timing belt time

[LambdaJoker]

so this morning i decided to check the timing on my gst before i do my timing belt just to make sure sure that its not off by any teeth and wont have to worry about replacing some slightly bent valves. well the good news, as i was taking off the timing belt cover, the mailman came and brought me my timing belt components that i ordered from partsdinosaur, so i was ecstatic about that. the bad news; i didnt order the balance shaft belt because i was almost sure that my car had the balance shaft elmination done. my reasoning behind this is because i could feel a slight vibration from the engine, but nothing unbearable. also my oil pressure gauge showed slightly higher oil pressure than a stock turbo dsm. anyways, as i removed the timing belt cover, i see the balance shaft belt ripped. miraculously it didnt take out my timing belt, but im not sure how long its been like that. might have been since before i got the car. so i just ordered the bs belt and bearing from partsdinosaur again. luckily, he has fast shipping.
so anyways, another issue that arose, is that while i tried to turn the crank clockwise by hand, as per my chiltons, the timing belt skipped a tooth due to loose tension or a worn out belt. at first i had set all the pulleys to their respective timing marks to make sure it was in time, but the only pulley that was off was the oil pump pulley. so i tried to crank the engine by hand a few more times to get the oil pump pulley on its mark, and thats when the belt skipped teeth. but prior to that, all marks lined up, but as i kept trying to crank the engine by hand, i was able to feel the pistons hit the valves. so i cant crank it anymore. now heres my question, if i put the cam gears to their proper timing without putting the crank pulley on its timing mark, and then putting the crank pulley on its timing mark, and then putting the oil pump on its timing mark, will i damage anything? i will be turning everything clockwise by hand like stated in my chiltons. also, if all timing marks lined up, but since i couldnt check the oil pump pulley, do you guys think i might have some bent valves?
later today when i get to school i plan on printing out the timing belt vfaq to use that as a guide.

 

[jasonx9]

I had the same exact thing with my BS belt when I did my timing belt on my car. You say everything lined up but your oil pump that is not right to me if everything else lines up then that should line up as well. Im pretty sure you would be able to set everything like that but maybe someone can confirm that for me.I would be a little concerned about your valves if your oil pump didn't line up when everything else did. Do you know how much the oil pump was off by?

 

[LambdaJoker]

I had to turn the crank by hand just a few turns to get the oil pump sprocket to line up to it's respective mark. This is when the belt just skipped, but luckily it did while I was turning it by hand and not on a startup.

[/QUOTE=] NOTE: Crankshaft may need to be rotated up to six turns before all sprockets are properly aligned and the rear balance shaft is in phase, due to the oil pump-to-balance shaft gear ratio.
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I got that from the vfaq. It was during this process that my timing belt skipped.

 

[94_TSi]

You should (or still should) pull the balance shafts out. I know its a bi*** while the engine is in. You already had one bs belt break, you got lucky. Why let it happen again? As far as your vibration have you checked you motor mounts they like to fall apart after time.

 

[LambdaJoker]

I plan on getting the bse kit, but I want to do it whenever I decide to pull the engine out. Right now my gst is my daily driver, and with my busy schedule, I can't afford much downtime. After I get my GSX running again, ill do the bse to my gst since I'll have a car to transport me to wherever I need to be. I'm sure that when the po did the maintenance on the car, he never had the bs belt replaced. Since I'm getting a new bs belt, I'm sure it'll last a good while without any issues.
Motor mounts are still good, except for the front one.

 

[DSM1G90]

When the BS belt broke, it made the main T-belt hop a tooth off time, but not enough to send the pistons into the valves.

oil pump sprocket (and even the front BS sprocket) alignment has to do with the balance shaft behind that sprocket - has nothing to do with valve timing.

 

[LambdaJoker]

Alright, so yesterday I completed my tbelt job along with a new thermostat and water pump. It took me awhile to get the tension correct, but I eventually got it, but I fear I may have set it a little too tight. I can hear a slight whining sound coming from my belt, but I'm not sure if it's my accessories belts or my tbelt. My buddy installed the accessories belts, but I need to replace them anyways. So today I will look into getting those and replacing them, and if the whining persists, it may be because I could have probably overtightened my tbelt a little too much. This can shorten the lfe of the bearings, correct?
I don't want my 2g to have the same fate as my 1g when I did the tbelt on it. Everything seemed good, and within a month, the tensioner crapped out on it, but I also just replaced only the tbelt thinking it would be good. Back then in my more noob days I didn't realize I should have replaced all the tbelt components. But i feel more at peace after this recent tbelt job because i replaced all components and did it exactly as the vfaq says, just that slight whining has me a little worried. with that said, roughly how many miles should I wait for the tbelt to properly "break in" so I can start puttin the air pedal to the floor?

 

[phunny]

Alright, so yesterday I completed my tbelt job along with a new thermostat and water pump. It took me awhile to get the tension correct, but I eventually got it, but I fear I may have set it a little too tight. I can hear a slight whining sound coming from my belt, but I'm not sure if it's my accessories belts or my tbelt. My buddy installed the accessories belts, but I need to replace them anyways. So today I will look into getting those and replacing them, and if the whining persists, it may be because I could have probably overtightened my tbelt a little too much. This can shorten the lfe of the bearings, correct?
I don't want my 2g to have the same fate as my 1g when I did the tbelt on it. Everything seemed good, and within a month, the tensioner crapped out on it, but I also just replaced only the tbelt thinking it would be good. Back then in my more noob days I didn't realize I should have replaced all the tbelt components. But i feel more at peace after this recent tbelt job because i replaced all components and did it exactly as the vfaq says, just that slight whining has me a little worried. with that said, roughly how many miles should I wait for the tbelt to properly "break in" so I can start puttin the air pedal to the floor?

Spray some lube on the belt and see if squeaking stops.

I hear ya about the tensioner

 

[DSM1G90]

..never heard of belts needing "breaking in" - If you do it right the first time...