Who is Dr Turbo?

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When I saw this car at the Shootout roughly 5 years ago, I was allready impressed. It was completly different, but it was allready unique. Little touches here and there with the "Dr." knacks throughout. When Aaron said he was going to operate on it again I couldn't have imagined it was going to turn out like this. I don't think anyone could have. These pictures do not do this car justice. If you want to comprehend the car, come see it in person then you will understand. Especially, if you know what goes into trying to make something like this happen. Not ONE detail was overlooked and no corners were cut. This truly is an amazing machine and has an amazing designer. I'm proud to call "Rupe", "Aaron", "Dr. Turbo", "Tic Tac Man" my friend. Round of applause to you sir. Ride on.

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This pretty much says it all:

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[SoopaStar]

Damnit Rupe, this thread has made me really start looking for another 1G. If you are going to run against Khanh, I want to know ahead of time so I can see it!
Awesome job on it.
Paul C.

 

[habitatguy187]

If you are going to run against Khanh, I want to know ahead of time so I can see it!

Shere Khan?

 

[dsm-onster]

Disney. I don't get it either, Brad. . . Inside street racing conversation probably. Please don't slide into another mercedes. Word of advice on your next Jesus appointment, he doesn't like when others are needlessly and selfishly endangered

I am getting 20 psi by 4300 on a 7.8-1 motor. Now for those who want to know about power and Ets, well it is making plenty, I am up to 22 psi and the car hauls balls. I won't be visiting a dyno, I haven't made a legal pass since 03 and I don't have any intentions any time soon either. I think we all know I am a street racer and that isn't going to change, so you will just to have to assume the car is fast.

I'm a little confused about your spool speed. Thank you for posting the results of your manifold upgrade. I'm not sure it's helping. I'm sure you need a decent tune. There's probably a few shops around that will really help, but it still seams like your spool speed is terribly slow for your setup. You have runners matched to low rpms and higher rpms, you have a 'bigger' plenum. But someone like member Brianawd has a much faster spool with just a stock 1g unit with an extrude hone job on it. And he's netting 560whp (with a dynojet).

I'm interested in seeing how your hertz count curve looks in a good pull. Can you give us a look. Or start another thread to see how beneficial a cyclone with a larger plenum actually is.

 

[Highbooost]

You know that annoying bee or fly when you are eating that won't leave you alone, that is you DSM monster. Go away, I can tune a car blind folded and I certainly don't need help. You know what is the funny thing, you dogg me then want to know the ins and outs of my car this and that, tell you what if you even have a car that runs, how bout you meet me somewhere and I'll show you first hand what it can do, as I pass you sitting still.

And I don't want to bring Brian into this since I don't know him and he didn't speak for himself, but no where did he post his spool up speed so how do you figure my spool is slow, and try apples to apples, he is an 8.8-1 motor with a smaller turbo, I'm 7.8-1 with a bigger turbo.

Later Dr Turbo

Disney. I don't get it either, Brad. . . Inside street racing conversation probably. Please don't slide into another mercedes. Word of advice on your next Jesus appointment, he doesn't like when others are needlessly and selfishly endangered


I'm a little confused about your spool speed. Thank you for posting the results of your manifold upgrade. I'm not sure it's helping. I'm sure you need a decent tune. There's probably a few shops around that will really help, but it still seams like your spool speed is terribly slow for your setup. You have runners matched to low rpms and higher rpms, you have a 'bigger' plenum. But someone like member Brianawd has a much faster spool with just a stock 1g unit with an extrude hone job on it. And he's netting 560whp (with a dynojet).

I'm interested in seeing how your hertz count curve looks in a good pull. Can you give us a look. Or start another thread to see how beneficial a cyclone with a larger plenum actually is.

 

[dsm-onster]

You know that annoying bee or fly when you are eating that won't leave you alone, that is you DSM monster. Go away, I can tune a car blind folded and I certainly don't need help. You know what is the funny thing, you dogg me then want to know the ins and outs of my car this and that, tell you what if you even have a car that runs, how bout you meet me somewhere and I'll show you first hand what it can do, as I pass you sitting still.

Later Dr Turbo

Wow. Trying to study your setup. Personally your all show 20psi at 4300rpm with a bolton car was really looking good. The one thing in the enginebay that wasn't pretty (no offense: i like function over form) was the cyclone modification. THAT was truely not "dsm hot rod". And I'm really interested in how nice it worked or could work. I was wondering if the slower boost threshold was infact because of much more flow demand from the motor. I was wondering if your manifold work was successful per our pm conversation. Looks like I hit a nerve. I'm sorry.

I certainly didn't "dogg" you. After calling Lucas English a liar on a public forum because his 16g setup did what it did, along with all the others, but yet not even recanting or at least admitting that others have done it; you've really shown your tuning skills to be no better than the next. I don't have a problem with that. I could probably do no better. I was suggesting that someone could help, IF your manifold was working as well as suspected. Offending you was not my intention. Not as much as you did to Richards 1g build in his build thread.

You should have put this in a blog if you didn't want the public to get involved. There's an option only to let friends respond. Chris has asked that we all create build blogs not build thread. What ever you want to do is up to you and Chris, but that would help if you didn't want me in here.

Again, please don't street race. I know you will. But compassion for my fellow man will guarantee that I will respond even if just based on suspect. You can run faster on the street than at a race track (circuit or drag)? OK. I have enough self confidence not to jepordize the safety of others if that is where you wish this will head.

 

[Jay Racing]

^^^What?! That entire post should have been a PM.

 

[TRBOBLU]

You know that annoying bee or fly when you are eating that won't leave you alone, that is you DSM monster. Go away, I can tune a car blind folded and I certainly don't need help. You know what is the funny thing, you dogg me then want to know the ins and outs of my car this and that, tell you what if you even have a car that runs, how bout you meet me somewhere and I'll show you first hand what it can do, as I pass you sitting still.

And I don't want to bring Brian into this since I don't know him and he didn't speak for himself, but no where did he post his spool up speed so how do you figure my spool is slow, and try apples to apples, he is an 8.8-1 motor with a smaller turbo, I'm 7.8-1 with a bigger turbo.

Later Dr Turbo

The spool looks good to me. To make 20psi on a 3065 by 4300 is not bad. My 61mm would make 26psi by 4600~4700 and yours would probably be somewhere close to that. Now my real questions is when will my new HTA3586 spool

 

[dsm-onster]

3586 hta would be nuts with a cyclone or any variant of it!

Again clean ass car. I'd love to buy you a beer some time and chat about how well to detail and study the prospectors point of view of a car. And of course fluid dynamics of your manifold. Good job

 

[Highbooost]

First off it is a race car that is show quality.

Telling someone who has been tunning dsms for 12 years and especially after what I just showed everyone that they need help tunning is an insult, and I took it that way.

Show me another 3065 that spools faster on a stock motor and I will concede to that setup not to someone whos setup is completely different with not even the same turbo.

AHHH finally the truth came out, you are just trying to put me down because of some other post in the past that I have made toward others, you even sited your sources. Dude get off it, the English car is full of it, or they weren't disclosing all their secrets, I personally knew everything that was done to CB car to get it to make that kind of power and it was a lot, Oh please Richard, the guy who came on a DSM forum blabbing about his V8s that I made fun of, it wasn't a build thread at all. I'm sure if I went on a LS1 forum and started talking about my DSM they would kick me off their site.

I don't care who post about what ever on the thread, but come on you are just trying to stir the pot, hence the insiting ET? you just want to prove I'm a dumbass or my car is slow...that I'm not really a DR, etc etc. Look, the car has been runing for DAYS, I still have more things to do to the car, I'm not done, just relax, I have never owned anything slow I'm not about to start. You won't have any logs, dynos, or ets to compare it to so there is no reason to try. I was nice enough to give you guys spool time and this is how I was treated.

Lastly, I will never give up street racing, I have been to jail, wrecked my car, lost my license I can't tell you how many times, been fined, and none of those things have detered me, it is what I like to do and it is going to stay that way.

Later Dr Turbo


Monster, I'm not trying to hate, just responding to how you have acted recently.

Wow. Trying to study your setup. Personally your all show 20psi at 4300rpm with a bolton car was really looking good. I was wondering if the slower boost threshold was infact because of much more flow demand from the motor. I was wondering if your manifold work was successful per our pm conversation. Looks like I hit a nerve. I'm sorry.

I certainly didn't "dogg" you. After calling Lucas English a liar on a public forum because his 16g setup did what it did, along with all the others, but yet not even recanting or at least admitting that others have done it; you've really shown your tuning skills to be no better than the next. I don't have a problem with that. I could probably do no better. I was suggesting that someone could help, IF your manifold was working as well as suspected. Offending you was not my intention. Not as much as you did to Richards 1g build in his build thread.

You should have put this in a blog if you didn't want the public to get involved. There's an option only to let friends respond. Chris has asked that we all create build blogs not build thread. What ever you want to do is up to you and Chris, but that would help if you didn't want me in here.

Again, please don't street race. I know you will. But compassion for my fellow man will guarantee that I will respond even if just based on suspect. You can run faster on the street than at a race track (circuit or drag)? OK. I have enough self confidence not to jepordize the safety of others if that is where you wish this will head.

 

[dsm-onster]

I really don't want to hurt your feelings! I promise. See this is the reason why I hate the entarweb. You can't get the feeling or point across (any more than internet dating ).

Hey. I'm not here because of waht you said about Lucas. I added that in defense of the faact that words typed can be really harsh and confusing. I, after all, was the FOREMOST rebelling against the Curt Brown results. But simply put. I was wrong. My own father and mentor gave me a simple anwser to all my questions about what that ONE car did. Horsepower per unit airflow. Or BSFC. There's less pumping loss, more thermal efficiency and MUCH better fuel used with the CB setup. CB can build it best!!!!!! Lucas has no intercooler, keeps boost up; has e85, takes more fuel for the same btu output, but how much more timing and compression (thermal efficiency) can you run with e85, a better fuel is a better fuel. Plus what is the oxygen content of methanol. He runs ALOT of meth. Definately as possible as CB's results. . . This is SO not about your build. Sorry for deviating.

I hope you finish her up something nasty!!! PLEASE don't take what I say as an insult. I often get on here because it's just like an old friend to me. I say things in sarcastic jest, or in a way that only a friend would understand. That's somethign I should probably work on: my delivery . But still I REALLY want to know how your manifold is working. Please keep updating and infact, start a new thread! I would like to have a better discussion. My car has the bottem in done. And I'm sure I could at least feel good about what I plan on doing by understanding how your setup will work. If there's gains that are suspected, I will definately be incorporating them. So many others would benefit.

Anyway, about the street racing. I talk to my father on my knees. He's in a wheel chair from street racing. Baddest fvck!ng GN in all of the richmond, va area. I don't want wifes, children, mothers, onlookers, or random drivers feeling that pain of so much loss because of someone's vanity. I'm sorry. I can't hold back SOME emotions. It wasn't even for a GOOD REASON that I lost the opportunity to play football with my father or put me on his shoulders to pick wild fox grapes in the woods or any of the bull that fathers and sons do. He was in a wheelchair, my mom was as happy as she could trying to stick by him when he couldn't even function below his breastline (t4 spinal injury) in any way.

 

[LandoAWD]

Please quit, guys. This thread is too damn neat to sully with this BS.

 

[Highbooost]

I really don't want to hurt your feelings! I promise. See this is the reason why I hate the entarweb. You can't get the feeling or point across (any more than internet dating ).

Hey. I'm not here because of waht you said about Lucas. I added that in defense of the faact that words typed can be really harsh and confusing. I, after all, was the FOREMOST rebelling against the Curt Brown results. But simply put. I was wrong. My own father and mentor gave me a simple anwser to all my questions about what that ONE car did. Horsepower per unit airflow. Or BSFC. There's less pumping loss, more thermal efficiency and MUCH better fuel used with the CB setup. CB can build it best!!!!!! Lucas has no intercooler, keeps boost up; has e85, takes more fuel for the same btu output, but how much more timing and compression (thermal efficiency) can you run with e85, a better fuel is a better fuel. Plus what is the oxygen content of methanol. He runs ALOT of meth. Definately as possible as CB's results. . . This is SO not about your build. Sorry for deviating.

I hope you finish her up something nasty!!! PLEASE don't take what I say as an insult. I often get on here because it's just like an old friend to me. I say things in sarcastic jest, or in a way that only a friend would understand. That's somethign I should probably work on: my delivery . But still I REALLY want to know how your manifold is working. Please keep updating and infact, start a new thread! I would like to have a better discussion. My car has the bottem in done. And I'm sure I could at least feel good about what I plan on doing by understanding how your setup will work. If there's gains that are suspected, I will definately be incorporating them. So many others would benefit.

Anyway, about the street racing. I talk to my father on my knees. He's in a wheel chair from street racing. I don't want wifes, children, mothers, onlookers, or random drivers feeling that pain. I'm sorry. I can't hold back SOME emotions.

Appology accepted, I'm sorry about your story with your father I have lost friends to racing, and have known others to die as well. We are very smart about where, who, and when we race, it is dangerous and many things can go wrong that is why I exercise all precautions when doing so, in fact some J ass in a Zo6 the other day chased me down in my apt plat driving in the suicide lane tried to get me to race. I told him he was drunk and to go home and sleep it off. He attempted a burn out called me a @*()#) and sped off.

Last thing, when the motor is built that is when I expect to see the real gains of low end spool, and a HTA turbo is not out of the question either.

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Later Dr Turbo

 

[toofast82]

But still I REALLY want to know how your manifold is working. Please keep updating and infact, start a new thread!

You seem pretty curious about the Cyclones. I think your holset might like it. What do you think about the added plenum?
Lets say the original plenum volume is ~11-1200cc, he maybe added another half of that so to be ~1800cc. I think it would help because the larger plenum should aid in higher rpm airflow, but its not so huge that it will re-engineer the powerband. Many of the usual SMIMs have plenums in the 3-4000cc+ range with the exception of the old Magnus. Plus I think having the eight separate runners may be doing something for velocity as well as obviously the butterfly effect of it on the low end
DSM Sheet Metal Intake Testing.

I was very impressed with his idea to do that
Especially being a recent Cyclone user myself

 

[dsm-onster]

So many forget or don't realize that the entiere volume from the intercooler end tank to the intake runner mouths constitute a 'plenum'. Another thread? probably would be better.

! I've seen that "cool beans" movie before. Update with results, bud!

Very sorry Kris. Didn't take it to pms because ,like now, I want to make sure everyone knows I didn't intend on offending. And because I just have to say my peace about street racing.

 

[Highbooost]

You seem pretty curious about the Cyclones. I think your holset might like it. What do you think about the added plenum?
Lets say the original plenum volume is ~11-1200cc, he maybe added another half of that so to be ~1800cc. I think it would help because the larger plenum should aid in higher rpm airflow, but its not so huge that it will re-engineer the powerband. Many of the usual SMIMs have plenums in the 3-4000cc+ range with the exception of the old Magnus. Plus I think having the eight separate runners may be doing something for velocity as well as obviously the butterfly effect of it on the low end
DSM Sheet Metal Intake Testing.

I was very impressed with his idea to do that
Especially being a recent Cyclone user myself

Really there will be no way to know for sure all its effects since there is no before and after testing, the only way to prove it will be to compare it to other similar setups. If I was rich I would just get a HKS Kansi and be done with it, but that isn't going to happen, well never say never.

Later DR Turbo

 

[whitedawg]

The Dr's car in 2001, I'd say he has came a long way in 8 years. Even had a teal valve cover.

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Had to throw a few extra pics from the archives circa 2001. This was from what's called the Cincy shootout (held in the Fall at a local track).
An ugly paint job:

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The Banana Boat:

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Is that Jay Racing in the middle? Why yes it is.

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What I drove in 2001 (I also had a Laser RS-T)

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[Highbooost]

Holy crap, man if I just knew then what I know now, but hey that is why they call it experience, I swear I have tried everything at one time or another. That is cool you have those pics, oh and that is Uberdorfer from the back side in one of the pics.

Later Dr Turbo

 

[Evil_speedracer]

HAHA - HA! Trying everything is one way to find the best combo! I was kinda confused when I saw the side mount under the hood... Was that the only one, or were you running 2 of them tandem? You have that thing right where I wanna put my air to water eventually.

EDIT: NVM, I see that its a short route setup... thats what I get for glancing real quick between calls at work....

 

[Highbooost]

HAHA - HA! Trying everything is one way to find the best combo! I was kinda confused when I saw the side mount under the hood... Was that the only one, or were you running 2 of them tandem? You have that thing right where I wanna put my air to water eventually.

EDIT: NVM, I see that its a short route setup... thats what I get for glancing real quick between calls at work....

I have tried twin stock intercoolers, waste of time, the second one is nothing more than a heat sink. I have tried water 2 air twice.. waste of time, the one in the pic above was the first that I tried with a supra IC, wouldn't stay cool, I tried another one with it in the stock ic location... waste of time, within minutes in the summer the temps skyrocketed from 33 to 200, yes I had a pump and heat exchanger, water 2 airs DO NOT work on the street end of story, now I just have a big o FMIC, that does WORK.

Later Dr Turbo

 

[Evil_speedracer]

Well damn! I have a holy huge FMIC that I was planning at first, but I wanted to try air to water first. I figured the old typhoons/syclones had the A2W setup right? Thanks for the input man, I am going to collect some pipes now instead of sheet metal and pumps... I noticed on the new setup you have, it appears that you have puller fans sandwiched between the rad and the IC. Have you tried different setups on that as well?

I like to learn.

 

[Highbooost]

Well damn! I have a holy huge FMIC that I was planning at first, but I wanted to try air to water first. I figured the old typhoons/syclones had the A2W setup right? Thanks for the input man, I am going to collect some pipes now instead of sheet metal and pumps... I noticed on the new setup you have, it appears that you have puller fans sandwiched between the rad and the IC. Have you tried different setups on that as well?

I like to learn.

Yes I have done both pullers and pushers, both will work, pullers are better however it really doesn't matter.

Later DR Turbo

 

[erikoberdorfer]

Wow, that is me in those pics above. I recall that being the first time I met you Rupe- I was in Cinci for that track day with Zach.

 

[Jay Racing]

Wow, old pic. Look at how much hair I could still grow!

 

[SoopaStar]

Is that dallace behind the 300z? And was this before or after Khanh got the Banana boat? You all were on your way to this "shootout" the first time I met everyone, but I didn't end up going up there.