The Official "What's this DSM worth?" Thread

[kalilay]

im pretty new to dsm's and cars generally...i really like the 1g dsms...so here it is...1990 plymouth laser rs (fwd)with 120k on the car and 68k on the engine...real nice interior...nice rims...td05 turbo...he wants 2200 for it...ive got the money plus a couple thousand in hand ....good buy or not? thanks everyone

 

[Auto RS T]

Sounds like a deal to me. I'm sure you could talk him down some more though, the car is 16 years old. I'm sure it still needs some work. Have you driven it yet? Performance wise it looks like it needs some supporting mods if you are going to boost it over stock levels.

To help with some DSM knowledge 90-91 Lasers only came in FWD so there wouldn't be an AWD option for those years.

 

[10minutequarter]

Make sure you do some research on FWD. You might not like it. I say offer him $1900 in hundreds.

 

[dsmvr4182]

sounds like a good deal.

 

[glutetoot]

I their i'm looking to get a 92 eclipse gsx. the guy told me that the engine runs good, the tranny needs to be replaced, 120k miles and it needs to be painted. the interior is in perfect condition. How much is it worth? this would be my first dsm and i'm not 100% fimilar with them.

Also their is a stock 92 plymouth laser rs in very good condition that i'm looking at. He's asking $3500, is that to much?

thanks for your help!

 

[blackbyrd]

With the extremely limited details you provided, I will give you my thoughts on the cars, so you dont get shafted.
The eclipse, I would say 1,000 is generous.
The plymouth, it depends what plymouth really, but assuming is rs turbo awd, and only has 100,000k miles on it, and in perfect condition, kelly blue book only has it's retail value(which is always obeesedly high) at 3,450.But there private party value is only 2,450...
If it's in great condition, turbo awd, 100k, I would say 2,500 tops.. There's pleanty of good deals on DSMs, you just have to look around, and be careful.
Good Luck!

 

[fatboyq]

So I found a Mint "show room" clean 91 Talson TSI 5 speed, car has 84k on it no rust, dings, scratches anything at all. Motor is so clean you can eat off it, adult owned was bone stock till 2k miles ago. mods done by a mechanic no back yard hack job.

Evo3 16g turbo new
Evo3 manifold new
New t-belts, tensioner etc
Extreme PSi upper and lower IC piping
Maf Translator
act 2600
fidenza flywheel
slave rod
new tires
255L walbro
660 injecters
new oil pan gasket
new alternator
new battery


What would you pay?
only thing that sucks is that it's FWD not AWD.

 

[brute]

$3000.

 

[fatboyq]

he has allot more mods that I have listed somewhere, honestly I have not seen one this clean since 1991! if you were to put the window stickers on it and put it in a showroom it can pass for new thats how clean I'm talking about. He is asking 6k which I think is high however all the parts have less than 1or 2k miles on them. Carpet and seats no stains at all, motor not a drop of oil or grease anywhere.

 

[brute]

6k is way too much. I'd never pay that much for a 1g. Maybe a nice 2g, but definitely not a 1g. Especially a FWD one. If you want it and have the money, sounds like a nice car. However, when it comes to me, I'd rather buy an unmodded AWD 1g for like $3000 and spend the other $3000 in maintenance and mods. But that's just me.

 

[ChvyKc]

I paid 3000 for my car. It was basically bone stock except for a cat-back and a 2600. Had a new head and a head gasket and it did already have the wheels on it (which I really didn't care about).

I've personally had a guy offer me 4500 cash for my car as it is right now. I wouldn't pay 6000 for it though. That is way to much. I would think that 5000 is pushing it.

 

[glutetoot]

Also their is a stock 92 plymouth laser rs in very good condition that i'm looking at. He's asking $3500, is that to much?

thanks for your help!

I just got a hold of him and this is what he told me.

The car runs just fine. It has a slight exhaust leak on the downpipe somewhere which creates a little noise. As far as things that are wrong, mostly cosmetic, but stuff you could expect when buying a '92. A dent in the front driver's side fender, hard to notice most of the time. The standard early 90's car rockchips in the hood. And a couple little broken pieces on the edge of the taillights. It really is a very nice 1g.

Ah yes, as far as things replaced? I've put about $2500+ into it (not including cost of car) in the past year, probably $3500total. It had $1800 worth of work done in Januaray. That included bypassing the idle-speed-control motor (this causes it to have a high idle, but its completely fine), all new belts including that all-important timing belt. New wiring to the ecu from the sensors. New MAF sensor. New window tracks so the windows roll up correctly. Some work on the rear suspension struts. New winshield. I have receipts for all that work.

I also replaced all the coolant temp sensors, I have receipts for those. I'd have to say that came out to $300 or so. O2 sensor also.

As far as what it has when I bought it: MBC, A/F ratio guage, Boost guage, 2" downpipe, 3" cat-back through the stock muffler though (it appears fairly stock except for the guages.) The engine was rebuilt about 25k miles before I bought it. This included the tranny. When apart they removed the balance shafts and also put in 2g pistons. It has a 95-99 exhaust manifold. It has a cut airbox with a K&N air filter. It has no fog lights to increase flow to the SMIC. It also has a GVR4 transmission. Oh ya, I also replaced the hatch struts so its one of those RARE 1g's where the hatch actually opens fine!

14b turbo. When I bought it, the moron before had put the clutch in backwards. So it has an exedy clutch with a fair amount more grip than the stock unit now. Good clutch feel.
It has eibach springs all around. It has 2g talon rims, if you couldn't tell by the pictures. I will be giving with the purchase of the vehicle: extra miscellaneous parts, belts, etc. A 2x10" sub box that is meant to fit in the back of this vehicle. (also in there already). The cd/mp3 player I installed and the pioneer 3-way pioneer 6x9's in the back seat.

They fixed all the leaks when I had it in the shop in january. It's leaking oil slightly, but not EATING the oil so all piston rings are just fine. I have had to add like half a quart over a 3 month period.

all in all I hope this helps, the car is a blast to drive, and I've pretty much babied it for gas mileage and that's a shame! It's never been in a race. And it got me through winter without ever needing snow tires! And that reminds me, it also recently had a 4wheel alignment. About another $200, and I'm pretty sure I have the receipt for that too.

6/4 It has a 6bolt motor, and a 4bolt rearend.
also new clutchfork/clutch master and slave cylinders
big brakes from the '93 to '94 cars were also added.



So what do you guys think that it is worth. I'm going to look at it in two days. I't a three hour drive and I only want to make one trip. So i want to know about how much you guys think it is worth. Please let me know your thoughts. thanks

 

[blackbyrd]

Okay, he's definitely full of it on some of the pricing he's telling you..
And even if he put 3500 into it, it doesnt mean its worth 3500 by any means.. Ask anyone else who has put good money into a car and then tried to sell it.. You normaly dont see all of that back..
Now for the pricing, 1800 in january, seems to be a few hundred dollars high for everything. And a lot of that doesn't make sense, bypass isc, new wires to sensors, etc...
Oh the aligment's halarious, 200 and hes pretty sure he has the reciept?
I doubt he does, because I've had my car aligned 3 times and it was 60-65 bucks.
300 for the coolant temp sensors(which both only cost about 60bucks, and take about 5 minutes to change)
It's leaking oil.. bottom line, it needs to be fixed, and without knowing what it could be, it could be a few hundred dollar repair.
Oh and the body work could easily cost a couple hundred.
And the exhaust leak could be a cracked pipe, which could cost a couple hundred dollars.
I dont believe a lot of his pricing, unless he was just getting reemed by some mechanic.
All in all it seems like he's done a lot of average work to the car, I'd be curious to why he's selling it? Has it just been problem after problem, and is he fed up, or is he in need of the money.. Most people who put that much work into there car, are attatched.
All in all it seems like(without seeing it) could be a decent car.
But for 3,500? It still seems a little high.
with the body damages, oil leak, exhaust leak, I wouldn't offer much over 2,500 for that car.. But that's just me..


More notes:
He still failed to mention the type of plymouth rs turbo.. is it awd?
And also the mileage. 25k before he bought it but has he put 50k on it?
And a 2" downpipe?? thats smaller then factory stock(2 1/4) to a 3" downpipe?? crazy..

Good luck, it may be worth it, I really can't tell you...

 

[glutetoot]

Okay, he's definitely full of it on some of the pricing he's telling you..
And even if he put 3500 into it, it doesnt mean its worth 3500 by any means.. Ask anyone else who has put good money into a car and then tried to sell it.. You normaly dont see all of that back..
Now for the pricing, 1800 in january, seems to be a few hundred dollars high for everything. And a lot of that doesn't make sense, bypass isc, new wires to sensors, etc...
Oh the aligment's halarious, 200 and hes pretty sure he has the reciept?
I doubt he does, because I've had my car aligned 3 times and it was 60-65 bucks.
300 for the coolant temp sensors(which both only cost about 60bucks, and take about 5 minutes to change)
It's leaking oil.. bottom line, it needs to be fixed, and without knowing what it could be, it could be a few hundred dollar repair.
Oh and the body work could easily cost a couple hundred.
And the exhaust leak could be a cracked pipe, which could cost a couple hundred dollars.
I dont believe a lot of his pricing, unless he was just getting reemed by some mechanic.
All in all it seems like he's done a lot of average work to the car, I'd be curious to why he's selling it? Has it just been problem after problem, and is he fed up, or is he in need of the money.. Most people who put that much work into there car, are attatched.
All in all it seems like(without seeing it) could be a decent car.
But for 3,500? It still seems a little high.
with the body damages, oil leak, exhaust leak, I wouldn't offer much over 2,500 for that car.. But that's just me..


More notes:
He still failed to mention the type of plymouth rs turbo.. is it awd?
And also the mileage. 25k before he bought it but has he put 50k on it?
And a 2" downpipe?? thats smaller then factory stock(2 1/4) to a 3" downpipe?? crazy..

Good luck, it may be worth it, I really can't tell you...

sorry if forgot to mention it is awd. I know it seems like he is making it sound a little bettter than it is. i was think of offering him about 2800 and see where it goes. and i wonder if he ment 3" downpipe. because that is really weird. He said he was going to call me today some time i will let you know what he says. thanks for your help. This is my first dsm and i don't know that much about them yet.

 

[kawboy]

Price on a 96 Automatic Eclipse GS-T, in MINT mechanical condition, and good cosmetic condition. Red with grey leather, ALL factory options. Needs NOTHING.

New timing belt, waterpump, balance shaft belt, accessory belt, pulleys, tensioners, suspension is all redone, 120k mile maintence performed at dealer, new wheel bearings, recent brakes, etc etc.

PRICE?

 

[glutetoot]

Okay, he's definitely full of it on some of the pricing he's telling you..
And even if he put 3500 into it, it doesnt mean its worth 3500 by any means.. Ask anyone else who has put good money into a car and then tried to sell it.. You normaly dont see all of that back..
Now for the pricing, 1800 in january, seems to be a few hundred dollars high for everything. And a lot of that doesn't make sense, bypass isc, new wires to sensors, etc...
Oh the aligment's halarious, 200 and hes pretty sure he has the reciept?
I doubt he does, because I've had my car aligned 3 times and it was 60-65 bucks.
300 for the coolant temp sensors(which both only cost about 60bucks, and take about 5 minutes to change)
It's leaking oil.. bottom line, it needs to be fixed, and without knowing what it could be, it could be a few hundred dollar repair.
Oh and the body work could easily cost a couple hundred.
And the exhaust leak could be a cracked pipe, which could cost a couple hundred dollars.
I dont believe a lot of his pricing, unless he was just getting reemed by some mechanic.
All in all it seems like he's done a lot of average work to the car, I'd be curious to why he's selling it? Has it just been problem after problem, and is he fed up, or is he in need of the money.. Most people who put that much work into there car, are attatched.
All in all it seems like(without seeing it) could be a decent car.
But for 3,500? It still seems a little high.
with the body damages, oil leak, exhaust leak, I wouldn't offer much over 2,500 for that car.. But that's just me..


More notes:
He still failed to mention the type of plymouth rs turbo.. is it awd?
And also the mileage. 25k before he bought it but has he put 50k on it?
And a 2" downpipe?? thats smaller then factory stock(2 1/4) to a 3" downpipe?? crazy..

Good luck, it may be worth it, I really can't tell you...

ya i forgot to say it is AWD. just talked to him. He said that he took out the balance shaft. Is this Bad? He said that it has galantvr4 transmission. Are these just and good and the stock tranny or are they carp? Also i got the impression that the tire might need to be replaced. their is a small tare in the headliner. one small ding/dent in the drivers side fender. So with all this said what do you guys think that it is worth. His said the only reason why he has it at $3500 is because that is how much he put into it. My guess is he is trying to get his money out of it.

please let me know what you guys think i should pay.

 

[blackbyrd]

Tell him, that no one gets there money back. He should've realized that before he put it in. I've put over 5grand into my car(thats just in parts, i did all the work hundreds of hours), and paid 2g for it. And i doubt i could get 5 out of it, as hard as i tried.
Removing the balance shafts is generaly a decent idea, as it's one more thing to worry about breaking in your engine.
Replacement tire -100$
Dent in the fender -100$
Headliner -40$
On top of the above things i've mentioned...
I really dont think its worth more then 2500..
You can offer 2800 if you really want the car.. Another large factor on the price(apart from condition of the engine) is the mileage on the motor..
Oh and the gr4 transmission is good as long as he replaced the differential with it.

 

[glutetoot]

Tell him, that no one gets there money back. He should've realized that before he put it in. I've put over 5grand into my car(thats just in parts, i did all the work hundreds of hours), and paid 2g for it. And i doubt i could get 5 out of it, as hard as i tried.
Removing the balance shafts is generaly a decent idea, as it's one more thing to worry about breaking in your engine.
Replacement tire -100$
Dent in the fender -100$
Headliner -40$
On top of the above things i've mentioned...
I really dont think its worth more then 2500..
You can offer 2800 if you really want the car.. Another large factor on the price(apart from condition of the engine) is the mileage on the motor..
Oh and the gr4 transmission is good as long as he replaced the differential with it.

he said that there is about 37k on the motor. What would not having the gvr4 differential be bad. so you think that it is only worth 2500. Man that is alot cheaper than what he is asking. that's almost a third of what he is asking. should i bring a print out of kbb.com with me to show him that it is only worht 2400. i will let you know what happens

 

[blackbyrd]

I'd print out the kbb private party report, with an appropiate condition.
I thought the galant trans had different gear ratios and you had to switch out the diff's with them. I'll look into that.
37k is really low, that's a good plus.. Depending on everything, it could be worth more than 2500.. It's really hard for us to try to guess how decent of a car is through a forum, ya know?
When you see it try to determine where the leak is, and calculate that, and all other repairs into the cost. Check compression, boost leak, shaft play, body damage/patch, etc etc..

 

[kawboy]

Price on a 96 Automatic Eclipse GS-T, in MINT mechanical condition, and good cosmetic condition. Red with grey leather, ALL factory options. Needs NOTHING.

New timing belt, waterpump, balance shaft belt, accessory belt, pulleys, tensioners, suspension is all redone, 120k mile maintence performed at dealer, new wheel bearings, recent brakes, etc etc.

PRICE?

BTW pic in gallery and avatar

 

[glutetoot]

I'd print out the kbb private party report, with an appropiate condition.
I thought the galant trans had different gear ratios and you had to switch out the diff's with them. I'll look into that.
37k is really low, that's a good plus.. Depending on everything, it could be worth more than 2500.. It's really hard for us to try to guess how decent of a car is through a forum, ya know?
When you see it try to determine where the leak is, and calculate that, and all other repairs into the cost. Check compression, boost leak, shaft play, body damage/patch, etc etc..

He said that he thinks that it is coming form the oil return line form the turbo. he also said that he did a leak test and found one small leak and fixed it.

so do you think that a 2800 offer does not sound like to much, from the information i has so far?

 

[highvan]

This car is located near me and it looks like it might be worth the money to get it. What do you think? Thanks, B

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

, looks like you forgot something.

 

[GSTeclipse]

This car is located near me and it looks like it might be worth the money to get it. What do you think? Thanks, B

humm..no link or anything

 

[dyno_detour]

From what I can see, I say go for it