Wierd Noise after starting

[GSXTASY95]

I just bought my car a month ago, its a 95 gsx with only 79k original miles. nothing was wrong with it when i bought it but now right after i start it there is a wierd grinding noise i guess you would call it, it does it for like 2 seconds then it goes away, it only does it when my car is cold. i am planning on taking it in to the shop but dont wanna waste the money if its an easy fix. thanks

 

[tim4g63fast]

The biggest problem you have is that you bought a 2g. I don't know how dsm smart you are but since you are taking it to a shop I'm guessing you just got into them. There is a butt load of things wrong with 95 to 99 dsms (inquire if you would like to know more). To be completely honest with you i got into the dsm world the same way i bought a 96 gst and it was problem after problem. It all ended in a Nice bought of crankwalk (problem that all 2g dsms get) and a side of spun rod bearing. not to mention all the b.s. i went through. anyways if you like the car that much just start looking into locating a 1g 6bolt block & Crank, water pump, gasket kit, rebuilt head, 1g big rods, and a new set of OEM pistons and rings, main and rod bearings, arp head studs, and other minor stuff. always use an OEM timing belt. Then have a block assembled buy a clutch and you know have a dependable 2g eclipse with the heart of a 1g. or you could sell the piece before it crank walks on you (no offense) and buy either a 1990-1992 dsm 93-94s have weaker rods in which 2gs also do. Or you could find a 2g with six bolt swap already done. I will actually be selling 96 soon for cheap with a completely rebuilt engine. if you have any quietions just ask. I wasn't trying to be a jerk. I am just speaking from alot of peoples experiences including mine.

 

[ddavisaf]

The biggest problem you have is that you bought a 2g. I don't know how dsm smart you are but since you are taking it to a shop I'm guessing you just got into them. There is a butt load of things wrong with 95 to 99 dsms (inquire if you would like to know more). To be completely honest with you i got into the dsm world the same way i bought a 96 gst and it was problem after problem. It all ended in a Nice bought of crankwalk (problem that all 2g dsms get) and a side of spun rod bearing. not to mention all the b.s. i went through. anyways if you like the car that much just start looking into locating a 1g 6bolt block & Crank, water pump, gasket kit, rebuilt head, 1g big rods, and a new set of OEM pistons and rings, main and rod bearings, arp head studs, and other minor stuff. always use an OEM timing belt. Then have a block assembled buy a clutch and you know have a dependable 2g eclipse with the heart of a 1g. or you could sell the piece before it crank walks on you (no offense) and buy either a 1990-1992 dsm 93-94s have weaker rods in which 2gs also do. Or you could find a 2g with six bolt swap already done. I will actually be selling 96 soon for cheap with a completely rebuilt engine. if you have any quietions just ask. I wasn't trying to be a jerk. I am just speaking from alot of peoples experiences including mine.

Crankwalk isn't as big of a problem as most people make it out to be.
Alot of people blame their problems on crankwalk because they're scared of it. Most of the time it's a problem that can be fixed with some indepth troubleshooting. I'm not trying to flame you, I'm just making sure facts are facts. True, 2g's do have problems. 1g's have problems also. If you want a car that won't break down on you, don't buy a dsm period. We all know we have problem after problem. But , they are good cars if well maintained. It's like a child that just learned to walk. You have to watch them constantly.

Anyway. Your problem is your starter isn't disengaging. That's what it sounds like to me. Take a weekend, yank it off and clean the gear. Since you just bought the car you need to replace the plugs/wires and gap them properly. Do a search on here to find out. If not alot of mods gap 'em to around 30ish....
Replace timing belt. Take out your Balance Shaft Bearings. (40 dollar kit). And do a tranny serveice. Change your oil, make sure it's good good good stuff and DO NOT USE A FRAM FILTER.

Anymore questions you may have let us know.

 

[tim4g63fast]

I would call my crank moving back and forth in my bottom end a pretty big problem. Especially when it locks up or you clutch turns to mush when turning. Come to think about it you cant change my mind. Crank walk is a huge problem and if the car is a daily driver is should be rectified before you become forced to walk, take the bus, or call a taxi. All which i had to do. Of course 1gs have problems but they have less problems and there cheaper. I would say the rate at which my 1992 awd breaks down is much much less than my 2g did and it has twice the miles. dsms are for gear heads not for someone that actually needs it for transportation. but there are many people that still subject themselves to dsms knowing that it is the only car they have because the love for the car is so strong.

anyways i worked for a shop that worked on strickley dsms and star/quest and darn near every 2g that came in to get a 6bolt swap or anyother engine work for that matter either had crank walk or singes of it. Infact I Have never seen a 7bolt engine on a stand that you could not move the crank back and forth in the block at least a little. Unless of course it was a 93-94 7bolt. And yes 6bolts do crank walk also before somebody says something. I seen one out of a GVR4 but it walked due to casting slag from a poorley cleaned block not from bad machining.

 

[ddavisaf]

Anyway. Back to the problem.

tim, read the vfaq.

 

[GSXTASY95]

ok thanks for the input guys, i posted the same problem on different racing forums n no one took the time to help me out, i appreciate it a lot. The car has been very well maintained i have a whole inch thick stack of reciepts for things done to the car. nothing major just routine maintence, i will look into the starter not disengaging, yes i did just getinto the DSM world but ive been around hondas forever so thats why i dont know much about DSM. but i will learn as time goes on. thanks for all the input guys! ooo also, when i did an oil change i used mobil 1 synthetic, is that sufficient enough?

 

[ddavisaf]

Oil is a tricky subject to get into

I use 5W40 synthetic. People yell at me about it, then they go and put it in their car.

That oil should be good. But the best advice I can give you is to read the VFAQ

Everything you didn't think you needed to know is in there. An awesome resource.

 

[BLampinen]

IMO, mobil 1 or royal purple is the only way to go

 

[BLampinen]

IMO, mobil 1 or royal purple is the only way to go. as far as crank walk, dont let him scare you. do a search on this site and you'll find hundreds of threads about crank walk and all of them have the same basic conculsion: it is extremely rare.

 

[tim4g63fast]

i use castrol. i like it and it works. no problems. i have a lot of miles. Ya and everybody i knew personally that Had a 7bolt walked. and if it didn't when they did an engine swap there were obviously signs of it. so heres my URL. I'm going to start video taping all the 7bolts that get pulled in my friends shop and then will post them in a month or so on my myspace account. well see how rare it is. I'm not trying to scare I'm just trying to inform. I'm dropping the walking subject.

HTTP://www.myspace.com/captin_stabinchicks

 

[BLampinen]

i dunno... its hard to say. some people say what u said, but i know lots of people who have gone years and lots of mod's on 7 bolts and never seen a problem...

 

[Ludachris]

There is a butt load of things wrong with 95 to 99 dsms (inquire if you would like to know more).

Don't you think this is stretching it a bit? It depends greatly on how they're maintained.

It all ended in a Nice bought of crankwalk (problem that all 2g dsms get)

A bit misleading here too - how can you suggest that ALL 2g DSMs get crankwalk? The 7-bolt block "might" be more susceptible to walking, but where did you find evidence that ALL of them walk? There are a lot of opinions and theories on why our cars get crankwalk, but as far as I knew, no real hard conclusions. Just because you buy a 2g with a 7-bolt does not mean your are destined to get crankwalk. The chances might be greater than the 1g's, but it's not a sure thing. Don't mislead people please. It's one thing to speak from experience, but quite another to speak for everyone. Feel free to share your sources though.

 

[98RedGs]

137k Miles on my ole 95's 7bolt before I slung a rod because of no oil in it.
This isn't crankwalk...


Sure you'll hear alot of people blame any problems out of their 2nd gens on Crankwalk...
LIFTER TICK??? Must be the start of a crankwalk
OVERHEATING??? Dam, I'm starting to develop crankwalk....


I'm not picking on anyone at all I'm simply stating that everyone relays everything to crankwalk anytime they talk about a 2g's problems. If anyone is wondering goto the search feature search threads by title and keyword CRANKWALK and sort them by how many post. Then go read a couple of threads and see what everyone says about it.


It's not as bad as it's made out to be...

 

[ddavisaf]

Crankwalk isn't as big of a problem as most people make it out to be.
Alot of people blame their problems on crankwalk because they're scared of it. Most of the time it's a problem that can be fixed with some indepth troubleshooting.

In depth troubleshooting **keywords**

If something happens. Attack the problem with a clear head. Chances are you'll fix a problem that is in no way shape or form crankwalk

Sorry about the walking topic. Just wanted to say one more thing.

GSXTASY95: How is the troubleshooting going?

 

[tim4g63fast]

wow i totally just got bad feedback for aparentley not showing anylove for 7bolts.

o well

anywyas nobody really answered that problem above either.

sounds like the flywheel is worn. when the teeth wear you get a little grinding noise. also could be the teeth on the starter but more likley the flywheel. althought i dont know why it would only do it when its cold. maybe throwout bearing makes the noise when cold.

or maybe the flywheel is getting a little back and forth play not causing it to engage the starter correctley. hmm that would be that bad thing that gives you negative feed back.

that would be my evaluation of the problem nobody could really answer without hearing it.