upgrading turbo?

[tkhaab_94]

so i might pick up a evo 16g.
what other mods/parts do i need to get in order for the 16g to work?
here's what i think i need...
1. new injectors - which kind should i run for daily driving?
2. new fuel pump?- will i need a new one?
3. new manifold - i think you need this for the evo 16g right?
4. turbo hook up kit? (waterline, oil return line?)
5. DSMlink with eprom ecu?
will i need a new intake?
how much boost do you think i should run for daily drving?

please tell me what i will need, if im missing something or if i got something wrong.
thanks!

 

[2gawdtsi]

it all depends on what your goals are. and how much your willing to spend.

sure you can put a 16g on and run stock boost, but it wont be in its effiency zone.
your mods are determined by what you want from the car.

i would at least get a walbro 190lph fuel pump, a Safc, new injectors, boost gauge, mbc, and exhaust and intake if you dont already have it.

a new intake manifold is not necesary, but a new or ported exhaust manifold may be.

 

[okm12346]

Do you have MAFT or SAFC to tune the new injectors?

1.If you're running stock boost of 8psi or even 12 psi, the stock 450cc should be enough
2. If you havent rewired the stock one then do it, or get Evo8-9 fuel pump. These days they go for 30-40 bucks
3.Stock 2g manifold should be good, although I'd port it so it matches the 7cm housing of the 16g. I'd also port the O2 housing, if you havent yet, since the 7cm housing flows much more that the stock one and having unported o2 housing may create boost creep. I'd buy some aluminum gaskets for turbo and O2 housing and OEM manifold gasket.
4. Get the 4AN oil filter housing oil feed line. Im not sure if the t25 oil drain line would work with the MHI turbos, it might it might not. Water lines are available from STM, so is the oil drain line.
5. I cant comment this since Ive never dealt with any of these. But I see you have 99, so you can use one of these Evo Scan cables and flash your ECU.

You should be able to make the Intake pipe work with the new turbo.

 

[hondaslayer1]

To run a 16g u can rewire the stock fuel pump or get a walbro 255 get a fuel pressure regulator .u can use the stock header just port it.is always a good idea to get a new intake with good filter.dsm and a eprom ecu is great management.injectors its always good to go big so u don't have to upgrade later with bigger power mods.a daily driver boost setting is around 15 pounds for decent gas milage .u are also going to need to get a boost controler as well.and u need the eprom ecu chipped .as long as u have all that u should have a great race daily driver in the end.also may want to do new timing belt and pullys before u mod ## car.lots of people like to put some arp head studs and a new head gasket if u plan on high boost numbers.hope that helps and sorry so long.good luck

 

[2gawdtsi]

just get a 16g install kit off the internet theyre all over.
they come with nuts bolts, water lines, oil lines. gaskets.
youll also need a j pipe for the 16g.

 

[tkhaab_94]

yeah i know about the j pipe.
i dont have a Safc or maft.
i already have a injen intake for the stock turbo, will it fit the new turbo?
i got the exhaust.
yes, i plan on running 15psi. already got a boost gauge, will need a MBC.
so i can run this turbo with stock injectors? at 15psi?
getting cometic headgasket and ARP studs done. im starting on taking off the head tomorrow.
i can use the stock exhaust manifold? it will bolt up to the 16g right?

oh yeah i will need a FMIC also. which one do you recommend that is pretty decent and cheap? haha.

 

[hondaslayer1]

## water lines from the stock turbo will work.u can mod the return line to work.u can use a stock smic don't need a fmic just to use the turbo.the stock header and 02 housing will bolt up to the turbo.as far as a fmic there is no best or worst for the most part u can get one from ebay If u want and they are not to bad in price.u will just need new bigger gaskets and j pipe and ss oil feed line can run the stock boost controle with the 16g till u have a mbc but may spike.

 

[2gawdtsi]

yes your intake will fit the new turbo.

and if you only plan on running 15 psi,
you can just do the BCS restrictor mod, and that will get you around 14psi ish.
plus if the 16g decides to boost creep, then youll be right on target.
saves the money for a mbc until later too.

stock injectors should be fine for that boost, but i wouldnt go all that much higher.

and yes the manifold will bolt up.

 

[tkhaab_94]

whats the BCS restrictor mod?



so basically i can pop the turbo on with a fuel pump and tune it? then im done? right?
yes i plan on porting the exhaust manifold and 02 housing.

how do i rewire my pump? and will i still need a fuel pressure regulator?

 

[hondaslayer1]

Yes I did forget about the bcs mod good thinking who ever posted that just make a diy mbc it cost like 15 buks with parts that u can get from home depot and takes 5 mins to make and is ball and spring and would be a safer bet.u could end up bolting up the turbo and it could spike to 18 pounds and could start messing thing up and making problems for ## self just make a diy mbc and save money and maybe ## motor in the end because who knows how much it could spike it could be more never know depends on the turbo

 

[tkhaab_94]

oh yeah forgot about the mbc.

i got one question it will still pass smog emissions right?

 

[okm12346]

It's all in the tune and getting the AFRs right.

 

[hondaslayer1]

If u upgrade to a walbro 255 yes get fpr and u should pass smogg as long as u keep the cat and vac lines and don't block egr

 

[Maas]

Homemade mbc's suck for anything over 10 psi. Just look for a used hallman pro.

Just remember if you have to disturb the crush washers under the coolant banjos replace them. They're 5 bucks.

 

[hondaslayer1]

Who ever says that diy mbc are no good for over 10 pounds of boost is full of shit.I did 22 pounds on my car no problem and. I also have a bleed hole for the mbc and I never had boost spikes or anything else.so don't let people tell u that.my mbc is just as good as a halman mbc if not better.I have heard a lot of halman mbc that crap out.why pay 100 buks for a mbc to just be no good when u can make a better one for 15buks.just my input

 

[tkhaab_94]

how do i rewire my fuel pump?

 

[falcon8r]

If you just want to run the 16g with the stock ebc with a mod it will work great. My 1g ran great on the stock EBC that I did the mod on. The car was until recent a daily driver of my wife's and it had the 16 g with a rewired fuel pump and the ebc. It ran very strong. I had no idea ### the boost was but it alway ran great and never cut out. The stock 1g boost or whatever it is gauge would hoover somewhere over 14. The exhaust was stock minus the cat. It would hiss like a bull snake but go like hell. Sometimes , when the magic temperature is present ,the low end hit in second gear would spin the tires hard. It drove around for 7 years like that. It is getting some changes now as she cast it away . Tres...

 

[MrBoxx]

VFAQ Site - Visual Frequently Answered Questions will answer most of your questions. There are articles about how to install the turbo, everything you need, how to port your exhaust parts, how to rewire a fuel pump.

Read every article on there, then do some searches on here and you'll quickly have all the answers you need.

Also everyone, please remember to use spell check, grammar, and punctuation in your posts. "u" is not "you", etc.

 

[turbodsm007]

everything to make 300 whp
-evo 560cc injectors
-EVO3 ex mani or a good one
-Short routed FMIC
-walbro 190 (evo fuel pump)
-EVO 3 16g (authentic)
-SAFC or DSMlink +1 on Ecmlink
-3" turboback exhaust
-good intake
-272 cams (hks)

thats it make sure you have no boost leaks and wellah...

 

[tkhaab_94]

Hmm. How much hp do you think I can get with just the turbo and ported exhaust manifold and o2 housing? I have some mods like exhaust and intake. I might get a dsmlink but I'm not sure on how all that works. Theres a dsmlink v2 with a eprom ecu for sale. Is that a good package? And whats a EBC?

What if I run a 14b? Is it smaller than the 16g and bigger than the t28? I want something a little bigger than the stock turbo. What will I need with the 14b?

 

[MrBoxx]

Hmm. How much hp do you think I can get with just the turbo and ported exhaust manifold and o2 housing? I have some mods like exhaust and intake. I might get a dsmlink but I'm not sure on how all that works. Theres a dsmlink v2 with a eprom ecu for sale. Is that a good package? And whats a EBC?[/quote[

We can't bench race your car for you. There's no way of knowing how doing X modification will affect Y car and make Z horsepower. It would be just a guess. And guess are not good enough for DSM'ers.

DSMLink may well be the best modification you ever put on your car. And EBC is usually the acronym for Electronic Boost Controller. Most DSM'ers have good results from Manual Boost Controllers, which are much much cheaper.

What if I run a 14b? Is it smaller than the 16g and bigger than the t28? I want something a little bigger than the stock turbo. What will I need with the 14b?

A 14b is nearly identical to a 16g, with exception to the compressor wheel and a few other minor differences. That said, you need nearly the same amount of supporting modifications that you would for using a 16g or a T28. A 14b will theoretically flow enough for 300hp, give or take. A few have done so.

Did you start reading the VFAQ yet? Or the tech articles here?

 

[tkhaab_94]

Well then, I may go with the 16g.

 

[this_tsi_8urV8]

And get an MHI turbo, not ebay/china crap. Just so you know the full potential of the 16g, people have dynoed over 400awhp and gone 11's and iirc 10's with that turbo. Of course, you need a lot of time and good parts to get into that "club".
kthxbai

 

[tkhaab_94]

is this turbo legit?

 

[MrBoxx]

Yes, that is an MHI 16g.