Who has the highest WHP for a T/C'd 420A?

[2fast420a]

i backed him in the beginning because i figured he would post the sheets and video quickly. i dont care too much what the truth of this whole situation it. i never tried to say i was the boss. im sure im not the only one who is tired of seeing all the senseless bitching that takes place in this thread so i decided to be the first one to say something. my point has been made though and im done trying to get it across. take it however you want

Fair enough. I can appreciate your point that your tired of seeing this thread. At the same time you need to understand that a lot of us are tired of seeing this bullshit posted over and over again and anytime anyone asks him for a dyno sheet or a timeslips he either gets ultra defensive, ultra agressive, or tries to blow off the thread until people stop asking about it. I for one am tired of it. There are too many people in the 420a community that work too hard to make real numbers and they actually post up thier proof. He just expects everyone to believe him because he says it's so. Well now that he is going to the shootout and there will be plenty of people there to see it and he has nowhere to run now. If I'm not mistaken they have both a dyno day and a 1/4 mile day so we can put this myth to rest real fast. :thumbdown

 

[turbo8u]

2fast420a...dude you're going to get so fukking owned when he posts his dyno video. you're a fukking idiot and everyone is going to point and laugh in your pathetic face when you get owned. just STFU already, STOP calling him a liar because he isnt. you're a fukking classic example of a fukktard on this site. its funny to see your little ### ass friends rile up with you over nothing. the truth is that he lays down 382whp, just STFU and wait for the video. then run away with your tail in between your legs and bowdown to the 420a that just put it in your face.

sorry little bish. i pray im with sui when we see your stupid ass at the shootout.

 

[2fast420a]

2fast420a...dude you're going to get so fukking owned when he posts his dyno video. you're a fukking idiot and everyone is going to point and laugh in your pathetic face when you get owned. just STFU already, STOP calling him a liar because he isnt. you're a fukking classic example of a fukktard on this site. its funny to see your little ### ass friends rile up with you over nothing. the truth is that he lays down 382whp, just STFU and wait for the video. then run away with your tail in between your legs and bowdown to the 420a that just put it in your face.

sorry little bish. i pray im with sui when we see your stupid ass at the shootout.

Wow, that's really smart, you managed to sound like your average F&F teenager. How do you know that he has put down 382hp? Have you seen the dyno sheet? Have you seen the video? NO, because they don't exist. I'll tell you what, I'll "STFU" when he posts a dyno video that clearly shows his dyno numbers. I know a lot more than you think. In fact I know he is lying and that is why I'm calling him out. Like I said before his car has never cleared 350hp and he has no proof to show otherwise. He's going to the shootout so it should be really easy to settle this matter. He said that he will have his new fuel setup in the car and he said it should push him over 420hp so let him show up at the shootout and dyno the car and run it in the 1/4 mile. Pretty simple and even if it rains he can still do the dyno. Sorry to break the news to you josh, but your hero is lying and has no proof otherwise. :thumbdown

BTW try to keep the childish remarks to a minimum grownups are talking in here

 

[GSGoinFast]

2fast420a, how much would it suck for you if he posted up a 400whp+ dyno sheet??? haha that would be embarrasing. i hope he does post it just to see a 420a put down some crazy power, but for you sake i sorta hope he doesnt . we will see.

 

[gsxeclipseguy]

382whp @20lbs of boost on a 20g.

no electric fuel system.. only sfmu and 440cc injectors, but many more supporting mods.

:laugh:

Ok...I orginally was not going to post and get into this arguement, but after going back to look at what he is doing this with...I have come to one conclusion, this is complete bs until he shows a little proof.

I figure that if someone with a 4g63 has to upgrade to at least 550cc injectors when they get a 16g just to run a medium amount of boost (14- oh..bout 18) withouht going really lean. Then there is no way IN HELL you are running 440s on a 20g at 20psi withought being dangerously lean.

Maybe im wrong..if I am, show me the video and correct me, dont sit here and bi*** at me about how he really is making that power with that setup. I WILL NOT BELIEVE IT UNTIL I SEE IT. So im with 2fast420a and anyone else who is smart enough to realize this and call it out as bs.

By the way turbo8u i dont want to sound like an ass but please, your calling him an idiot, but by what what you typed you seem like an idiot yourself....sorry. Making the beginning of your sentences start with a capital letter works wonders.......Whoa, I started sounding like the dsmtuners grammar patrole

 

[2fast420a]

2fast420a, how much would it suck for you if he posted up a 400whp+ dyno sheet??? haha that would be embarrasing. i hope he does post it just to see a 420a put down some crazy power, but for you sake i sorta hope he doesnt . we will see.

Your right, I would gladly eat my words if he posted up the video and that's why I'm giving him the opportunity to prove me wrong. He won't, but he has the chance to do it. Personally I want to see the dyno sheet showing the boost, AF, hp, and torque, but now he says he does not have a dyno sheet so I'll settle for a video as long as it's not some bullshit just showing him moving on the dyno. If he is not willing to post the video he is claiming to have then I have friends who are going to the shootout who will gladly video tape him in digital format so it can be posted after the shootout. Until then I'm still calling BS. :thumbdown

 

[2fast420a]

By the way, keep in mind that if he runs the new fuel setup at the shootout he SHOULD be making more hp than what he already claims. Should be some interesting video. :thumbdown

 

[gsxeclipseguy]

2fast420a, how much would it suck for you if he posted up a 400whp+ dyno sheet??? haha that would be embarrasing. i hope he does post it just to see a 420a put down some crazy power, but for you sake i sorta hope he doesnt . we will see.

:laugh: Yeah if he does post it and its for real then im gonna laugh at myself.

 

[SnoopySLR]

you guys are too much. This is funny. Seriously, if this is bothering you to the point you post 3 times a day, seek help. I want to see his numbers, but instead of worring about them, I'm building my own motor. Hopefully I'll pass his "numbers", if you will, when I'm done. Stop worring about it, and work on your car. Read some other forums, cause I'm sure you all don't know everything yet. Focus your energy on something a little more productive, than yelling "Suieclipse! Show your Dyno!!!" And the treats are amusing too. Grow up people.

 

[2fast420a]

you guys are too much. This is funny. Seriously, if this is bothering you to the point you post 3 times a day, seek help. I want to see his numbers, but instead of worring about them, I'm building my own motor. Hopefully I'll pass his "numbers", if you will, when I'm done. Stop worring about it, and work on your car. Read some other forums, cause I'm sure you all don't know everything yet. Focus your energy on something a little more productive, than yelling "Suieclipse! Show your Dyno!!!" And the treats are amusing too. Grow up people.

Things would be a lot easier if he would just post it though He's been dodging this question for almost a year now so he won't. Today only got started up because he started making excuses all day instead of just posting the video. The shootout is less than two weeks away and this should all be settled after that. :thumbdown

 

[leakyfaucet]

Then there is no way IN HELL you are running 440s on a 20g at 20psi withought being dangerously lean.

That's what I've been saying for a week now. It seems like only naive or really ignorant people actually believe this moron at this point.

 

[GSGoinFast]

Things would be a lot easier if he would just post it though He's been dodging this question for almost a year now so he won't. Today only got started up because he started making excuses all day instead of just posting the video. The shootout is less than two weeks away and this should all be settled after that. :thumbdown

you need to stop putting a :thumbdown at the end of every post, we all know you dissaprove :laugh:

 

[GSGoinFast]

oh yeah, my friends brother with the GS-T was pushing 270whp on the dyno at only 15psi on a 20g untuned with 500cc injectors, and he was cranking it up to 21psi when he tuned it, and he has to get rid of his 500's and hes getting 660's. i dont think 440's will cover it on a 20g @ 20psi. sorry

 

[turbo8u]

i'll be the first to laugh at each and every one of you that called b.s

btw 440's can support that much whp. up to 21psi on a 20g, and yes...thats maxed. need me to prove it to you?

440 bhp, b.s.f.c .60 (typical turbo engine), 95% duty cycle (not such a great idea). he sees about 110psi line pressure at max boost. thats equivelant to about 43-44 lb/hr or fuel. now this is all if he didnt have other mods like a ported head, underdrive pulley, etc.

 

[Blizare]

ahem......someones gonna get

BROKE OFF

here in this thread and it's not gonna be sui.

wooters

EDIT: this whole site will kiss sui's ass.......you will all bow down to teh power of the 420a......i thinks it's about that time.......

 

[2fast420a]

i'll be the first to laugh at each and every one of you that called b.s

btw 440's can support that much whp. up to 21psi on a 20g, and yes...thats maxed. need me to prove it to you?

440 bhp, b.s.f.c .60 (typical turbo engine), 95% duty cycle (not such a great idea). he sees about 110psi line pressure at max boost. thats equivelant to about 43-44 lb/hr or fuel. now this is all if he didnt have other mods like a ported head, underdrive pulley, etc.

I see what your saying here but there is one problem. He said he was running really rich when he pulled these numbers. Also he said that he was doing this on pump gas as well. 440s on pump just does not add up. If he posted the dyno sheet we could see what these numbers look like and where each of the variables sits. If he truly was running rich at 20psi with 440s then there is something wrong. This is why this all sounds fake to me and is why I'm calling B.S. I've never seen anyone post a near 400hp dyno sheet with 20psi and 440 injectors. I'm not saying it can't be done, but I would have to see it to believe it. Look at Dre when he cleared 500hp on pump gas with his GSX. He put down tons of data to support his claim to fame. I would think that siueclipse would have no problem supporting his claims. Most people who tune for high hp applications don't just throw away or lose thier dyno sheets. This is valuable data that need to be kept in order to evaluate the cars progress. Also a lot of dyno places keep records of your dyno if you are a regular customer that way that can overlay your old dyno to your new.

Seriously do you think that all the 4G63 guys who stand around quoting guys like Shepard would have a foot to stand on if they did not have actual proof? Siueclipse is claiming to have one of the higher hp 420a cars out there. The least he can do is prove it. He's posted lots of video in the past and scanned dyno sheets. This is not a difficult or time consuming request.

See GSgoingfast, I can too post without putting :thumbdown in my post

 

[DarkOne]

I have no desire to argue the merits of Sui's car or dyno sheets. I believe he's made what he says he's made.

Here is mine from about two years ago.

http://www.nochoads.org/pics/old-2002/dyno2.jpg

 

[2fast420a]

ahem......someones gonna get

BROKE OFF

here in this thread and it's not gonna be sui.

wooters

EDIT: this whole site will kiss sui's ass.......you will all bow down to teh power of the 420a......i thinks it's about that time.......

What are you talking about. Most the people in here asking for a post are 420a or at least used to be Besides 382 is not a lot of hp for a DSM. Bill is putting down well over 500-600hp and there are 4G cars putting down close to 1000hp.

 

[Malenko]

No matter how forged the internals, no matter how ported and polished the head, no matter how many angles on the valve job, no matter how many PSI we push.....



the vast majority 4G63'ers of DSMTuners will never give our cars any respect. Does it matter that we are impressed with some of the numbers it produces? Does it matter that LarryD's GSX is the most beautiful car I ever got to sit in?



Nope.



So just stay on our site where they are welcome and stay off their site where we arent welcome.


DSM brotherhood my ass :thumbdown

 

[2fast420a]

I have no desire to argue the merits of Sui's car or dyno sheets. I believe he's made what he says he's made.

Here is mine from about two years ago.

http://www.nochoads.org/pics/old-2002/dyno2.jpg

Well, like I said. You'll get to see it pull 400hp in person at the shootout. I wish I could be there to see it but . BTW nice numbers what was that made with 16G or 20G?

 

[2fast420a]

No matter how forged the internals, no matter how ported and polished the head, no matter how many angles on the valve job, no matter how many PSI we push.....



the vast majority 4G63'ers of DSMTuners will never give our cars any respect. Does it matter that we are impressed with some of the numbers it produces? Does it matter that LarryD's GSX is the most beautiful car I ever got to sit in?



Nope.



So just stay on our site where they are welcome and stay off their site where we arent welcome.


DSM brotherhood my ass :thumbdown

Melenko, I'm not trying to make this a 4G vs 420a thing I promise. Rememeber I used to run a turbo'ed 420a. The only reason I went with the 4G was for the AWD. Respect comes with results and he has yet to show anyone any results. That is all I'm saying. It's not fair to all the other 420a guys who put down the numbers and post the sheets and timeslips. If that were the case then we would have every newbie in here saying that they just bought the Hahn Stave IV kit and they putting down X amount of hp because it says so on the website. Like I said before, I'll step up and eat my words when he posts the timeslip or dyno sheet to back up his claims. I don't see that happening though.

 

[DarkOne]

Well, like I said. You'll get to see it pull 400hp in person at the shootout. I wish I could be there to see it but . BTW nice numbers what was that made with 16G or 20G?

Neither. It was a T3/T4, E trim housing, 40 trim wheel, comes with the STAR turbo kit. I had a big effin lean spot right around 5.5K that i didn't have time to tune out, not to mention a crapass cylinder head port job at the time. My previous best was 299/280, put the ported head on and made 302/293. Crap cylinder head. It's a boatanchor these days.

 

[2fast420a]

Neither. It was a T3/T4, E trim housing, 40 trim wheel, comes with the STAR turbo kit. I had a big effin lean spot right around 5.5K that i didn't have time to tune out, not to mention a crapass cylinder head port job at the time. My previous best was 299/280, put the ported head on and made 302/293. Crap cylinder head. It's a boatanchor these days.

Stock Bottom end right? I loved my Hahn 20G but I always wanted to see what the Star kit could have done.

 

[DarkOne]

Stock Bottom end right? I loved my Hahn 20G but I always wanted to see what the Star kit could have done.

Nah, it was built. JE's, Crowers. Good motor.. met is demise on the dyno back in Feb trying to tune out my DFI. Killed it on the first pull. "Catastrophic failure" sums it up pretty well.

 

[leakyfaucet]

i'll be the first to laugh at each and every one of you that called b.s

btw 440's can support that much whp. up to 21psi on a 20g, and yes...thats maxed. need me to prove it to you?

440 bhp, b.s.f.c .60 (typical turbo engine), 95% duty cycle (not such a great idea). he sees about 110psi line pressure at max boost. thats equivelant to about 43-44 lb/hr or fuel. now this is all if he didnt have other mods like a ported head, underdrive pulley, etc.

Are you suggesting he is running 110 psi of fuel pressure?

the vast majority 4G63'ers of DSMTuners will never give our cars any respect. Does it matter that we are impressed with some of the numbers it produces? Does it matter that LarryD's GSX is the most beautiful car I ever got to sit in?

Show me one post where someone disrespected the 420A.

What we ARE saying is that this one guy isn't making it on 440cc injectors. This is definetly NOT a 4g63 vs 420A thread. I thought most people learned to read in kindergarden.