]

Not really a TOB rattling noise, but a non-lubed gear changing noise. It does rattle when it is in nuetral and I turn it off though.

Ya, thats what Im talking about, I have the same problem you do, I just ordered my ACT 2100 clutch kit, if you still havent figured it out, Ill let you know what my fork, disc, etc. looks like to give you an idea of whats wrong, but Im pretty sure that you have the same noise I do, not a rattle, but almost like a powersteering pump noise, something spinning thats not lubed, that noise was coming from my bad TOB.

 

[S_Ranger]

Yeah, I'll do these first steps first and post the results. Hopefully it is just air in the lines. Mechanics are saying it will be 1000 to rebuild the tranny. I say no to that. Shep time if it comes down to it.

 

[StealthXtreme4]

Yeah, I'll do these first steps first and post the results. Hopefully it is just air in the lines. Mechanics are saying it will be 1000 to rebuild the tranny. I say no to that. Shep time if it comes down to it.

100 bucks and a local member who isn't afraid to use a press will get your tranny back in shape... Transmissions are not picky, they are very easy to work with.

 

[S_Ranger]

You perhaps? I'm gonna go do these steps right quick. Wish me luck.

 

[JusMX141]

When my Talon was still in stock form, it occasionally didn't like to go into 2nd and when slowing down to stop at a redlight or something it would lock me out of first until I came to a complete stop. At first I believed it was the synchros, the tranny has about 130,000 on it. However, once I started to boost the power a little with a few goodies, I now see that the clutch will slip once the car begins building boost. I'm believing my clutch to be causing my occasional shifting problems, because if the synchros were bad it would seemingly be difficult to shift all of the time instead of some of the time.

 

[StealthXtreme4]

When my Talon was still in stock form, it occasionally didn't like to go into 2nd and when slowing down to stop at a redlight or something it would lock me out of first until I came to a complete stop. At first I believed it was the synchros, the tranny has about 130,000 on it. However, once I started to boost the power a little with a few goodies, I now see that the clutch will slip once the car begins building boost. I'm believing my clutch to be causing my occasional shifting problems, because if the synchros were bad it would seemingly be difficult to shift all of the time instead of some of the time.

Don't confuse the thread up with this... at 130k if you're synchros would take endless powershifts from me, I'd suck on your big toe... You're synchros are pretty much nearing the end of their life at that mileage, and you'll want to replace 1-3. You find it hard sometimes because they aren't in the best condition... ( being at a stop and not being able to get in for example unless your stopped.. is a sign your first isn't in really good shape. They may not grind all the time, or have problems.. but that's due to ambient temperature... the viscocity of your trans fluid at the time ( whether it's warm or cold ) and other factors...

You might as well replace both if they are original..

 

[robs90tsi]

Well, with my clutch issue, the master cylinder is bad, thats whats causing my clutch to not engage into gear, try replacing both the master cylinder and slave cylinder, and see what happens, dont forget to bleed properly.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213503&highlight=bleed