T28...where can I find one?

[805LegendDSM]

I hear there's a T28, and a big T28...

Just like the title says where can I find either of them?

Found a Big Garret T28 for about 1000.00 give or take that's a turbo id love to put my money on...

But is there such thing as a T28? Mitsubishi turbo from a certain cr that's supposedly a bolt on to our 4g63?

Like can I find them in cars? Junk yards? Or are these turbo no factory made with vehicles and are just a replacement turbos like the FP big T28?

 

[Pipnorcali]

Fp big28 is the way to go..send in your t25 n they upgraded it for you(way cheaper than a grand) for 1k there are better turbos out there

they came on nissan as well stock but thats not a fp version.

 

[Phantom DSM]

I hear there's a T28, and a big T28...

Just like the title says where can I find either of them?

Found a Big Garret T28 for about 1000.00 give or take that's a turbo id love to put my money on...

But is there such thing as a T28? Mitsubishi turbo from a certain cr that's supposedly a bolt on to our 4g63?

Like can I find them in cars? Junk yards? Or are these turbo no factory made with vehicles and are just a replacement turbos like the FP big T28?

If you happen to go on the FP website, you will quickly notice, your $1k can get you a way better performing turbo than a T-28.
I know its your car and we cant tell you what to get, but if you crunch the numbers and how much better you can get for your money, you'll quickly know what we mean.
Even a used Evo III 16g can be had for less than 400, depends on your goals if you wanna share.

 

[Dsmkauai]

Gpop shop sells them!

 

[Phantom DSM]

Gpop shop sells them!

G-Pop Shop :: Uncategorized :: Mitsubishi/DSM Turbos
I just looked it up bro,dang $885
720 bucks for a rebuilt T-25

 

[Bud92gsx]

"Where can i get one"

PM JusMx141 and save some money.

 

[bigbird94]

I would NEVER reccomend a t25 or t28.

Look into a tdo5h based turbo (14b/16g/20g). They will require some modification to fit (aassuming you have a stock 2g) but will be well worth. STM makes a kit to dp the swap and im sure there is an ebay equivalent that works just fine.

People have gotten in the 12s easy on a 14b and they can be had for around $100 if you look in the classifieds.

 

[travs_dsm]

I'm not sure a 16G is THAT much better than a FP T28. Look at the flow numbers they are pretty similar. There is a member on here who took one to 348AWHP. Not bad for a direct bolt-on turbo. Not saying it is better than a 16G, but for an easy install, low lag turbo, it is not a terrible option for 2nd Gen DSMs. Also, it looks 100% stock, which can be a bonus depending on your local smog laws.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

It doesnt change that the t25/28 have a shitty thrust collar and will fail quicker than a 16g though.

 

[travs_dsm]

It doesnt change that the t25/28 have a shitty thrust collar and will fail quicker than a 16g though.

You may be right there. I never pushed a T-25 beyond stock. The one on my old GSX had a 140,000 miles, but at stock boost. Honestly, I don't have enough experience on them running higher boost to give an educated opinion on their longevity.

 

[Archer Fabrications]

Me neither. I swapped in 6bolt and 6152 before i could blow mine but i ran it at 17psi peak.. Sold it to a honda guy who probably ended up killing it and or throwing it away .

 

[travs_dsm]

Me neither. I swapped in 6bolt and 6152 before i could blow mine but i ran it at 17psi peak.. Sold it to a honda guy who probably ended up killing it and or throwing it away .

Right on!

 

[Pipnorcali]

My fpt28 has been on my car since 2005 (8 years) and I beat the shit outta it. Great lil turbo and I spank 16g guys all the time..haha

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

If you want a t28 then go for it. Everyone will sit here and tell you to just go with a tdo5h turbo and they are great turbos but 99% of the people that say the t28 is crap or don't waste your time have never ran one. It's a great little turbo.

Once you get 30 post post a WTB add in the classified section. Could get a good one for around 400 maybe less

 

[805LegendDSM]

If you want a t28 then go for it. Everyone will sit here and tell you to just go with a tdo5h turbo and they are great turbos but 99% of the people that say the t28 is crap or don't waste your time have never ran one. It's a great little turbo.

Once you get 30 post post a WTB add in the classified section. Could get a good one for around 400 maybe less

Thank you so much, you out of all I these people really just pretty much answered my question...

Everyone just started to compare the two and even mentioned 16g ...

And All garret big t28 are around 800-900 plus shipping I summed it up to 1000. I've had a Evo3 16g and a big 16g both each outlasted my DSMs...

I just never really came across a big T28 or a the t28..

Now does a regular T28 have a compressor housing like the t25 too? Because all the T28s I come across have like T25 Nissan SR20 housings and won't bolt on to a dsm?

 

[Pipnorcali]

I told ya in the first post to call fp n send in a t25..($595 I believe)
just use the search tab all the t28 info is there its a old turbo that was big in the 05 era

 

[JusMX141]

A TB2578 (DSM "Big T28") is the exact same turbo in terms of spool and airflow potential as a Small 16G. The only reason it differs is because it's made by Garrett, and it's a direct-fit turbo for a 2G using all of the factory oil lines and intercooler piping.

There's no reason to spend $1000 on one unless you're hellbent on a direct-fit factory 2G upgrade turbo, but if you do the Garrett part number 705329-0002 if it's even still available.

 

[99ECLIPSEGSXDSM]

You're looking at the wrong t-28 if you're comparing it to the Nissan t28. Like Justin pointed out in his post, the two turbos have different part numbers and they don't look alike. The t-28 for a dsm will look exactly like a stock t25 and people will think it is one.

Here's what they look like compared to a t25

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/190037-how-tell-its-t-28-a.html

Just keep reading about the t28 until you buy one. I've probably read every thread on this forum about them and I think I've only came across one person who was disappointed with it because he seemed to want 50 trim power with t25 spool. Just can't happen

 

[805LegendDSM]

I told ya in the first post to call fp n send in a t25..($595 I believe)
just use the search tab all the t28 info is there its a old turbo that was big in the 05 era

Yea I read that part, sending in my t25 to convert it to a t28 for cheaper price isn't a bad idea...

I've looked everywhere...can't really find a DSM T28...except the garret big T28 do about 800 bucks

A TB2578 (DSM "Big T28") is the exact same turbo in terms of spool and airflow potential as a Small 16G. The only reason it differs is because it's made by Garrett, and it's a direct-fit turbo for a 2G using all of the factory oil lines and intercooler piping.

There's no reason to spend $1000 on one unless you're hellbent on a direct-fit factory 2G upgrade turbo, but if you do the Garrett part number 705329-0002 if it's even still available.

Well, the T28 being compared to (any) 16g isn't new to me I seen it being discuss in almost every dam t28 thread...

Only reason why, I want a T28 or big T28...is mainly because I just recently discovered you can have this setup with stock fuel support (injectors, pump and ECU) ...just bolt ons it's still a street setup.

And my goals aren't 340whp...

Neither do I want to squeeze the life out of the T25 that have over 2 rebuilds and 275k miles on it...

I have a GsT automatic. I wan a reliable turbo if I hav to spend 500-800 bucks on one that looks identical to a T25 then I will. I'm looking for a turbo that can last me, scratch that...WILL last me 100k miles not 5000...see what I mean?

An yea the 14b and small 16g is always a good setup...but all require fuel support mods.(I think)

Another concern is, from experience my local law enforcement don't take it lightly they can easily identify a 16g (j pipe) in my engine bay and automatically know it's not factory, (even if it is a mhI turbo) these officers one time mistaken my car to have a 6bolt swap and demanded to see smog and wanted my car inspected or pay the fine.

Why? I'm in Southern California and recently in my county street racing just escalated .

I told ya in the first post to call fp n send in a t25..($595 I believe)
just use the search tab all the t28 info is there its a old turbo that was big in the 05 era

Thank you by the way, you did directed me I the right and cheapest path.

You're looking at the wrong t-28 if you're comparing it to the Nissan t28. Like Justin pointed out in his post, the two turbos have different part numbers and they don't look alike. The t-28 for a dsm will look exactly like a stock t25 and people will think it is one.

Here's what they look like compared to a t25

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/190037-how-tell-its-t-28-a.html

Just keep reading about the t28 until you buy one. I've probably read every thread on this forum about them and I think I've only came across one person who was disappointed with it because he seemed to want 50 trim power with t25 spool. Just can't happen

Yea I know the difference within the two, what I'm trying to say is I can't honestly find a (DSM) t28 that's a direct bolt on everywhere I look they have the Nissan T28...

And I have yet come across someone disappointed with the T28, I hear nothing but good things as well thanks for the link, I'll be doing more research if there's another setup that fits me quite well please share it brother thanks.

 

[JusMX141]

Only reason why, I want a T28 or big T28...is mainly because I just recently discovered you can have this setup with stock fuel support (injectors, pump and ECU) ...just bolt ons it's still a street setup.

Take a guess what you can do with a Small 16G, too....

Neither do I want to squeeze the life out of the T25 that have over 2 rebuilds and 275k miles on it...

The thrust system on both the T25 AND T28 is less-reliable than that of the 14B and 16G....so buying a new T28 isn't going to guarantee much considering it uses the same center housing as a T25 but has a heavier rotating assembly.

I have a GsT automatic. I wan a reliable turbo if I hav to spend 500-800 bucks on one that looks identical to a T25 then I will. I'm looking for a turbo that can last me, scratch that...WILL last me 100k miles not 5000...see what I mean?

...then you want a Small 16G.

I built the Small 16G that Wes is using back in 2008/2009 and probably 100K miles ago knowing him (his car has a ridiculous amount of mileage on it) and it's still alive. He's definitely not easy on it by any means.

An yea the 14b and small 16g is always a good setup...but all require fuel support mods.(I think)

You need to do more research. A 14B is SMALLER than a T28, and I already explained that a Small 16G has the same size compressor. There's no reason those would require fuel mods and a T28 doesn't.

Another concern is, from experience my local law enforcement don't take it lightly they can easily identify a 16g (j pipe) in my engine bay and automatically know it's not factory, (even if it is a mhI turbo) these officers one time mistaken my car to have a 6bolt swap and demanded to see smog and wanted my car inspected or pay the fine.

There you go- there's a completely-logical reason right there. Definitely have to please the locals if you want to stay legal!

Want a reliable T28? Buy a Garrett GT2860R CHRA and have your T25 housings machined to accept the larger wheels. You'll end up with the same turbo as if you bought a new journal bearing TB2578, except it will be ball bearing. Go even bigger with a 2871 CHRA if you want.

 

[4Lurker4]

Want a reliable T28? Buy a Garrett GT2860R CHRA and have your T25 housings machined to accept the larger wheels. You'll end up with the same turbo as if you bought a new journal bearing TB2578, except it will be ball bearing. Go even bigger with a 2871 CHRA if you want.

Out of curiosity, the T28 cover would fit over the Garrett GT2860R compressor blade? Would be interesting since they are close in price. I take it ball bearing is quicker spooling (never used one myself)?

 

[JusMX141]

Out of curiosity, the T28 cover would fit over the Garrett GT2860R compressor blade?

I *think* the 2860R has a slightly smaller inducer- would be a 60-trim compressor versus the 62-trim wheel that the DSM TB2578 uses. Peak airflow would be nearly-identical to the point where you may not even notice a difference unless you're really pushing it.

I take it ball bearing is quicker spooling (never used one myself)?

Again, probably- but likely only noticeable on airflow logs and back-to-back dyno charts as the journal bearing T28 already reaches full boost at a rapid pace. The reason to go ball bearing wouldn't be reduced spool as much as increased durability.

 

[travs_dsm]

Just read you have an automatic. Let me give you some advice from experience: The automatic sucks in day to day driving with a larger turbo. I have a brand new FP28 with all supporting mods: intercooler, 780CC injectors, DSMLink, AFPR, 3" Thermal Exhaust, etc... I have a conservative tune at 254AWHP and to be honest, I HATE the way it drives. The auto shifts at the wrong times. It is still a dog off the line driving like a normal person. The only way to get it to move out is to power brake it to 3000 RPM then let off the brakes. It just isn't fun most of the time. At least to me. If the stars align and it shifts when it is supposed to, then it does move pretty well though.

I'm seriously thinking of ripping out my Auto drivetrain, selling it to a drag racer and buying a complete 5speed AWD drivetrain. Auto may be great for drag racing, but I honestly can't stand it at all. It is worse now than when I had the T25. That is my .02 cents and I'm somewhat of a noob so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[805LegendDSM]

You need to do more research. A 14B is SMALLER than a T28, and I already explained that a Small 16G has the same size compressor. There's no reason those would require fuel mods and a T28 doesn't.


There you go- there's a completely-logical reason right there. Definitely have to please the locals if you want to stay legal!

Want a reliable T28? Buy a Garrett GT2860R CHRA and have your T25 housings machined to accept the larger wheels. You'll end up with the same turbo as if you bought a new journal bearing TB2578, except it will be ball bearing. Go even bigger with a 2871 CHRA if you want.

Actually I pretty much got it with all these turbos, and yea sorry I did make it seem like the 14b was as big as a small 16 and required fuel support mods...

I was reffering to the whole Jpipe visual, I know th 14b is considered a small turbo(not small enough since I was able to use one for my 91 accord )

But the whole GT2860R! Got that out a smile on my face not bad of an idea! Time to consider a different route and a 5apd swap! This shall be fun! Thanks a lot guys plenty of useful information!

 

[CrackedDSM]

Just read you have an automatic. Let me give you some advice from experience: The automatic sucks in day to day driving with a larger turbo. I have a brand new FP28 with all supporting mods: intercooler, 780CC injectors, DSMLink, AFPR, 3" Thermal Exhaust, etc... I have a conservative tune at 254AWHP and to be honest, I HATE the way it drives. The auto shifts at the wrong times. It is still a dog off the line driving like a normal person. The only way to get it to move out is to power brake it to 3000 RPM then let off the brakes. It just isn't fun most of the time. At least to me. If the stars align and it shifts when it is supposed to, then it does move pretty well though.

I'm seriously thinking of ripping out my Auto drivetrain, selling it to a drag racer and buying a complete 5speed AWD drivetrain. Auto may be great for drag racing, but I honestly can't stand it at all. It is worse now than when I had the T25. That is my .02 cents and I'm somewhat of a noob so take it with a grain of salt.

Don't take this the wrong way or as if I'm being a dick, but something is wrong if it's that sluggish off the line. Every Auto AWD I've had has had a very nice "snap" to it even on a TD06H 20G. 8.5:1 compression, coupled with the 2G small intake ports and higher velocity IM makes throttle response a whole lot better and low to mid-range power. What you're describing sounds like what you'd get with a restalled torque converter, which is a huge reason why I HATE driving autos with restalled converters on the street/as a daily. Because their response sucks. A tight, stock converter isn't like that. Something I recommend to you is kiggly modding the shifter, as that gives you full line pressure and full user control over your shifts. It extends the life of your transmission, and it makes the experience a WHOLE lot more fun. Full line pressure also helps with the "snap" that you're missing. Don't write off the auto completely just yet when you've not really done anything to it to make it more fun. I would challenge anyone that says driving an auto is boring, to drive a turbo AWD Auto DSM that has the kiggly shifter mod, and that uses a Hurst Promatic style slap-shifter. It's all the fun of banging 5-speed gears with none of the heavy clutch pedals and sea of endless transmission issues that comes with a manual.



I loved my 1G E316G Auto GSX more than my 20G 5-speed GSX, ESPECIALLY on public streets. The properly actuated Cyclone coupled with the 16G and kiggly shifter mod made that car an absolute pleasure to drive in, and out, of traffic. Throttle response was great, torque was great thanks to the Cyclone, spool up was decreased noticeably as well, and if I pinned the gas in the lower gear it would light up all four wheels. I adored it. Funnest street car I've ever had.