2G Turn signal NEVER works!

[miliman13]

Ok, there are more threads than i can count that relate. None of them actually document how anyone's issue was resolved.

My emergency lights (emergency button) inside my cluster and in all for corners works! It's my turn signals themselves that don't blink/work in my cluster or on any corners.

Now, i have replaced my relay box behind the radio 4X times. And my turn signal/lever switch 4X times. I have heard talk that there is a separate box/relay some were that controls the turn signals themselves. Any one know of this?

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[bryanwheat]

So when you replaced the part the first time did it work for a while than stop, or did you just keep replacing them in hopes that it would fix the problem? Have you found a wiring schematic and actually looked to see where the wires to and test them to make sure the wiring is good?

 

[miliman13]

So when you replaced the part the first time did it work for a while than stop, or did you just keep replacing them in hopes that it would fix the problem? Have you found a wiring schematic and actually looked to see where the wires to and test them to make sure the wiring is good?

I tried 4 dsm's from different junked cars since 2g's are plagued with this defect and no real solution. Every once in a blue moon it will work for no more than 4-5 seconds, then it quits. No i haven't FOUND a wiring schematic that relates. Just heard of some other box, that could be the culprit.

Side note, I've been putting this car together for years, fixing normal ware and undoing the monstrosities the previous owner did. I have gotten so far that 80% of all hard ware is new oem. And everything that matters is new. I have restored the interior to its glory. And now that I'm slowly learning to calibrate / tune she's finally on the roads. Except now I can't flash while turning and would hate to get hit , since it's Florida and everyone here avidly plays bumper cars. Why this long explanation? ? Better than typing *BUMP*

 

[luv2rallye]

Maybe time to start checking wiring since you've tryed everything else. When they fail do they not go on at all or stay on or ...? Did you check the bulb sockets for corrosion?
Pm me your email address and I can send you the electrical manual.

 

[miliman13]

It's rare but once in a while a corner bulb goes intermittently bad. It's a cheap replacement elimination of a possiblility since you've tryed everything else. Also maybe time to start checking wiring.

Hmmmm? So one bulb can ruin my life. Hmmmmm. Maybe I'll have to check. But I'm hoping someone can help me find a wire map cause I don't know were to find one.

 

[tuby]

pay the money to get alldata for your car. it will give you all the diagrams you need and anything you need to know about anything

i dont remember how much it is i want to say like $30 for a year

 

[miliman13]

pay the money to get alldata for your car. it will give you all the diagrams you need and anything you need to know about anything

i dont remember how much it is i want to say like $30 for a year

I'm not familiar with what your recommending? ??

 

[tuby]

I'm not familiar with what your recommending? ??

ALLDATA - OEM Auto Repair Information for Professionals

http://alldatadiy.com/

its 26.95 for 12 months

The leading provider of original equipment manufacturer auto repair information to the professional automotive service industry.

 

[codym]

All data is a program with wiring schematics and technical info for a wide variety of cars and equipment..

A bit overkill for a turn signal issue.


Here is the electrical manual for late 2gs - it's free and won't expire in 12 months.
97-99EL

 

[miliman13]

. so im reaching the end of my build after 5 years and many headaches. Its making me madly laugh, at how now the only thing keeping me off the road is this turn signal!!! So I have some pics, I'm getting power to the interior fuse box for the turn signal N.4 . but don't understand were the connection is broken?

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So this wire harness above turn into this below and then gets even bigger and snakes into hell!

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I know it's suppose to be a 10amp not 7.5,were gonna make it its ok

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Thanks chilton

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[miliman13]

How can I bypass this asshole !! And just make a new wire to make this turn signal work!!!!!!!.. Also Gary I was never able to view those files you sent.

 

[1990dsmkid]

Have you checked the sockets the bulbs go into? They maybe worn out and corroded causing a bad connections. Just something simple to take a look at. This was my problem for my passenger side marker.

 

[miliman13]

Have you checked the sockets the bulbs go into? They maybe worn out and corroded causing a bad connections. Just something simple to take a look at. This was my problem for my passenger side marker.

Thanks, but no my problem is in the interior.

 

[1990dsmkid]

Sorry the way I read it I thought you was having issues inside and out

 

[miliman13]

Ok, there are more threads than i can count that relate. Non of them actually document how any one issue was resolved.

My Emergency lights (emergency button) inside my cluster and in all for corners works!!!!!
Its my turn signals them selves that don't blink/work in my cluster or on any corners.

Now, i have replaced my relay box behind the radio 4X times. And my turn signal/lever switch 4X times.
I have heard talk that there is a separate box/relay some were that controls the turn signals themselves. Any one know of this??

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To reiterate!

 

[wrencher]

Since your hazards work, then you can likely trust the flasher module to the exterior bulb wiring is ok.
Make sure there is power key on the green wire with the orange tracer at the flasher module.
(Connector B-18 terminals 9 & 10 in OEM wiring diagram)
If not check your flasher switch.
Ground for the flasher module is the green wire with the yellow tracer.
Likely ground is ok if hazards work.

If that checks out ok, check the wiring from the turn signal switch to the flasher module. The hazard switch & the turn signal switch send a ground to the flasher module to activate the lamps.
Here read my post #9 here; http://www.dsmtuners.com/threads/strange-gremlins.478339/#post-153428116
Also a wiring diagram in that thread.

Here are the OEM diagrams;

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[luv2rallye]

The wiring diagrams in post 17 are correct for your 98 (which are what I sent you). Don't use the one in post 11.

Know that the 2gb "turn signal and hazard flasher unit" has complicated circuitry in it and is NOT the same as the simple one in 1g and 2ga.

Make sure the green/yellow wire on the turn signal switch itself in the column (B-11 pin 8) has continuity to ground. If not, THAT is your problem (the flashers can still work without this continuity).

 

[okm12346]

when That happen to my car, it was the switch.

 

[miliman13]

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Thanks guys but I don't fully understand how to read all those diagrams so well, this pic I uploaded is from the Haynes manual, "rallye" when you say pin 8 is it the same as this diagram depicts?


And "wrencher" thanks, I saw on your link you told some one once that the ground for this flasher is under the drivers seat? Is that for all generations?

**question** which pin can i poke to "ground" or test/trial and error ?

 

[miliman13]

this is a pic of when i redid my carpet, if you zoom you can see that ground i mentioned mines looks to be in good condition and bolted.

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[miliman13]

Make sure the green/yellow wire on the turn signal switch itself in the column (B-11 pin 8) has continuity to ground. If not, THAT is your problem (the flashers can still work without this continuity).

But my flashers dont work? and its not the switch i even tried a few last time i went to junker and had no luck, am i reading this wrong hear i feel confused

 

[99gst_racer]

Hazzard button.
If it is defective or not present, the blinkers won't work.

 

[miliman13]

Hazzard button.
If it is defective or not present, the blinkers won't work.

 

[luv2rallye]

this pic I uploaded is from the Haynes manual, "rallye" when you say pin 8 is it the same as this diagram depicts?

Well my Mitsu diagrams doesn't show physical connector locations like that but if pin 8 of that connector B has a green/yellow (green with yellow stripe (or marker)) wire on it, then there's a good chance it's it.

To help identify if it's the B-11 connector: pin 9 has green/red and pin 3 has green/blue. If it is the green/yellow, try grounding it.

But my flashers dont work?

In your post 1 you said: "My emergency lights (emergency button) inside my cluster and in all for corners works!" so I took that to mean your flashers work. So do the flashers work or not?

 

[miliman13]

Ohhh, yes e-lights work just fine no issues there. So if I press my emergency light button it blinks all 4 corners and I can hear the click and see the dash arrows light up. Thanks for clearing it up I think we are talking about the same pin. Unfortunately the punishing Florida rain has not taken a chill pill so I'll have to wait to go outside and diagnos further.