Want to go faster!

[SleepingTsi94]

Alright. I ran a 14.6 at the track on like 9 psi. I want to go faster. I know that if I want to do that im gonna have to turn up the boost. Now this is what I have for mods already.

2.5 inch downpipe
3inch exhaust
jrc fmic
2.5 inch chargepipes
k&n filter
Greddy BOV
Balance Shafts Removed
Data Logger
Stage 3 Clutch
11lbs Flywheel
Innovate Wideband - not installed
t3/t4 .50 - not installed

What do you think else that I would need to get to 13's to low 12's safe? I was thinking of ordering the following here with in the next couple of days.

Walbro 255
Apexi SAFC II
HKS Turbo Timer
Either using my mbc or getting a electronic one
Going to have a friend cnc me a flange to put my hybrid t3/t4 .50 to a 2g manifold
GM maf

Not sure what else give me some ideas.

Thanks

 

[GVR4592]

You'll need a fuel pressure regulator for the 255, it will over run the stock regulator. You'll also need some larger injectors. 650's would work well with the 50 trim and the Safc. I would try a 2g maf before the Gm maf. It's a lot cheaper, it's easier to tune, and it can handle the power your 50 trim will make.

 

[grnchevyz]

Get yourself an EPROM ECU, socket it and use DSMLink rather than SAFC...Much better control.

I love my SAFC2 but you can't compare it to DSMLink.

And, yes you definitely need 650's or bigger injectors with an AFPR so not to overrun the stock regulator.

As far as a boost controller goes, I love my Profec-B Spec2 and the Profec E01 is just as good.

 

[SleepingTsi94]

Is dsm link like a need. I want use this car as a dd and be able to switch with up to high boost just for track. A safc would not be good enough?

 

[grnchevyz]

If you plan on going with bigger than 650cc injectors or plan on making the car faster and fine tune it then yes DSMLink is a must in my opinion.

The SAFC will limit you to 650cc injectors.

I am currently using a SAFC2 with 550cc injectors and I love it, but I'm switching to DSMLink for better tuning ability.

 

[Ludachris]

Your answer is here:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/tech.php

Check the Upgrade Paths.

 

[SleepingTsi94]

Yea answers are there but theres more ways of doing it than just that with different budgets.

 

[exiletalon]

the SAFC2 is good, but the DSMLink is like comparing a slice of cake, to the whole cake.
one is good, but the other is better- there is simply more!!
if you want to fine tune your car, and make it run better than a SAFC2 could wish- then get DSMlink, sell your logger, and you will really be able to unlock your 50 trim's potential!!! I also advise 750cc, AFPR, 3" downpipe, and gauges to keep it all on track!

 

[grnchevyz]

you're on the right path and at 18-20 PSI after your upgrades you will see a major difference. Just weigh the SAFC vs DSMLink issue and you'll be on your way.

P.S.: just for future reference, its budgets, not budjects.

 

[SleepingTsi94]

Lol got in hurry. So what all would I need to run the dsmlink. How much are the eprom ecus running for. Or what year cars can I find them in?

 

[MrBoxx]

Is dsm link like a need. I want use this car as a dd and be able to switch with up to high boost just for track. A safc would not be good enough?

Plenty of people use Link in their daily drivers with no problem, myself included. You don't need the laptop/Palm in the car at all times; only when you want to change settings or datalog something. If you're only going to be changing boost at the track, then that's the only time you'd ever need to touch anything in Link. However, if I already had an S-AFC before I bought DSMLink, I would use that as just a monitoring device and use DSMLink as the tuning device, also something that many people find to be a successful combination.

 

[MrBoxx]

Lol got in hurry. So what all would I need to run the dsmlink. How much are the eprom ecus running for. Or what year cars can I find them in?

How to tell if your car has an Eprom ECU.

- What are the requirements for running DSMLink in my car?

You need a turbo model DSM with an EPROM ECU. In addition, of course, you need a laptop with a serial port (RS232, DB9 port), running at least Windows 98. If your laptop doesn't have a serial port, see here. For a full description of what's involved, check here.

If your car doesn't have an Eprom ECU, you can try the classifieds, Ebay, the junkyard, etc. The price obviously depends on where you get it from.

 

[SleepingTsi94]

Could I just use my logger as a monitering device and buy the dsmlink? Also lets say I get dsmlink but dont have get my injectors till like a week later. And whats the min cc injectors I should be looking at and brands and what not?

 

[SleepingTsi94]

Also I know when I had my honda you could convert ecus from auto to 5spd does that apply with dsms? Like if I was to find a auto eprom

 

[MrBoxx]

DSMLink is going to be far better than any datalogger, but if you're talking about keeping the logger in the car on a daily basis, then yes, that would work.

For injectors, you can get the Eprom settings set for your current injectors when you order Link. When you upgrade, you adjust the global settings and dead time to compensate for the larger injectors. Download the user's guide under the Documentation heading in that link and read through it. There's tons of great information to get you started there. It explains the steps to calibrate DSMLink for just about any size fuel injector, as well as lists the other features of the program. It even includes sample settings for Denso, PTE, and FIC inejctors from 550cc to 950cc. Several people have run even larger injector sizes with few problems.

 

[SleepingTsi94]

So you think since im going with the dsmlink that a gm maf would be ok or should I stick with a 2g?

 

[nightspeed87]

you could even run a evo8 mas which can read the most cfm out of all of them. I know a 1g guy running one on his. And you could even just get a keydiver chip ( Which im doing myself www.dsmchips.com ) if you didnt have the money to spend on link, ( but it appears that you do ) Consider increasing your dp to a full 3 inch in the future also and I say as far as injectors just get the biggest things you can ( obviously if you can compensate for it that is ) therefore youd never have to worry about needing bigger ones if later down the line you needed more power... And I hear the TT supra fuel pump is a 260lph and is quieter than the walbro models. Im considering checking out those one day. Some good cams that match your set up would help also, just some suggestions.

 

[chickmagnet]

I would get injectors, some way to control them, and cams as a start. A 2g maf seems like the best option to get you where you are going. If you go with the 255 you will definetly need a AFPR.

 

[SleepingTsi94]

Whats the max I could run a 190 at? Would I need a afpr? They are the same price. So which one is the best to go with for my setup.

Also whats is a good afpr out there and seems to do the best job and a decent price or cheap?

 

[mygsx2120]

You do not need an afpr with a 190. But I'm not sure how much boost it will support. I went with a 255 pump and I plan on going with a BB 50 trim. Also always good to leave some room in case you want more power later. As far as a good afpr goes, get an Aeromotive. They have by far the best reputation within the DSM community. They are a little pricey though. So if you decide to try a different brand, make sure it raises the fuel pressure and boost at a 1:1 ratio. Not all afpr's do this, and if not you are wasting your money.

 

[nightspeed87]

i got a high pressure 190lph walbro from lightningmotorsports.com I believe.
Ive heard 190s support all the way to 300whp in most cases. I mean i guess you could get a 255 now but its going to be over running the stock fpr really bad till you get the afpr.
Honestly I would just get the 255 and get it over with, wish I had done so myself, because my high pressure 190 is already overruning my stock fpr, like it does it so bad you hear the exhaust popping and my friend told me I had fire coming out the back during a shift, and my bov wasnt vented either. So i dunno but each situation is different.

 

[SleepingTsi94]

Would I be set with fuel besides injectors if I went with this setup.

http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?products_id=1620{6}14
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?products_id=2690
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?products_id=3623

 

[SleepingTsi94]

Also noticed a difference in fuel pumps when ordering. 255lph and 255lph hp. I assume the 2nd means high pressure? Which one is the best to run?

 

[mwracing]

from your description you definately need to raise your boost.

im assuming you are running a stock turbo?

a manual boost controller is ok for street, but once you want to go to the track, dual stage or electronic dual stage is the way to go.

with hi and low settings you can go 10 street and 16 track with stock turbo.

anything over 16psi on stock injectors will hit fuel cut.... now that is something scary and you do not want to do that anywhere especially the track.

now install the injectors 550-720 is a good size, get the fuel pump, get a fuel pressure regulator, and a dsmlink/ or safc. because without the safc or dsmlink you car will run about 18-50 % more fuel into your engine without it knowing.... TOO RICH. not good.

you have good supporting mods to easily run a happy turbo around 20psi. but not the stock turbo. and always always always use 91-94+ octane for daily driving.

 

[SleepingTsi94]

Thanks for all the answers. I think I have down what I need to order. But some ?s have not still be answered that I need to know before I decide to finalize my order.

Would I be set with fuel besides injectors if I went with this setup.

http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?products_id=1620{6}14
http://www.importevolution.com/produ...oducts_id=2690
http://www.importevolution.com/produ...oducts_id=3623

Also noticed a difference in fuel pumps when ordering. 255lph and 255lph hp. I assume the 2nd means high pressure? Which one is the best to run?