What cars are there besides a 2g worth buying?

[91Bomb]

I've been racking my brain for months now trying to decide what to buy other than a '97 a/t gs-t.
Are there any other 4cy 2 door coupes worth considering that compare or even comes semi-close in terms of fun, stock performance and style that would cost less money? 7-8k for a '97+ would put me about 3-4k in debt. So far the only car I've been considering is an Avenger V6 but I have a feeling the handling will fall way too short of what I'm used to with my 1g -- has anyone driven one of these cars? Impressions? One downside I can already think of is if it ever needed any extensive repairs there aren't any shops that deal exclusively with these cars and I'd be stuck going to joe mechanic which will cost me in terms of quality service and headaches.

If I get the 2g will I miss the low and fast spooling 13g that I now have in my 1g? I raced quite a few stock 2g's with my mostly stock 1g and from a standstill without brake boosting I always leaped out ahead 3-4 car lengths and It would take the 2g almost a block before it would catch and walk away from me. I don't brake boost because I like to be a gentleman and give the other guy a head start before that little turbo kicks in fast and furious : The 13g is very good in some situations like when you're at a red light side by side with another car/suv and across the inresection those 2 lanes merge into 1 -- that low and fast spool gives the quick power surge that's needed. There are other around town situations such as that one when the 13g is more advantagous than the t25 or bigger. The smaller turbo provides a more heightened 'turbo rush' but on the other hand the 2g pulls noticeably harder once the extra lag is overcome which of course would be welcomed at other times. Maybe I'm making too much of this difference because after all I've never driven a 2g and that extra 25 HP to start with would be a big plus.

Does the the 1 and 2g's handle the same? When the 2g's 1st came out I remember an article that mentioned that the 2g was more nimble because the chasis had been stiffened. What difference is noticed in handling if any between the 1 and 2g's?
Is the 1g better in any handling situations? How does ride quality compare? Does the 2g have a double-wishbone rear suspension? Are the brakes improved? Are the 2g ECU's any better? Paint fade? Any other differences worth knowing about before I dump my 1g and possibly get a 2g? Lots of questions because I loved my 1g for the past 8 yrs and need to know if the 2g will not disapoint.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

I've been racking my brain for months now trying to decide what to buy other than a '97 a/t gs-t.
Are there any other 4cy 2 door coupes worth considering that compare or even comes semi-close in terms of fun, stock performance and style that would cost less money? 7-8k for a '97+ would put me about 3-4k in debt. So far the only car I've been considering is an Avenger V6 but I have a feeling the handling will fall way too short of what I'm used to with my 1g -- has anyone driven one of these cars? Impressions? One downside I can already think of is if it ever needed any extensive repairs there aren't any shops that deal exclusively with these cars and I'd be stuck going to joe mechanic which will cost me in terms of quality service and headaches.

If I get the 2g will I miss the low and fast spooling 13g that I now have in my 1g? I raced quite a few stock 2g's with my mostly stock 1g and from a standstill without brake boosting I always leaped out ahead 3-4 car lengths and It would take the 2g almost a block before it would catch and walk away from me. I don't brake boost because I like to be a gentleman and give the other guy a head start before that little turbo kicks in fast and furious : The 13g is very good in some situations like when you're at a red light side by side with another car/suv and across the inresection those 2 lanes merge into 1 -- that low and fast spool gives the quick power surge that's needed. There are other around town situations such as that one when the 13g is more advantagous than the t25 or bigger. The smaller turbo provides a more heightened 'turbo rush' but on the other hand the 2g pulls noticeably harder once the extra lag is overcome which of course would be welcomed at other times. Maybe I'm making too much of this difference because after all I've never driven a 2g and that extra 25 HP to start with would be a big plus.

Does the the 1 and 2g's handle the same? When the 2g's 1st came out I remember an article that mentioned that the 2g was more nimble because the chasis had been stiffened. What difference is noticed in handling if any between the 1 and 2g's?
Is the 1g better in any handling situations? How does ride quality compare? Does the 2g have a double-wishbone rear suspension? Are the brakes improved? Are the 2g ECU's any better? Paint fade? Any other differences worth knowing about before I dump my 1g and possibly get a 2g? Lots of questions because I loved my 1g for the past 8 yrs and need to know if the 2g will not disapoint.

1: avengers are (framewise and somewhat suspension wise) identical twins of 2gs so they will handle similarly.

2: the t25 spools at (on my manul)low 2000rpm range(2100-2300rpms) on my auto it spools instantly, lets just say its at full spool before I finish mashing the throttle.

3: 2g a/ts have 205hp and 220tq with good torque and decent response, but when compared to my old 5 speed gst its kinda gutless(mostly because of the 3.9 final drive compared to the 4.10 in 5speed and the fact that a a/t awd weighs about 500-600 pounds more then my old gst) although when I mash the pedal when the trans kicks in the car goes pretty good.

4: 2gs on average handle better than 1gs being as though they are wider lower and the suspension is redesigned as well, granted they arent the best handling car out there but pretty good Id say.

Overall I think youll be happy in stock form whatever a 1g has the 2g is supposedly better i.e hp/tq, handling, fuel economy...that and the stock a/t is also a little stronger. The only advantage I see a 1g has over a 2g is a manul 1g has better top end with the 14b, and for 5 speed guys they dont have to worry about cw(over exaggerated and not very likely at all on auto). As far as fingin a cheaper 2dr a/t car I would say for the money I dont think there is much out there that can compare other then a really old stang(mid 80s fox body) or t/a or camaro....
Andrew

 

[91Bomb]

1: avengers are (framewise and somewhat suspension wise) identical twins of 2gs so they will handle similarly.

2: the t25 spools at (on my manul)low 2000rpm range(2100-2300rpms) on my auto it spools instantly, lets just say its at full spool before I finish mashing the throttle.

3: 2g a/ts have 205hp and 220tq with good torque and decent response, but when compared to my old 5 speed gst its kinda gutless(mostly because of the 3.9 final drive compared to the 4.10 in 5speed and the fact that a a/t awd weighs about 500-600 pounds more then my old gst) although when I mash the pedal when the trans kicks in the car goes pretty good.

4: 2gs on average handle better than 1gs being as though they are wider lower and the suspension is redesigned as well, granted they arent the best handling car out there but pretty good Id say.

Overall I think youll be happy in stock form whatever a 1g has the 2g is supposedly better i.e hp/tq, handling, fuel economy...that and the stock a/t is also a little stronger. The only advantage I see a 1g has over a 2g is a manul 1g has better top end with the 14b, and for 5 speed guys they dont have to worry about cw(over exaggerated and not very likely at all on auto). As far as fingin a cheaper 2dr a/t car I would say for the money I dont think there is much out there that can compare other then a really old stang(mid 80s fox body) or t/a or camaro....
Andrew

Appreciate the reply. WAS thinking of trading the 1g for a 5.0 mustang a few years ago and am really glad I didn't. The gas mileage with my lead foot would've bankrupt me along with rear tires that I'd disinergrate. I like the turbo rush and fwd anyhow. There's a nice looking camaro for sale in my neighborhood but I'll pass on it unlesss gas drops to $1.00 a gallon :

 

[Billios996]

You are from NJ. We have snow. RWD sucks, AWD Rules! A lady down the street from me is selling a 95/96 Talon TSi AWD AT. Black, stock, low miles, cherry. PM me if you want more info.

I have a 97 Talon AWD AT with a Big28 and all supporting mods. I love it now (116k miles) more that when it was new. Paint is great, handling is great, 22mpg, pulls like a raped ape from stoplights, and chicks still dig it (when it's clean anyway ). OBD2 ECU does suck compared to the 1g. You get less data from a Pocketlogger. However, DSMLink easily makes up for that

Find a low mileage, well maintained 2g, you will be happy!

My Baby

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Bill

 

[shizzyx]

I have owned a 91 TSI Awd, Loved it. I still would love this car but I spun the front balancer bearing thus toasting the balance shaft belt (domino effect).... that belt broke and wound it's self into the timing belt and broke it which inturn bent my valves and crapped the head.

So I had the engine rebuilt and sold it on dsmtrader.com for a profit to cover the car and rebuild price.

I still have the body and dreams to do something with it. (or sell it).

Now my driver is a 96 Avenger ES 2.5 dohc 24v V6 with 4spd auto tranny. Handles great.
I do not recommend the Non 'ES' Avenger unless you want the 5spd and a 4cyl. Which I hear are moddable. The 2.5 gives the car decent speed and response.

ES also gives you alloy 16" wheels, 205-55-R16's , pwr moonroof, pwr locks, windows, seat, mirros, leather, spoiler (which is completly disfunctional but sets off the rear end), and Keyless.
NOTE: There are slight body design differences in the 95-97 compared to the 98+. Front end is more of a sharp pointy design and the rear underbumber grooves are pointer. (I prefer the flow of design on the 1G avengers.)

 

[Just Nasty]

You are from NJ. We have snow. RWD sucks, AWD Rules! A lady down the street from me is selling a 95/96 Talon TSi AWD AT. Black, stock, low miles, cherry. PM me if you want more info.

I have a 97 Talon AWD AT with a Big28 and all supporting mods. I love it now (116k miles) more that when it was new. Paint is great, handling is great, 22mpg, pulls like a raped ape from stoplights, and chicks still dig it (when it's clean anyway ). OBD2 ECU does suck compared to the 1g. You get less data from a Pocketlogger. However, DSMLink easily makes up for that

Find a low mileage, well maintained 2g, you will be happy!

My Baby

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Bill

I was so hoping you were going to say the car in the pic was for sale

 

[Billios996]

Sorry for the teaser I take that as a compliment

It may be up for sale in another year or two. Or I may keep it for a project car and buy some econobox commuter car.
It's all irrelevant since I'm currently I'm saving for a house, so my Talon will be my only means of transport for a long time. Real estate in NJ is uber-expensive ($300k for a pos starter home or townhouse) which makes the downpayment extremely difficult to accumulate.

The 95/6 Talon AWD down the street is still for sale though. I will vouch for it, super kleen!
Throw a 97 Talon front bumper on there and you are stylin'!

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

billos Im jealous of your paint, whuile mine is nice yours is awsome like my old 95 gst...I cant wait to slap a 97-98 talon front bumper and rear spoiler on my gsx....but all jokes aside awd dsm's are nice(no where near as quick in stock form as my old gst was but by far no slouch). I went from a dead stand still and mashed the pedal and all I have is a k and n panel filter and lower ic pipe and wow 0-60 was much better then the old gst...the only downfall is the initial split second when it delays going. otherwise I probly went 0-60 in less then 6 secs....

 

[Billios996]

I wasn't so fond of the color when I first bought it, but the deal was too good to pass up. The maroon has grown on me, though. When it's glossed and polished, the paint looks so deep, as if you can dive into it.
I can't wait for the spring so I can clean her up again

Bill

 

[91Bomb]

Bill, nice car and the paint is pretty sweet.

I'll have to pass on that awd 2g. I'm currently looking for either a '92-94 TSI or '91-94 GST fwd.
Since my 1g tsi went up in flames

:see post: www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1366711

I really regret it starting today. I wish I had gotten the motor rebuilt mths ago w/ 8.5 forged pistons and other strong internals and then bought all new tires, struts, brakes, boost + egt gauges and a datalogger and a few other things. I could've done all this for around 4-4.5K. I stupidly ruled this out some time back as an option and today I wish I hadn't.

Yesterday I test drove a POS '97 GST fwd at Acura of Langhorne, PA. Not saying that 2g's are POS's but this one was. I drive 45 miles to PA. because the salesman tells me to come down there and when I get there he says the car is going to idle and run rough because it needs ? 2 injectors ? What are the odds that 2 injectors are bad on a stock 91,000 mi GST at the same time and couldn't he have told me this over the phone?!
It was a complete scam because he wanted me to leave a $50 deposit so as to hold the car while his mechanics get it into "100% shape mechanicaly". His scam was that he had me believing that when I come back in a few days AFTER the work was done I would be able to reject the car FOR ANY REASON and get my 50 bucks back.
Sounds fair enough -- the paint/body/interior/chrome wheels were in top shape and it was black with the high spoler.
So he draws up the paperwork and instead of looking at a deposit agreement he's got the total price of the car + tax listed and I'm like He breaks into some sort of demented X-files logic and suddenly I'm starting to feel like Scully when Moulder hits her with his 'confuse and bone' tactics that never quite work. Luckily all I got was confused

Anyhow I decided against going into debt with buying a 2g when I could get another 1g. Did a nationwide autotrader search for a fwd tsi/gst and found nothing -- very depressing. If anyone knows of a fwd tsi/gst A/T '92-94 please let me know.

 

[Billios996]

skip the fwd and find an AWD. You won't regret it

Bill