what dsm should i get?

[dsmaniac]

I was really thinking about getting a 2g eclipse or talon awd turbo, but im to afraid of the dreaded crankwalk. Do you think i should just get a 1g instead?

 

[-TunedDSM-]

It all depends on how much money you have and what you want out of it. I bought a stock 2G GSX for 6 grand. But you can pick up a clean 1G (depending on your area) for about 3 grand. Then pour some money into and have a very fast DSM for price of a 2G. And about crankwalk, its way overplayed. It doesnt happen to as many people as you think. Just check out the car for signs of crankwalk when you test drive it. If your car does actually walk, then theres another excuse for a 6 bolt. Just remember DSM's can be and are great cars as long as you keep up on your maitenance and dont rush into modding

 

[1gcrazy]

Crankwalk is rarer then you think in the 2g's. People make it out to be a worldwide epidemic thats gonna end mankind as we know it. This isn't the case. Don't let C/W do the decision making for you.
I, on the other hand, dig the 1g cus it's more of a sleeper. I really fell in love with the interior though, believe it or not. I like the way the car wraps around you.
Get what you want. Look at it this way. If your car does crankwalk...you can add forged internals and be better off.

 

[DSM_Otaku]

Crankwalk is rarer then you think in the 2g's. People make it out to be a worldwide epidemic thats gonna end mankind as we know it. This isn't the case. Don't let C/W do the decision making for you.

AGREED. definately true. saying you don't want to buy a 2G because its crank might go for a walk is like saying you don't want to buy a car made out of metal because it might rust away some day.

crankwalk is overrated. almost as bad as Honda's VTEC.

base your new car decision on the chassis capability, HP per dollar, and any tuning/daily driving goals you might have.

 

[nightspeed87]

2g eclipse are mad stylish but personally i chose the 1st gen ### in my city you see them less and my whole thing is to not be driven somethin that is common. I like goin incognito. Besides first gens are lighter than 2nd gens and they can handle more on their bov and turbos so basically have more inital potiential, (not that the 2ndgen cant be lighteneded or upgraded in performance) and plus yea the 6bolt is a better weapon of choice, even though i havent actually known anyone with crankwalk and i gotta lot of eclipse friends so i duno. The good thing bout 2nd gens though is you can find more parts for them and cheaper than in the older models, so just think it thru. But drive somethin that makes you feel like you and not ### ## driven somethin ### someone told you which is better.

 

[Bo0O0ostedDSM]

If you really like 2g's, just go ahead and get one. I completely agree with the above said statements... deciding not to get a 2g because you are worried about developing crankwalk would be foolish.

 

[OneBadBlackGsx]

I would say go for a 2g chances are that you will be changing the motor sometime in the future anyway and as number of people said befor crank walk isn't as common as you think it is ... I had a 97 awd Talon the thing I loved about it was that not a lot of people knew about the car it was like a sleeper.... But I always liked the eclipse better personally....

 

[blak92awd]

when i decided to get an eclipse, i wanted a 2g bad mainly because they looked like sex yet it was hard to find one for the right price. i got a 1g instead and could never be more satisfied. they grow on u real quick and as for crankwalk, i heard somewhere that its like 7% actually get it. its not that common as people say. good luck on any purchase you choose.

 

[TheRealist]

Crankwalk Is So Overrated!

 

[president95]

Don't taunt the C word... If a 2g is what you're into, go for it! I couldn't talk myself out of one...

 

[Mitsubishified]

Everybody is so afraid of crankwalk in 2g's. One of our fellow dsmers the sickness has a 2g that has 180,000 miles on it and no sign of cw period. The other parts of the car are breaking before his motor is haha. Bottom line if you like 2g's get a 2g. Personally i like the 1g so i have a 92 talon awd. Its all in the tastes that you have, besides if a 2g ever did cw you would have an excuse to do a six bolt swap

 

[NOFX0617]

If and Eclipse or Talon is what you really want then get it. I had an RS before I got my GSX and everyone wondered why I was buying a car with the same body style as the one I already had. But I love my car...everytime I walk up to it I think to myself "Man that is a sexy beast" but I would love to have a 1G as well. Figure out which one suits you better and dont be afraid of CW. Good luck.

 

[import1]

depends on how much money you want to spend and goals and such. 1g's are older and bound to have parts that need replaced and can be a pain sometimes. the newer 2gs wont have the little things breaking on you. saying that both are dsms and will break . its all preference really, i have a 1g and love it, but i also had a 2g before that and they are a sexy car. both can be fast so go with which one you like better.

 

[DSMunknown]

where is that "Do not ask if this or that DSM is a good buy or not" thread? i can't seem to find it anywhere. it seems appropiate to post the link.

 

[ericbev]

Crankwalk is majorly overhyped and often misdiagnosed. Not to mention the fact that 90% of the 2Gs out there already have high enough mileage to give you a nice buffer zone from it.

Every time I see a new member come in here asking this question, CW is always the obligatory ending statement. If you like 2Gs, take your time in finding a clean un-modded one, and buy smart.

2G or 1G, you cant really go wrong.

 

[knighteclipse1]

Crankwalk?? I wouldn't worry about it. Like its been said above, its very over diagnosed as a problem. Don't fix it if it ain't broke has been used way too many times by mechanics, but ya know what? I agree with it in this instance. If your really concerned about things like that, then maybe a DSM isn't the car for you anyway. A ford or chevy maybe the route you want to go (easy to fix and cheap parts) ericbev is correct though, get an UNMODDED car. You'll thank us for that piece of advice later...good luck in your decisions.

 

[2DaTrakNow]

The only thing i regret about getting my 2g over a 1g is that i paid 6k for mine, and it looks super sexy!!! black...tinted windows.......chrome rims.....body kit.....the whole nine yards!! and it was cool for the first few weeks ya know, all of the attention i got, and everytime i shut my door and walked away i just drooled over it. But now....i kind of wish i would have paid half of that and gotten a less sexy AWD 1st gen, and then i could have dumped the extra $3000 into performance parts!

Honeslty though, dont worry about crankwalk like many people have mentioned. Just go with what you like better. You want looks+speed then get a FWD or AWD 2g. If you want speed+money which = speed + more speed, then get a 1g and dump you money into it. I am just a diehard fan of fast stuff, and when i bought my car, looks almost seemed as important as speed and power but now i realize that i would have gotten something that looked worse but gave me more money in my pocket. To others though, looks are more important and a 1g would be completely out of the picture. So, its up to you man! just dont rush into anything.

And i dont want anybody to think that i am saying 1g's cant look good, and that 2g's cant be fast. I am not saying that by any means at all!!!!! I am just saying that with a given amount of money, you could get a 1g for cheaper and make it faster than you could a 2g. Also, the opposite of that, if you wanted looks then you could get the 2g.

 

[ken06]

If you've got the money then get a 2g, but if not get a 1g. In my opinion get AWD if possible, it is the only choice for me. However I'm one of those people who got a 2g for 6k and now wish I got a 1g for 3k and had all that extra money to spend on mods, especially considering it comes with a better turbo. It is a DSM looks aren't a high priority, if money permits get newer one.

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

I agree alot with what people are saying, except I see nothing wrong with buying a modded car from someone if they put alot of money into the car, maintained it well (Synthethetic oi, etc..).

Because most cars that are NOT modded have the original, HIGH MILEAGE engine that's getting ready to take a crap. Even a modded car with high mileage engine is cool. Because you won't have to spend the money on the mods, just building the engine.

Why? Because you will mod it anyway. And the original engine is probably gonna need replaced within 1-3 years anyway. Especially a 7 bolt (93 on up, as even 1G 7 bolts have weaker rods and crankshaft).

So if you can find a modded car, you are saving a few grand. Then all you will have to do is build the engine. If you find a modded car with a rebuilt engine, then you are set for quite some time. Assuming it's a good engine, and maintained, that would be the ideal car to have.

Know what I mean?

Everybody wants to get an unmodded, "unabused dsm". Well stock DSM's get abused plenty. It's just that you can usually buy it cheaper in stock form, that's the REAL reason I think people want them stock. In the long run, it's probably cheaper to buy a modded DSM with a 6 bolt in it, then buying a stock car with 1XXX,XXX miles on it, having to replace the transmission, engine, turbo, clutch, and then come up with money to mod it.

If I could do it all over again, I would try to find one already modded and with a 6 bolt in it. Save me from having to go thru all the bullshit and learning the hardway and trying to find a good mechanic, and good deals on engines and exhausts, and on and on. Why not start out with a head start?

 

[president95]

^^^ I wanted a stock (or very close to) dsm so I could do the mods, go through the headaches, find the deals, and be proud of MY WORK and MY CAR, not someone elses. Plus that way i didn't have to make someone elses headache my own.

 

[Spoolin4Ever]

^^^ I wanted a stock (or very close to) dsm so I could do the mods, go through the headaches, find the deals, and be proud of MY WORK and MY CAR, not someone elses. Plus that way i didn't have to make someone elses headache my own.

Yeah I know what you mean, I realize pride in a job well done, and blood sweat and tears put into it, I can relate to that. I wasn't saying YOU specifically viewed thing in any particular way, or knocking you, so please don't misunderstand me as being a dick here. Just trying to put out another way of looking at it.

And when you buy a used car, other peoples headaches can be yours, stock or modded.

Here's the basis of my view (nothing to do with anyone else's):
Basically what it comes down to is I used to own a 93. I bought it all stock w/99K on it.

Right after I bought it, I noticed shifting into 2nd was hard, so I put BM Sychromesh in the tranny based on DSM'rs advice.

I drove it for a year (kinda hard, I admit) and put about 30K on it in that year.

The turbo went out at about 125K miles, the tranny starting going out at about 130K, and then it threw a rod at 132K.

So I had to replace all that stuff, then start modding afterwards. Well that takes alot out of your wallet, so now I have to wait to mod it. At least if it would have been modded, I would have just replaced the Turbo/engine/tranny/clucth, and then be set for 300 HP. Instead I've got alot more money in it then it's worth, and still only just basic mods.

But it's a toss up either way, and both have advantages and disadvantages.

 

[knighteclipse1]

The problem with a already modded car is that most of the time you don't know the quality of the work involved. But even if you do. Common' now... we all know that it was probably run like a bat out of hell. Especially with the more mod's involved. I think if you want to purchase a modded car then by all means do so. But don't get mad when you discover its on its last legs. Most people which put a large amount of mod's on a car won't get rid of it until they feel they have gotten their use out of it. Maybe if they only have a CAI and maybe strut bar or something like that then maybe I'd consider it. I think its just a gamble and roll of the dice buying a modded car. But too each his own....good luck in your decision.