Sweetest exhuast I've ever seen!

[ljasonl]

So the set-up is crap...(at least thats the poll winner on here) But is the muffler itself crap or does anyone no if it does what there website says. Its hard to imagine huge gains but maybe 5 to 10 hp (10 pushin it) If it is a great muffler for flow when teamed up with a 3 inch exhaust system then is it a good buy? Say compared to an N1 or whatever.
No heated debates on mufflers either

We had a local guy with a turbo Integra pick up 26 hp and 22 ft/lbs with one of these mufflers. The car only made 143hp and 115 ft/lbs to begin with, so the new 169hp 137 tq numbers were a 18% and 19% gain, respectively. Pretty impressive for an exhaust. Not to mention it actually sounds deep and mean, not buzzy and obnoxious like most Honda (and Mitsu) exhausts.

These are 3rd party dyno proven results...

 

[Stapl3]

We had a local guy with a turbo Integra pick up 26 hp and 22 ft/lbs with one of these mufflers. The car only made 143hp and 115 ft/lbs to begin with, so the new 169hp 137 tq numbers were a 18% and 19% gain, respectively. Pretty impressive for an exhaust. Not to mention it actually sounds deep and mean, not buzzy and obnoxious like most Honda (and Mitsu) exhausts.

These are 3rd party dyno proven results...

Let's see them.

 

[DSMJim]

We had a local guy with a turbo Integra pick up 26 hp and 22 ft/lbs with one of these mufflers. The car only made 143hp and 115 ft/lbs to begin with, so the new 169hp 137 tq numbers were a 18% and 19% gain, respectively. Pretty impressive for an exhaust. Not to mention it actually sounds deep and mean, not buzzy and obnoxious like most Honda (and Mitsu) exhausts.

These are 3rd party dyno proven results...

This is because the car is turbocharged and benefited from a larger exhaust being installed not because of that muffler. Any GSR with a turbokit hooked upto the stock exhaust will see a gain of 26hp and 22ft/lbs going to a 3" exhaust system from a stock 2" unit. I have done these types of gains with custom made mandrel bent exhaust systems using straight through mufflers many times. This gain has nothing to do with the fact that this car is running that ridiculous muffler and everything to do with the fact that the car is turbocharged.

That muffler would not make any more power than any straight though muffler will on any car. I don't care what they say because I have seen gimiks like this come and go many times with all these big claims. That engine additive z-max comes to mind, remember their claims? THey also got sued for false advertising after it was proved their oil additive was nothing more than clear 10-30 motor oil with a wararnty in the box.

Honestly this muffler is nothing more than snake oil in a different box plain and simple.

 

[Hal]

Whoever said that log style manifolds were junk needs to just sit in the corner. Using a log style manifold bolted to a large turbo, such as the GT32, will greatly help with spool up time that on a tubular manifold. Another reason is because they are more reliable, more streetable.

I'm still waiting for some evidence that this manifold design put 600+ to the wheels on a DSM.

 

[Hal]

We had a local guy with a turbo Integra pick up 26 hp and 22 ft/lbs with one of these mufflers. The car only made 143hp and 115 ft/lbs to begin with, so the new 169hp 137 tq numbers were a 18% and 19% gain, respectively. Pretty impressive for an exhaust.

We have a 1g with a B/R 3.5" turbo back exhaust.

I've got $100 that says this muffler won't gain a single h/p on that setup.

Hal

 

[lewroe59]

I'm still waiting for some evidence that this manifold design put 600+ to the wheels on a DSM.

Like I'm gonna waste my time to prove something to you! You call him, POLK performance in Little Rock, AR. Waste your dime, cuz its a reputable shop. Sorry for you peps wanting before and after dyno sheets the turbo was upgraded with the exhaust. I am willing to bet that I make the most hp off of this turbo though...dont even know what others are making with these. Find out and post some dyno sheets of GT3251 turbos.

 

[blitz43]

a muffler is nothing and it lives up to its own name *muffler* muffles the sound of ure exhuast to either to be low or loud.

u can run a str8t pipe from the turbo to the back and does not need muffler
there is no power up grades to having a muffler only accept if u want to polish it, weld designs, or to make ss and shiny so peeps who know nothing about cars can look at u :laugh:

 

[pboglio]

Hal,

You know, its POSSIBLE that on a flow bench this thing has the capability to outflow your average 3" straight thru core muffler at the same pressure drop rating. They are sort of "Cheating" by using a huge inside core diameter. If they designed it like a quasi venturi meter their losses would be minimal and still flow a huge amount. I believe however from their website that the turbulence inside the muffler more than offsets any gains from having a big inside core diameter. This thing really should be flowed against a BORLA 4" or 5" i.d. race muffler, just to keep things on level terms.

Gene

 

[Hal]

Like I'm gonna waste my time to prove something to you! You call him, POLK performance in Little Rock, AR. Waste your dime, cuz its a reputable shop.

Why call Polk, they aren't making the claims... you are.

You're not going to waste your time trying to prove something you can't.

Hal

 

[lewroe59]

"Everybody is so hung up on the heat issue that they are missing the whole reason here !!!! Old Honda civic Dx's have cats (focus and taurus and many others)mounted right up against the radiator and cats ( 1700'F+) run W A Y F V K K I N' H O T T E R than that pipe .............END of story ...............Lewis WANTED a front mounted /right frontexit system ,we tried to do a under turbo mount but the bends would be stupid tight......so we weighed the alternitives and came up with the" up swept design" .........The HOOD has a FACTORY HEAT SHIELD.....and one is being fabbed up for the radiator now.I bet half the " disapprovers "on DSM loser.crap couldnt fabricate or design a setup to keep thier hands off thier p3ni$ ,MUCH less car thats NOT a CLONE of every other DSM on the net......
The first time Don Gartlits showed up at the US Nationals with his newly designed Rear engine Top Fuel car the officials almost wouldnt let him run "that crazy looking POS"..........
Not every item on a car is pure function or eye candy .......It's when you can seamlessly blend the two into a functioning and beautiful piece of machinery that you cross over the cookie cutter-same-as the last guy car and have something that stands out of the crowd and thats usualy how the magazines decide who gets thier cars photo'd and who doesnt.......the everdody's following your lead.
I have NO respect for closed minded a$$'s who bash on others who dont follow the pack.........And the utmost respect for those who say screw what the others are doing and build thier OWN car........NOT a copy............(Jessie James wouldnt have his own show if he looked and acted like BOB VILLA and built rides that looked like they "CONFORM-to-the-NORM"......................................... ", Dyno & Performance

 

[lewroe59]

Why call Polk, they aren't making the claims... you are.

You're not going to waste your time trying to prove something you can't.

Hal

Honestly HAL, why do you think I care what you think? Your a internet cracker, talkin mad shit. Your the type of internet junkie that makes forums suck. So call if you care so much, they are the ones with the dyno and dyno sheets, not to mention the ones who made it. I doubt they will care to prove shit to you either. Good Luck!

 

[Hal]

Honestly HAL, why do you think I care what you think? Your a internet cracker, talkin mad shit. Your the type of internet junkie that makes forums suck.

Yep, you're right.

But it's funny, that you're the one who resorts to personal attacks & name calling.

Hal

- don't forget to include a Tornado in your intake pipe, after all it's "dyno proven" too

 

[BodyRage85]

Is the above quote for real?! Please somebody tell me "bodyrage85"( ) doesn't embody the rest of America's youth. WTF?!

hey turbowop what are you trying to say..make some sense then get back to me.

 

[LandoAWD]

Honestly HAL, why do you think I care what you think? Your a internet cracker, talkin mad shit. Your the type of internet junkie that makes forums suck. So call if you care so much, they are the ones with the dyno and dyno sheets, not to mention the ones who made it. I doubt they will care to prove shit to you either. Good Luck!

He is the man who gave us a wonderful product MANY fast folks use. I wouldn't consider him an "internet cracker" ESPECIALLY since name calling can/will get you booted.

Hal, you have been civil though occasionally taunting. Keep it clean and above the belt.

All- Either keep this civil and on topic, or don't post.

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

I've got $500 that says that muffler will COST me power on my setup, as posted on the first page.

 

[logic]

Your a internet cracker, talkin mad shit.

I think you misspelled "salty internet nerd".



On topic: dear god, that 180 bend makes me want to cry. Mirage2LTurbo's setup makes a hell of a lot more sense; reversing the turbo seems like a much smarter approach, although you've still got that alternator to contend with for the inlet (which a simple relocation would rectify nicely). Even then, I'd still be concerned about radiant heat near the radiator hoses, but at least it's not wedged right up against the radiator. Thermal coating or exhaust wrap might help alleviate that a bit.

But the Aero moon-HP exhaust...that's fantastic. Right up there with electric superchargers, "spiral" throttle body spacers, and other such stuff. What part of "you're introducing a ridiculous restriction in the exhaust path" is unclear, compared to what Mirage2LTurbo did?

 

[bigemrich]

MUCH less car thats NOT a CLONE of every other DSM on the net......
And the utmost respect for those who say screw what the others are doing and build thier OWN car........NOT a copy

I don't think the point of many posters here is to say that your idea is stupid or to shun innovation. You have several experianced people telling you this idea may not be the best. Why not get proof then? Other than a dyno sheet that doesn't conform to the equation of horsepower itself, you have done nothing but to bicker that "we did something really cool".
As far a the "clone" thing goes, a full turboback exhaust has been tried, tested and PROVEN on a DSM. This muffler/passenger side exit has not. So, if you truly feel it is better, prove it. I am yet to decide on my own personal exhaust and would be very interested in ANY suggestion. But, I unfortuanately don't follow blindly.

--Kyle

 

[DSMu4ia]

Honestly HAL, why do you think I care what you think? Your a internet cracker, talkin mad shit. Your the type of internet junkie that makes forums suck. So call if you care so much, they are the ones with the dyno and dyno sheets, not to mention the ones who made it. I doubt they will care to prove shit to you either. Good Luck!

Actually, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MAKES FORUMS SUCK.

Due to your lack of punctuation, proper ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL education, and disregard for self respect due to self mutilating the English language.

Your is a word used to show possession. "Your car"

You are (you're for short) is what you want to use.

Polk has done nothing wrong in this case, even if the car dyno's way less horsepower. The kid came in with a hope and a dream of being cool, and he's helping to make Polk's pocketbooks bigger. No one in their right mind would turn down a simple fab job like this, especially to an ill minded ricer who has no comprehension of performance.

 

[LandoAWD]

Actually, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MAKES FORUMS SUCK.

Due to your lack of punctuation, proper ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL education, and disregard for self respect due to self mutilating the English language.

Your is a word used to show possession. "Your car"

You are (you're for short) is what you want to use.

Polk has done nothing wrong in this case, even if the car dyno's way less horsepower. The kid came in with a hope and a dream of being cool, and he's helping to make Polk's pocketbooks bigger. No one in their right mind would turn down a simple fab job like this, especially to an ill minded ricer who has no comprehension of performance.

Please stop fanning the flames. This goes for all of you.

 

[92redman]

How close are you to getting this thing done, I want to see some results!

Oh, and I wanna see a video too!

 

[blitz43]

just get results to prove how good ure system is
and drop the argument over it. Claiming is one thing, backing it up by accurate data is another

 

[ljasonl]

We have a 1g with a B/R 3.5" turbo back exhaust.

I've got $100 that says this muffler won't gain a single h/p on that setup.

Hal

Hell, I never claimed it works better than any other muffler out there, just that it's functionally just as good, while sounding better. You guys are great at missing the point, aren't you?

This thing really should be flowed against a BORLA 4" or 5" i.d. race muffler, just to keep things on level terms.

So you're trying to say this muffler is on par with a 5' race muffler, and it's NOT badass? I get the flow of a huge muffler, without the packaging constraints and still quiet? Sign me up!

 

[ljasonl]

Any GSR with a turbokit hooked upto the stock exhaust will see a gain of 26hp and 22ft/lbs going to a 3" exhaust system from a stock 2" unit.

It was an LS with an Auto tranny BTW. Power gains would have been... larger... with a 5 speed.

 

[Hal]

Hell, I never claimed it works better than any other muffler out there, just that it's functionally just as good, while sounding better. You guys are great at missing the point, aren't you?

No, you're twisting the words around.

This muffler supposedly makes more power than an open exhaust due to "scavenging effects".

If this is is true, I can stick it on ANY exhaust and see a gain in horsepower.

Hal

 

[ljasonl]

No, the website claimed that, I didn't. I'm no muffler designer, so I'm not about to make a claim like that. I just know it works good and sounds good, that's all I'm claiming.