Want to know everything that I will need to do a timing belt job.

[4gfun]

I want to order from a vendor, but don't want to get hit with shipping or handling twice.

I am doing my front case right now so I need a variety of things, but again want to minimize my ordering.

I already have the Gates Timing Belt kit along with the $100 OEM Tensioner.

At this point, I am guessing that I have everything that I need except for the right tools.

Please let me know if getting this kit below will ensure that I need absolutely nothing else for this job besides typical hand tools:

Jay Racing Timing Belt Tools Kit : JNZ Tuning

Thanks!

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

Oh the simplicity of installing the timing belt while on a engine stand!

I doubt I would do one in chassis.

I Don't get what's so hard about it in chassis? Especially with the timing tools. Only time I have issues is with my evo cams trying to remember just how many teeth I moved the gears. Lol

 

[4gfun]

Thanks good people. I have replaced a timing belt before on lesser vehicles, but there is just so much information available I have to wonder if that is a bad thing....they say it never is.

 

[98talonblack]

Oem only[/QUOTE]

Are you saying a gates isnt a good choice?

 

[TurboLaserRS]

98talonblack Gates is fine. Gates is the OEM manufacturer for a lot of companies and their quality is perfectly fine. It's what I run and I've got 14k miles so far on my very first timing job on an interference motor. The fear mongering for OE only comes from the Autoparts stores brands that didn't even have the right tooth counts on the belts. Gates isn't one of those, though it can be had at most auto parts stores now adays. Rockauto.com is your friend for gates belts.

I can personally attest to the zip tie method. I had my friend use two wrenches to turn the cam gears toward eachother and get them aligned. I slip the belt into the correct position, and used about 3 or 4 zip ties per gear and got them TIGHT. Then I had him let go and it was perfectly aligned and I went about my business with the oilpump/balance shaft sprocket and the crank.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Oem only

Are you saying a gates isnt a good choice?[/QUOTE]

Not for the tensioner.

 

[TurboLaserRS]

That's true- I do run a new OEM tensioner. I got mine off mitsubishiparts.net and it was a good 30 dollars cheaper than anywhere else at the time.

 

[KNS23]

Bought this kit for my car: CRP Contitech inches TB167 168K2 Timing Belt Kit | eBay

The OEM tensioner looked fine and wasn't leaking any fluid, so it got re-used. Also bought a GMB water pump as they're reasonably-priced and made in Japan. I had to save as much money as possible as I bought the car with a broken belt and, conveniently, 16 bent valves.

 

[TurboLaserRS]

Bent valve specials are how a lot of DSMers got started, myself included. I replaced the head with a Hyundai Elantra 1.6L head, so I got a little extra compression as a bonus. Bought the head in literally brand new condition on tooners, and the rest of my parts from rockauto. I got an airtex waterpump for around 18 dollars iirc.

I also feel that even though your tensioner looked fine, I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it. As light as they are I can probably throw it fairly far. Once it comes off the car it ain't going back on.

 

[4gfun]

Yep, my start was with bent valves on a previous DSM. I'll never forget it!

 

[4gfun]

The only "special tools" I use on timing belts anymore are 2 paper clips and this special wrench for the tensioner pulley.

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STM: 4G63 SPANNER WRENCH | 98700

How big are those paper clips? I am actually looking at a small one right now. I guess that I need whatever size is big enough to go around the cam gears and belt if I understand correctly, but would rather try to figure it out before running to office depot. Thanks

 

[DSM1G90]

I have replaced a timing belt before on lesser vehicles

Really, there is no such thing as a 'lesser' vehicle..all OHC vehicles has to have the chain/belt done right and correctly to get the motor to run at its best. Any flub in the procedure can be costly.

Just that the 4G63 has a dual step adjustment procedure due to the auto tensioner.

One needs to to belts on motors of some European vehicles to really get some experience in. The Japanese made it simple to do.

Like to see some users do the belt on a DOHC 6G72 (3.0L V-6) motor that's in a Mitsu 3000GT-VR4

-DSM

 

[nickxf250]

The 3000gt isn't that bad. Just gotta have the moon in the right phase with your jaw set just right while holding on to your lucky hens teeth with your sixth hand... Then and only then will all the timing marks line up.

 

[SonySlave]

How big are those paper clips? I am actually looking at a small one right now. I guess that I need whatever size is big enough to go around the cam gears and belt if I understand correctly, but would rather try to figure it out before running to office depot. Thanks

I think they are about an inch wide or so. "Medium sized" I guess. Not the really small ones but not the huge ones either.

 

[4gfun]

Really, there is no such thing as a 'lesser' vehicle..all OHC vehicles has to have the chain/belt done right and correctly to get the motor to run at its best. Any flub in the procedure can be costly.

Just that the 4G63 has a dual step adjustment procedure due to the auto tensioner.

One needs to to belts on motors of some European vehicles to really get some experience in. The Japanese made it simple to do.

Like to see some users do the belt on a DOHC 6G72 (3.0L V-6) motor that's in a Mitsu 3000GT-VR4

-DSM

"Lesser" depends on your viewpoint, but to each their own. I was referring to my Escort GT. I cheaped out on components and the timing belt let go 5k miles after the job, but it didn't bend the valves. Maybe I should have called it "greater". Lol!

 

[4gfun]

I think they are about an inch wide or so. "Medium sized" I guess. Not the really small ones but not the huge ones either.

Yeah, I know that is a tough question to answer . I guess I might just have to be that weird guy who brings his cam gear in to Office Depot.

 

[4gfun]

Did u get oem out of preference because Im buying a 65$ gates tensioner i figured it was better because it was gates?

Sorry if you were talking to me and I missed this. I have a thread out on this and was advised to simply get an OEM part. I didn't know about the Gates part.

 

[4gfun]

Check the pulley's and make sure the bearings aren't bad. If they don't spin smooth, then replace them.

Check the tensioner pulley arm. Does the spot where the tensioner push on the arm look worn? If so replace it.

The jay racing timing tools are good to have!
I would recommend getting your belt on and using zip ties to hold it on and then use the cam lock tool to hold your cam gears in place.

I'll get some pics of the tensioner arm up soon so you all can decide and check it for side to side wobble. Is that an OEM only situation as well for the tensioner arm?

 

[DSM1G90]

belt let go 5k miles after the job, but it didn't bend the valves.

Being an non-inteference motor .. and those Escort motors had a horrible belt installed in the first place. I think FORD really went cheap on motor components..

 

[steve]

Like to see some users do the belt on a DOHC 6G72 (3.0L V-6) motor that's in a Mitsu 3000GT-VR4

Been there, done that, have the bloody knuckles.

After doing the 6G72 and fighting to get the correct tension correct (and therefore timing between banks) the 4G63 is a walk in the park. I bet that many 6G72's are off a tooth between banks.

I see that checking the tensioner arm for wear was mentioned Don't forget to grease it putting it back on. It's will last longer.

Check the seals on the cams, and front case. Check the oil pump for wear.

Remember to inspect and replace the main seal on the back side when your doing the clutch.

 

[4gfun]

Been there, done that, have the bloody knuckles.

After doing the 6G72 and fighting to get the correct tension correct (and therefore timing between banks) the 4G63 is a walk in the park. I bet that many 6G72's are off a tooth between banks.

I see that checking the tensioner arm for wear was mentioned Don't forget to grease it putting it back on. It's will last longer.

Check the seals on the cams, and front case. Check the oil pump for wear.

Remember to inspect and replace the main seal on the back side when your doing the clutch.

I'll check the tensioner arm for side to side play and also see what the wear is like if it makes contact. I'll post a pic if I see any wear or have questions.

Thanks everyone!

 

[lasershark]

make sure you spin the crank i believe its 7 times and make sure all the marks line up again I did my first timing belt i was a little nervous but its actually not bad

 

[Gerg]

Make sure that the dowel pins on the cams are both facing up. The factory service manuals are really good help when doing this job. This covers the timing belt job with out having to guess or miss any steps. Plus it always comes in hand farther down the road when ever you have to fix anything else. It's a lot better then any haynes or chiltons manual you can get, and they're cost about the same.