The undercover ebay 16g

[pj91gsx]

Just when i though i seen it all... Here is a turbo i bought, it had a lot of in and out play only. The turbo is rebuildable, but its a fake. Im going to stop looking at the compressor housings now, because this one was undercover. So... i decide to share how to spot a fake... not by the housings.

The main thing is the balance mark on the MHI compressor wheel. The ebay doesnt have one.

The 2nd thing is the oil feed to the thrust washer and bearings. Its a different formation.

3rd thing is the rear clip holding the rear bearing in

4 the shaft is bigger, the rear oil seal is in a different location

There is more but i just wanted to mention the main external pieces that are different. Of course the rebuild kits are different too.

any ?s

 

[dsm-onster]

Capitalism is a b!tch (in a sense, when is it not) when you are trying to be safe in your purchase while going across continents and cultural laws. It's becoming apparent that the only way to curb the fakes is to stifle the medium that allows it to exist, ebay. . . but that will kill many opportunities to buy good used REAL articles (capitalism fails itself again). . . Still, there are local classifieds that would be more than willing to take up the slack.

. . . TD05H is also in larger font I believe on that replica. . .

The other option is that some a$$ swapped on a real MHI compressor cover to dupe you and I.

 

[pj91gsx]

Capitalism is a b!tch when you have to go across continents and cultural laws to be safe in your purchase.

. . . TD05H is also in larger font I believe. . .

The cover is an MHI. It was an ebay CHRA with real MHI housings (turbine and compressor)

 

[JusMX141]

Cover was swapped. It's happened to me before as well....which is why I buy less cores to rebuild anymore. You can't trust anyone.

I didn't even complain to the seller which had the turbo listed as a Genuine MHI Evo III. Trying to make him understand / believe I knew what I was talking about even if he was indeed guilty of swapping a Chinese CHRA into MHI turbine and compressor housings would've been a losing battle....so I just took it in the ass.


Not all MHI compressors have balance grinds at the center of the wheel, so don't use that as a deciding factor.

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[SpawnedX]

I bought my 16G new from FP, you know what the benefit of it is? No offense to these two guys here, but I don't have to pay someone to rebuild my turbo and I know it's real! Who really saved money here?

 

[pj91gsx]

Cover was swapped. It's happened to me before as well....which is why I buy less cores to rebuild anymore. You can't trust anyone.

yea im thinking about just buying 14bs, this is getting annoying. I had one case where, someone sent me a picture of a Real MHI 16g, and then sent me an ebay turbo. Im about to just make my own brand of turbos "Austin's finest" that noone can copy, because it will be so complex that, all the bolts that hold it together are neither metric, nor standard, they are "Austin special size." I think im onto something.!

 

[dsm-onster]

There was a clear and fully proven time that ebay was a great place to buy used stuff. If it wern't for greed, everything would be fine. But. . .

. . .Anyhow, yes. I've been of the opinion lately to only buy what I can touch. So I go to where the parts are. If it's "out of reach", I don't let someone else get me closer like ebay. Ebay now can't be trusted. How can a website control intentional willful mischief? Anything has a loophole.

 

[pj91gsx]

I bought my 16G new from FP, you know what the benefit of it is? No offense to these two guys here, but I don't have to pay someone to rebuild my turbo and I know it's real! Who really saved money here?

I did ! i still beat you on the price . If i dont get a refund i lose 130, but ive still made money on others.

 

[JusMX141]

I bought my 16G new from FP, you know what the benefit of it is? No offense to these two guys here, but I don't have to pay someone to rebuild my turbo and I know it's real!

Right, because MHI turbos never blow for any reason....even if your engine is putting metal into the oil supply.

All turbo brands need rebuilt at some point depending on how they're used and cared for. Some need serviced more often than others (ahem- PTE).

 

[SpawnedX]

Did you really beat me on price? Because in the end mine legitimately is brand new, not just rebuilt and we both secretly know that a brand new MHI has a better chance at longevity.

Yes Justin, but when my 16G blows, I just put a 20G on, and when that blows an FP3065 is in my future. And I still didn't have to repay anyone to rebuild it right out of the box.

 

[pj91gsx]

Cover was swapped. It's happened to me before as well....which is why I buy less cores to rebuild anymore. You can't trust anyone.

I didn't even complain to the seller which had the turbo listed as a Genuine MHI Evo III. Trying to make him understand / believe I knew what I was talking about even if he was indeed guilty of swapping a Chinese CHRA into MHI turbine and compressor housings would've been a losing battle....so I just took it in the ass.


Not all MHI compressors have balance grinds at the center of the wheel, so don't use that as a deciding factor.

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Good info! here is a ebay balance mark, deciding factor.

 

[dsm-onster]

Well, rebuild of a REAL part is what is being debated here though, Michael. But it's sad but yet not shocking that even the rest of the world is adopting the same philosophy as chinese vendors. I think it's "typical" now that even regular ebay users are swapping covers onto chinese chras. . . They KNOW what the product is. No one is so net illiterate to chinese knockoffs but still able to put the cover of a REAL MHI turbo onto a chinese chra. After all, correct me if I'm wrong, but that is a 14b compressor cover. That had to be machined to fit a 16g in the first place.

 

[SpawnedX]

I think what I am saying is going over people's heads. Sending a turbo you have owned to be rebuilt by these two excellently skilled guys is different from saving yourself the hassle of buying unknown used turbos that may or may not need rebuilding.

As much as I agree with the point of this thread. Unless you have a real MHI sitting next to you, the average person making a cursory visual inspection is not going to find most of what is referenced here.

 

[pj91gsx]

There was a clear and fully proven time that ebay was a great place to buy used stuff. If it wern't for greed, everything would be fine. But. . .

. . .Anyhow, yes. I've been of the opinion lately to only buy what I can touch. So I go to where the parts are. If it's "out of reach", I don't let someone else get me closer like ebay. Ebay now can't be trusted. How can a website control intentional willful mischief? Anything has a loophole.

Ebay has buyer protection, where the customers actually WIN! I won all the cases i had threw ebays buyer protection. However i got this turbo from a member on here, im hoping he will help me out, because i dont want to screw someone over with this. I can use the hotside and maybe the cover. The in and out play hit the cover once before, on a different turbo, so i might be screwed x2.

 

[JusMX141]

Good info! here is a ebay balance mark, deciding factor.

Yup, Chinese and Taiwan wheels are balanced on the back of the wheel, Garrett-style....where MHI and Holset grind cuts in the outside radius of the wheel.

 

[SpawnedX]

Ebay has buyer protection, where the customers actually WIN! I won all the cases i had threw ebays buyer protection. However i got this turbo from a member on here, im hoping he will help me out, because i dont want to screw someone over with this. I can use the hotside and maybe the cover. The in and out play hit the cover once before, on a different turbo, so i might be screwed x2.

eBay and PayPal always side with the customer even when the customer is wrong. I know, because I got screwed and can't have my own PayPal anymore for it. I sold a Dell laptop display in mint condition, tested working. The person tells me they got it and it was cracked. I said it wasn't when it left my hands and you didn't want the insurance, sorry, SOL. They opened a claim against PayPal. Their claim. "Broken when I got it." No details at all, I provided pictures, screenshots of the sale and the no refunds or warranties, a document from a local computer store confirming it was working. PayPal didn't even read it they just sided with the customer and told them to send it back to me.

I get it back and it is an HP monitor, so I contact PayPal. They tell me to get a police report. I go to the police station and they tell me they can't write up a report for a civil matter as this. I call PayPal and they tell me I am SOL and have to pay the money back. I refuse and call my bank to block PayPal. Now I can no longer use PayPal, annoying since they are a monopoly, but at least the wife has it still.

So the point of my rant...just open a claim, you will win, even if you send the guy poop in a box back.

 

[dsm-onster]

You are right. The only saving grace I had for a false claim against me for a ported e6 turbo ford manifold that I had was the fact that I had a 'certified contents' attachment to my postage. What got back from original recipient was NOT even an exhaust manifold. And I knew the mailman in the post office and he knew first hand what I sent; I fortunately live in a tiny town where everyone knows your first name.

I think what I am saying is going over people's heads. Sending a turbo you have owned to be rebuilt by these two excellently skilled guys is different from saving yourself the hassle of buying unknown used turbos that may or may not need rebuilding.

As much as I agree with the point of this thread. Unless you have a real MHI sitting next to you, the average person making a cursory visual inspection is not going to find most of what is referenced here.

Knowing your purchase is what FP is selling? Well, I hope they don't get greedy either. . .

 

[pj91gsx]

I didnt need to open up a claim or anything, the guy is from the site, so he is letting me trade if for something else. possibly a s16g.