Upgrading Turbo Package.

[xxShaneOmac]

I feel pretty close to having a complete list of supporting mod's, i.e Fuel, Tuning ablitys, Cooling ablitys etc. for a bigger turbo package.

I want to supply my car with a Manifold, Turbo, O2 housing, and possible DP to help me reach goals in the area of 400awhp.

This car is mainly a weekend "show" "track" "street" car. Ill be driving it on the street but also lining up at the 1320 while trying to keep it as clean and show class ablity as possilbe.

I don't want to forge the engine or do any kind of intense modifcations. Im looking for basic clean bolt ons. If something happens later down the road Ill deal with it but thoes are not in my plans. I dont see more then a thousand or two miles getting added to this car a year.

So my Main question is what package could I go with or put together that can boost me to 400awhp on pump 93 octane that is the best streetable turbo [spoll time]. I have no clue about wastegates and why there on the mani , or o2 housing, So whats a good flowing manifold bolted to a 400+awhp blowing turbo that is joined by a o2housing. I would like to be able to put a Heat shield on as I will be driving though the weekends and dont want to kill my enginebay with heat stroke.

Thanks guys.

My Mods.

1999 GSX w/ 77k Stock 7bolt Miles.
FP BigT28 - Looking to replace
Stock 2g Mani - Looking to replace
Stock 2g O2 - Looking to replace
Catback 2.5" w/ Apex N1 Muffler May have to do something with this or DP

Cams, Revised Lifters, ARP head studs are in the making
Water Meth Kit INC too

PTE 880cc Injectors
Walbro 255 HP, Rewired
Aeromotive AFPR

DSMLink v2.0
AEM UEGO Wideband o2
GReddy Profec B Boost Controll
GReddy EGT
GReddy Boost

ACT 2600
Tociko Blue
Big Breaks w/ SS lines
Sway bars
Strut tower bar.

ETS FMIC 24x10x3.5 w/ 2.5 SS short route.
Injen Intake w/ K&N
1g Bov

 

[erald01]

for 400awhp i would suggest a few of them. 50 trim would be a good, even a 16g with the right mods and tunning. I noticed that you have a big t28, i thought those are capable of 400hp. Another one to look at which its my favorite besides the evo3 16g, would be the 20g. As for the manifold i like my evo3 manifold with the evo3 o2 housing very good flow and reasonable pricing, plus i have the heatshield on it too. FP manifold is good to but i think its way to expensive. Any ways good luck.

 

[xxShaneOmac]

FP Claims to have there T28 into the 11's on a full weight 2g gsx.

I really dont want to push this turbo to 25 psi and have it fall off to 22 etc.
I want something I can boost to 26psi and it holds and puts power down.

Was thinking some form of 50 trim 56 57 Im not sure.
FP30 series allso comes to mind but that is getting into 2500 for the package witch is pretty expensive.

FP Race mani / Evo 3 are popular but I dont want it to kill my spoll time compaired to a tubular.
Then again I want the heat shield :]

Gosh..

 

[erald01]

Well i don't like the tubular manifold just because they crack easily and like you said no heat shield. My evo3 manifold doesn't loose any spooling power whatsoever, but you have to be carefull with what turbo you pick because the bigger the better but also the bigger =more engine destruction, and you said you want to keep your engine internals stock. I have known a lot of people that run the 50trim with stock internals, but that also lasts for so long then you gona have to build your engine. Can you imagine what a 56 or higher would do to your engine? I dont think you will be able to reach 26psi with the stock internals that easy.

 

[crazy_skier]

first, stay away from anything smaller than a 60 trim if you want 400awhp. If you look at my set up right now, my turbo is approx. a 56 trim and I hit 350 awhp on a 2.4 built everything at 21 psi on pump gas. that is on a dyno dynamics so it should do 400 plus on a dyno jet but still. I would look into a 3052 or 3065 turbo, you still have full spool before 4500-5000 and then I would look into a smim, 3" exhaust and you will either have to crush the 1G bov or get an aftermarket for the amount of boost you'll be running. There is more but i'm tired so I can help more later if needed. zzzzzz

 

[2gGSX]

first, stay away from anything smaller than a 60 trim if you want 400awhp. If you look at my set up right now, my turbo is approx. a 56 trim and I hit 350 awhp on a 2.4 built everything at 21 psi on pump gas. that is on a dyno dynamics so it should do 400 plus on a dyno jet but still. I would look into a 3052 or 3065 turbo, you still have full spool before 4500-5000 and then I would look into a smim, 3" exhaust and you will either have to crush the 1G bov or get an aftermarket for the amount of boost you'll be running. There is more but i'm tired so I can help more later if needed. zzzzzz

The problem with that is that you're not running the turbo in the efficiency range. Even on the 50 trims, especially with a MHI bolt on housing, you have to run a higher PR to get into the high airflow range.

 

[laserspeeddemon]

Hmm.....

Are you set on dropping the 2g manny? I would just port it. Toss in a FP 18G-6SL2 and a punishment racing O2 housing. Temp Coat all 3 and let the tune handle the rest. At most swap with a FP cast manifold, but I have no direct experience with the FP manifold.

The 18g has enough breathing room to hold 28 psi.

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[winterftbl]

keep the manny, there is no reason to ditch that. If you dont like the look get it powdercoated or sand blasted. Also a 16g wont do it. YOu will need at least a 20g or 50 trim for this power level. I personally would go with a 50 trim because it will be easier to do 400awhp. What is the reason you want 400hp?

 

[crazy_skier]

the only reason i was saying that is if you want to hit those numbers on a daily basis without race gas you need a bigger turbo. 28 psi is alot to run daily on pump gas in my opinion, and that is the opinion of the two reputable shops in the minneapolis area that I goto.

 

[xxShaneOmac]

400awhp is a range that isn't really pushing the engine to a point were it needs to be forged. So Ive read, So I want more power then I currently make but Not looking forward to pulling out and rebuilding with 2 grand in parts to push another 100hp.

That is why this area has been chosen for me. And it seems to be a good point to reach.
I was thinking FP Mani cause it does look like it flows better for spool then stock, and Im not looking for a tubular beacuse of the heat inefficency.

I guess its down to
Turbo, Gas pump doable HP and spool time per turbo.

I guess Ill go down the list.
E3B16G
PTE 50 Trim
PTE 60-1
FP3052

Anything else I should start looking into?

 

[laserspeeddemon]

There are not alot of people making 400 AWHP with the E316G, I reiteraite that you should consider the 18g.

 

[shane90gsx]

400awhp is a range that isn't really pushing the engine to a point were it needs to be forged. So Ive read, So I want more power then I currently make but Not looking forward to pulling out and rebuilding with 2 grand in parts to push another 100hp.

That is why this area has been chosen for me. And it seems to be a good point to reach.
I was thinking FP Mani cause it does look like it flows better for spool then stock, and Im not looking for a tubular beacuse of the heat inefficency.

I guess its down to
Turbo, Gas pump doable HP and spool time per turbo.

I guess Ill go down the list.
E3B16G
PTE 50 Trim
PTE 60-1
FP3052

Anything else I should start looking into?

how about the bulls eye borg and warner s200 bolt on with internal o2 housing. as seen here... its expensive but you wouldnt need anything else with your mods and it will hit the hp number your looking for provided you can tune it. i take that back...you will need a good high flow turbo back! and FMIC. Modern Automotive Performance #::#DSM #::#Turbochargers and Accessories #::#Bullseye Power

 

[xxShaneOmac]

I know alot of people dont hit 400,
My car is in top condition with everything I can think of besides a built inner and smim, so I think I could be a prime subject to try.

Not saying I will just something to give it a shot, I was just interested in the evo3 cause its spool is totally doable.

I was interested into the 18g before, but I only know like 3 people that have used it and the reviews could have been better.

The s2000 has a o2 with it? i didnt notice that part.

 

[Calan]

There's a million threads on this, but...

The general consensus is that an EvoIII mani, 16g, and O2 housing combination is hard to beat for good streetability and power. I'm running this combo (O2 is ported) with FP cams in my daily driver, and it runs great at 22-23psi on 93 pump. (See my mods for a full list). I don't know how much power I'm actually making, but it puts me firmly into the seat from about 3200 all the way past 7200 rpms.

You may or may not get over 400 horses, but there's no doubt it will be fun

 

[xxShaneOmac]

Well

Im thinking I want
FP Race Manifold
PTE DBB 50 Trim
TiAL 44mm o2 Housings.

Now DBB - Faster Spool and Journal Bearings - Slower spool correct?
Wastegate at the o2 housing is for better boost control and a boost that wont fall off or creap?

Why 44mm or 38mm?

Anyone have any suggestions on links of were to buy the turbo or o2 housing.
Thanks!

what do you think of that setup with my mods + 272 Cam's and water / Meth?

Thanks

 

[Icarus]

I noticed you're local and just cruising through the Seattle craigslist. I have no idea what kind of turbo this is other than it seems a bit on the large size. May be a nice upgrade for a for the price.

T-4 BORGWARNER TURBO

 

[drewvr4]

BB isnt worth it on anything smaller then a 60 trim, personally in the few that I have owned in both categories on the smaller turbos you cant tell a difference

 

[xxShaneOmac]

Ive herd Journal Bearing pte 50 trims spools near 4150 ish.
While the DBB pte 50 trims spooled at 3500 area.

650 RPMS seems like a huge stepup.

Anyone else's point of view on my questions?

 

[marshall13]

AMS is making well over 400 whp with similar supporting mods and a Turbonetics GT35R turbo at about 21psi. Yeah it will spool a little later, but it will yank you through the rest of your range once it makes it there.

 

[xxShaneOmac]

Im not really looking to get into a 35r.

I want a more streetable turbo that can get me to where I want to be.
PTE DBB 50 Trim seems like the turbo for me.

Thanks Tho.