what are some of your track times?

[siueclipse]

does any NT /with TURBO guys have any results?

Thanx
James

 

[legaleagle]

Most of the results ARE 420A w/Turbo times. Only two of us posted with 4g times.

 

[2fast420a]

If it's that important to you I suggest two places

times.dsm.org

and

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/quartermilelist.php

But I'm sure you already knew that.

If your looking for a 420a running 9.3 1/8th with a 13.5 1/4mile then I would suggest www.magiccars.com/not/gonna/happen.html

 

[mavisky]

here's two of my best trap speeds.

full tank, subs, 93 octane, 15psi, bald street tires, blown shocks, 60degrees, 10:17pm,june 19th

60'---2.421
1/8---9.618
mph--80.68
1/4---14.489
mph--103.42

driver's seat only, headlight removed, 1/4 tank of 106,same tires and shocks, 16psi (limited due to manifold/turbo flange gap), and very slow building boost, 85 degrees 9:08am july 21 (shootout run)

60'---2.344
1/8---9.207
mph--82.72
1/4---14.025 (so close to the 13's)
mph--104.35

 

[97eclipsedGS]

hopefully i will be able to post up some times soon... im still breaking in my setup and my new clutch and tranny... so it will be something to compare... im thinkin mid 14.

nice run, james... im lookin for big things out of that car! peace...

 

[siueclipse]

times see to be about with mine, coodl. thanx for the replies

hey mavisky, your times see a little odd to me. if youre running 16psi of boost and only running a 9.2, then i think thats odd. cause i ran it in 9.03 on about 8psi of boost with a spike to 13.. something like that. not near as much boost but faster. i quess the difference comes in because of our difference in mods.

James

 

[2fast420a]

Actually it sounds like you have something wrong with your setup somewhere. I have not seen a turbo fall off boost like that since the T25. I thought you were running at the track today to show us a 13.5 timeslip? I cheacked www.weather.com and even called a local St Louis radio station. He said the sky was clear all day long with maybe a few clouds.

So, how did you do champ?

BTW mavisys times are about right for the setup he has. Good job mavisky!!! Looking at your mods it is cool to see you make a N/A fast with not having to dump all the money in the world into it. Get your 60 foot times down and your going to be on fire!

 

[StoPLiGht Champ]

I am waiting for him to post a "real" timeslip also, I have been watching this drama for awhile and I would like to see how it unfolds

 

[adiea]

Originally posted by StoPLiGht Champ
I am waiting for him to post a "real" timeslip also, I have been watching this drama for awhile and I would like to see how it unfolds

Me too

 

[siueclipse]

I didn't go tonight because on Friday night at the 1/8th mile track, i was kicked off due to an oil leak. We tried to fix the leak last night so I could go to the track tonight, but after about 7 hours and the time being 3am, we were exhausted and didn't finish. We found out I blew an o-ring where the two block halfs come together. Talk about a pain in the ass, we had to remove the bottom half of the block without disturbing anything. Im about to head over to the shop now and finish up, but it probably wont be done tonight either. I guess youll all have to wait for the next time gateway is running. I could have gone, but I didn't really see the point of spending 5 hours driving and wasting about $50 bux if I was going to be kicked off their track. Also, I need to get the Vortech SFMU so I can run more boost.

I will post a time slip as soon as I go.

Oh and toofast.. i think that you and I were in a miscommunication, when I said my car will do better than 14 down the track, I was talking about running 15psi of boost, not 8 like I have been.

James

 

[2fast420a]

Actually you said that you spike to 13psi and then drop to 8psi. I don't see your FMU causing that situation. The FMU is not a boost controller. You may want to see if you have a bigger problem. Because if your spiking 5psi at a time then you don't want to be running 15-18psi with those kind of spikes. The last thing you need is to spike to 20+ psi on pump gas.

BTW It says your from Carbondale and the Gateway International Raceway is 2 hours from Carbondale. I called them and it's 15 bucks for you to race. Also they have an event on July 11 that is all night long. You should look into that.

I look forward to seeing your timeslip.

 

[siueclipse]

Hey man, you just don't understand. I run too rich past 10psi of boost because my injectors are larger than the craptech and handle. So.. I can't control my fuel pressure under full boost which means I can't raise the boost. If I did raise my boost, i wouldn't go anywhere because our cars tend not to like 200psi of fuel pressure when only 80 or 90 is needed. My craptech is failing on me which is cuasing my spikes because my fuel pressure isn't constant.

I know how long it takes to get to gateway asshole, its 2 and a half hours. Granted yes only 15 bux to get in.. but did you ever think of other expenses? gas, food, girlfriend coming along? damn your ignorant, yup.. its about a $50 night.

You need to stop acting like a toddler, I said I would post time slips when I have them, deal with it and just wait or go stand in a corner with a dunce hat on.

 

[2fast420a]

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Hey man, you just don't understand. I run too rich past 10psi of boost because my injectors are larger than the craptech and handle. So.. I can't control my fuel pressure under full boost which means I can't raise the boost. If I did raise my boost, i wouldn't go anywhere because our cars tend not to like 200psi of fuel pressure when only 80 or 90 is needed. My craptech is failing on me which is cuasing my spikes because my fuel pressure isn't constant.

What I see that is odd is the fact that your the only 420a person who seems to have these issues. I got on your case because you started getting all theoretical about your times.

I know how long it takes to get to gateway asshole, its 2 and a half hours. Granted yes only 15 bux to get in.. but did you ever think of other expenses? gas, food, girlfriend coming along? damn your ignorant, yup.. its about a $50 night.

Actually unless your a total moron it should not take you more than 2 hours to get from Carbondale to GIR. It takes 2 hours 18 min to get to St Loius and thats at least 20 minutes from gateway. As for the money I can't imagine gateway would cost that much more than the 1/8th mile track your running at. You still have to eat and you still have to take your girlfriend. As for the oil leak I see your point. I'm just pointing out the fact that you seem to have more problems then just the FMU. I know if I were you and had all the mechanical problems you have had with the times you have had and the money you have spent. I would fire the shop mechanic that is building your car.

You need to stop acting like a toddler, I said I would post time slips when I have them, deal with it and just wait or go stand in a corner with a dunce hat on.

Your the one that starts acting like a child when I call you on your BS. You start cussing and calling people names. I'm just pointing out the flaws in your logic and you cannot take the critisizm. Welcome to the real world where people are not always impressed by what you have or what you think your car can do.

 

[RSTsoon]

"Like boys with toys" .....anyways, it sounds like you two had something bad happen in the past but lets not get into that. I am also looking forward to seeing your time slip.

 

[DSMNightmare]

I used to live in C'dale and I used to make it in slightly less than 2 hours. I'll agree it can get expensive to race at gateway though. After all is said and done you are looking at 40-45 bucks to race and eat. So I sorta see SIUs point. Benton was a little cheaper to get in because girls get in free and gas would cost about half.

 

[2fast420a]

Originally posted by DSMNightmare
I used to live in C'dale and I used to make it in slightly less than 2 hours. I'll agree it can get expensive to race at gateway though. After all is said and done you are looking at 40-45 bucks to race and eat. So I sorta see SIUs point. Benton was a little cheaper to get in because girls get in free and gas would cost about half.

Welcome to the real world of racing. It's not for the cheap and not for the weak at heart.

 

[StoPLiGht Champ]

Originally posted by siueclipse
Hey man, you just don't understand. I run too rich past 10psi of boost because my injectors are larger than the craptech and handle. So.. I can't control my fuel pressure under full boost which means I can't raise the boost. If I did raise my boost, i wouldn't go anywhere because our cars tend not to like 200psi of fuel pressure when only 80 or 90 is needed. My craptech is failing on me which is cuasing my spikes because my fuel pressure isn't constant.

Im confused here. The more boost you run the richer it gets cause you have bigger injectors? That is a good thing right? Also are you saying that because your fuel pressure isnt staying constant, you are getting boost spikes? Hopefully you can clear this up for me.

One last thing, You have like $10,000 in your car and your complaining about $50 to go to the track?

 

[siueclipse]

Time is now 6:48am. Just got home. No more oil leaks.

Im not complaining about 50 bux to go to the track. Im simply stating that I don't want to waste the money if I get kicked off. Know what I mean? How do you think I have what I have? Its by not wasting money.

The hahn fmu has a bad problem when you change the injectors from stock. The fmu starts adding way too much fuel for the boost that is being ran. 200psi of fuel pressure at 12lbs of boost is way way too much. It should be at like 100 at best with 310cc injectors. You can't turn it down either, the boost fuel pressure valve does absolutely nothing (at least with mine). HAHN even admits that there is a problem with them when trying to go with larger injectors. Their recommendation is to run an afc to lean it out. I don't think thats necessary as long as the proper fuel curve is obtained by the proper fmu, which in my case is the sfmu that im about to put on. The larger injector you go, the less fuel pressure you have to run whether it be at idle or at boost compared to stock fuel injectors. HAHN says to run 115psi of fuel pressure for 10lbs of boost on stock injectors. If the injectors are 310cc compared to 220cc, then not as much fuel pressure is needed to get the same amount of fuel, but the hahn fmu doesn't letting you adjust the fuel under boost. When i floor my car at 11lbs of boost, I smack 100psi of fuel pressure and burry the needle before im at full throttle. On 5lbs of boost im hitting 85psi of fuel pressure, which (according to hahn and I, because we have discussed this), is being doubled when i hit 10lbs of boost, and then even higher if I go higher in boost. So thats about 200psi of fuel pressure when i really only need about 100psi at 11 to 12lbs of boost. This is the reason hahn is changing their entire fuel setup in their new line of turbo kits. Get what im saying here?

And actually, the reason for the boost spike was because my exhaust was on (stock size but without the res or cat, long flex pipe in place). After cleaning the air filter this morning and taking the exhaust back off, (going to get 3" put on today), the car ran a solid 11psi of boost with no spiking, however im still running way too ruch. My air fuel reads about 102 at full throttle. It should be around 91 to 93 (apexi TT), and it does backfire a little at full throttle.

There is nothing wrong with my car besides the fact that the hahn fmu sucks and can't deliver the type of control i want in the fuel system.

Does everyone understand what im saying here? Sorry if im rambling but ive been awake for nearly 24 hours now, and im not going to bed till tonight.

James

 

[2fast420a]

Stock exhaust????? Holy $hit, your lucky you have not had more problems before now.

 

[legaleagle]

2fast,

I see you on here talking a lot of crap but have yet to see your times. You have all this stuff done to your car yet you have nothing to show for it. Just wondering why you are so down on SIU when you have yet to "put up". I think its time for you to show us some numbers too. How much have you thrown into your NA to get to where you are?

 

[siueclipse]

hehe its cool not being able to see your posts rich..

i can see that you have posted on the main page, but i dont see anything here.

 

[DSM-ZERO]

Let the man FIX his fuel and up the boost and run a 1/4 mile time all this flamming he has fuel problems once he gets that cartech out of there and gets a S-FMU he should be fine. Siue, run slicks if you have them. Then post your time, you should try to get a 60 foot lower than a 2.00.

 

[legaleagle]

Thats too bad cause I am actually stickin up for your Silly @$$. Dont know why though, your still a tool.

 

[2fast420a]

How am I talking crap legal? Care to explain. I'm not bragging about my times nor do I plan to. I was bitching about the bench racing and the coulda, shoulda, woulda, bullshit. I don't need times to enjoy my car. Like I said in the past I built my car for street use and last time I checked there were no timetrials or trees on the 405.

Money is irrelavent because I'm not about numbers. I had a shop build my car so I don't feel it is relevant to post up my times when I'm basically driving someone elses car. Also I purchased most of my parts for wholesale so I would say that I have less than SIU has in his car as far as parts go.

So to answer your questions no I have not run my car at the track yet and I really do not have any plans to. Why don't you keep this thread on track legal and leave the conversation to us N/T boys. Quit picking on the 420a boys don't you have something better to do? I realize your faster than us here but were not trying to be like you.

 

[siueclipse]

actually, i think some of the 420a's here are faster than legal's

just playin around rich, but you know its true hehe