Sweetest exhuast I've ever seen!

[Hal]

...The car is not a race car....

Which is why this exhaust design makes even LESS sense. :laugh:

On a full out race car, it would at least appear to appropriate.

But on a "street" car with a "550" h/p turbo?

Give us a break.

You can make 550 with a full turbo back exhaust.

Hal

 

[RipperXX]

omfg, all this over a damn muffler and a guy doing his exhaust a little diferent than everyone elses?

Hell I myself even thought at a time haveing the exhaust come down like a normal DP and then split one side for exhaust other for waste gate, and have a pipe exiting the bumper on both sides would be "cool" Not saying better but might look cool running rich at night :laugh:


I'll also say this, while it may not be "the best" it's most likely going to outflow your avg 3" manderal system. And if he's happy with it, and it doesn't #### up the car (yet to be seen) who are you to do little more than inform him it's not the "best"?






P.S. I bet it sounds like a tractor

 

[pboglio]

I couldn't agree more with that quote. I mean sure lewis's setup isn't the best ever, but for the amount of money he paid for it (damn good deal), is it so hard to say "good job" ? He could be a total ricer and put that big turbo on without supporting mods, but he's not.

Well, he should have spent more money on a more well thought out design. Proving my point that DSMers are the cheapest sons of b*tches in the world. How can you be innovators if your going to cheap out on everything, innovators spend money like its no tomorrow. I can not tell you how much money I spend just to get some stupid little thing to function and look good.

Heres a compliment. The welding on that exhaust system looks pretty good and I like the use of stainless steel. The short routing and high capacity muffler I bet has no more than 1 psi backpressure at full throttle, again pretty good. If I say "Good Job", will you guys stop bitchen about our bitchen about that exhaust. A word of constructive criticism, modify your car to please yourself, not to get respect from people on the internet. You'll actually get more respect that way. Good luck.

 

[lewroe59]

Well, he should have spent more money on a more well thought out design. Proving my point that DSMers are the cheapest sons of b*tches in the world. How can you be innovators if your going to cheap out on everything, innovators spend money like its no tomorrow. I can not tell you how much money I spend just to get some stupid little thing to function and look good.

Heres a compliment. The welding on that exhaust system looks pretty good and I like the use of stainless steel. The short routing and high capacity muffler I bet has no more than 1 psi backpressure at full throttle, again pretty good. If I say "Good Job", will you guys stop bitchen about our bitchen about that exhaust. A word of constructive criticism, modify your car to please yourself, not to get respect from people on the internet. You'll actually get more respect that way. Good luck.

I dont agree at all with your" it takes $ to be innovative", thats just retarded. And the constructive criticism is aimed at the wrong person, I've done everything on this car to please myself, especially the exhuast. Nothing on my car is aimed at getting respect on this site. Have you not noticed how the real tuners have stopped in there tracks about the manifold, and the pipe bends, and the muffler. Yeah, the heat is a problem, but it is one I can have under control using modern coatings and wraps. What is there left to bi*** about?

 

[anconover]

well this is all thats left that i can think of....

Your muffler is ###. The exhaust idea is queer. And that manifold not only looks like total shit, but is total shit.

I think thats about it tho?

 

[Jehu]

The log manifold isn't the best idea, but if it'll work for hondas, it'll work for you. I could bolt up a box with a flange for the exhaust ports and a flange for the turbo to the engine and guess what, THAT will still work. Would that make me an innovator? Oh pretty please?

You know that the pressure drop across a tight ratio 180 bend on a 3" pipe is equivalent to ~9ft of straight 3" pipe right?

The supposed turbine/jet/supapowa flow acceleration effect of the muffler is just a load of marketing BS. Anything put within a pipe will only cause additional pressure drop across the pipe.

Sure, you could wrap the exhaust pipe, but that's just band-aiding a problem that you've created for no good reason.

Does that address all the issues? Yes, I think so.

And if you haven't figured it out by now, no that's definately not the sweetest exhaust I've ever seen...

 

[jott5555]

i will say this efficent HEll no... but it does look something feirce.. and ya it may jack your stuff up or whatever but hey you thought of it you did it and @ the strip people will say WTF??

 

[ljasonl]

This was posted by another DSM Guru on our local forum. I won't say his name, but he knows his stuff

"We had a full race style on cody's built delso, tuned the crap out of it several times on the dyno. We put a nice 1.5" log on his car and picked up spool time over 1000 rpm's. Yes that is right by over 1000 rpms. The car still made the same peak power as well. Given his car was nothing like Josh's car (made 500whp) but none the less.

A log manifold done right puts the exhaust heat right on top of the turbine, helps spool up and works great. All the equal lenght crap does work on a NA motor, but put a turbo on any exhaust and what happens. The exhaust is under pressure. No need for all the equal length runners.

And as for the exhaust system on a turbo car. The bigger, and shorter the better. A turbo car (as we all know) does not like exhaust."

 

[Morphius]

You know that the pressure drop across a tight ratio 180 bend on a 3" pipe is equivalent to ~9ft of straight 3" pipe right?

That may be true (I could care less about analyzing it right now) but how is the typical downpipe any different? Other than the bends are condensed in the first 2ft of pipe vs 4+ft.

Besides it was shot down long ago as a negative.

 

[swordfish]

This is going to hold the record for DSM Tuner threads.

jeff

 

[Stapl3]

This is going to hold the record for DSM Tuner threads.

jeff

Lol, just think how many forums are linked to this.

 

[Stapl3]

Proving my point that DSMers are the cheapest sons of b*tches in the world. How can you be innovators if your going to cheap out on everything, innovators spend money like its no tomorrow. I can not tell you how much money I spend just to get some stupid little thing to function and look good.

Be serious. You get very creative when you have little money to play with. Having your mom give you 10 grand and going to Magnus to drop it all is not innovative.

 

[Hal]

Lol, just think how many forums are linked to this.

Like this one - http://www.arimport.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6037
:laugh:

 

[ljasonl]

Like this one - http://www.arimport.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6037
:laugh:

Uh oh...

Caught!

 

[pboglio]

Be serious. You get very creative when you have little money to play with. Having your mom give you 10 grand and going to Magnus to drop it all is not innovative.

Haha, mommy mommy I need an advance on my allowance for the next 20 years so I can build my badass custom shizzle Intake manifold. :laugh:

I'm done arguing with those guys, every time they open their mouths its a complete contradiction. First the 2" runners outflow everything, then they need to switch to 1.5" runners to make the thing spool. Now they mention EQUAL length runners on a turbo header. I never mentioned equal length, I mentioned a CAST turbonetics individual runner manifold. That manifold already keeps the heat in, has good runner diameter, and a fantastic collector. Sheesh, reinvent the wheel for the billionth time already

 

[defrag010]

Like this one - http://www.arimport.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6037
:laugh:

great... now we are going to have tons of dsmtrolls come troll up our forum....

 

[ljasonl]

Haha, mommy mommy I need an advance on my allowance for the next 20 years so I can build my badass custom shizzle Intake manifold. :laugh:

I'm done arguing with those guys, every time they open their mouths its a complete contradiction. First the 2" runners outflow everything, then they need to switch to 1.5" runners to make the thing spool. Now they mention EQUAL length runners on a turbo header. I never mentioned equal length, I mentioned a CAST turbonetics individual runner manifold. That manifold already keeps the heat in, has good runner diameter, and a fantastic collector. Sheesh, reinvent the wheel for the billionth time already

Good job at twisting words to avoid the argument

 

[defrag010]

Now they mention EQUAL length runners on a turbo header. I never mentioned equal length, I mentioned a CAST turbonetics individual runner manifold.

We didn't mention equal length either. Hal did.

 

[Stapl3]

I see you guys talking about giving us a dyno sheet on your car club forum.

Just don't post a dyno sheet without having one with your car having the exact same mods, but a normal 3" exhaust. We want underhood temp differences also.

If you post just one dyno sheet with a 20 hp gain from this exhaust, you will never hear the end of it.

 

[defrag010]

who cares?????

 

[scotthidley]

A log manifold done right puts the exhaust heat right on top of the turbine, helps spool up and works great. All the equal lenght crap does work on a NA motor, but put a turbo on any exhaust and what happens. The exhaust is under pressure. No need for all the equal length runners.

And as for the exhaust system on a turbo car. The bigger, and shorter the better. A turbo car (as we all know) does not like exhaust."

Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going on. On the last several pages, none of the posts have had any solid foundation.

Well, at least the last part of your post is correct. If you want faster spool, you want the exhaust runner at a specific length. The length is to allow the peak of the exhaust wave to hit the turbine wheel. If you catch the strongest part of the peak, it will spool faster, and be more efficient. A log style is not going to work better. Look at it, you have 3 cylinders pushing against 1. You are creating a ton of turbulence before even going to the turbo (which means a slower flowing exhaust upstream of the turbo). Think about this, if that were true, Mitsu wouldn't have wasted the development time, money, or spent the extra amount on material to put the divider in every stock exhaust manifold they've made for the turbo 4g63's.

This thread should be locked due to shear misinformation if nothing else (the above post is no where near the first either).

 

[lewroe59]

I see you guys talking about giving us a dyno sheet on your car club forum.

Just don't post a dyno sheet without having one with your car having the exact same mods, but a normal 3" exhaust. We want underhood temp differences also.

If you post just one dyno sheet with a 20 hp gain from this exhaust, you will never hear the end of it.

so stupid....come do it all and buy me another exhuast system to your "specs" or shut up. If it works great, I wouldnt tell anyone in here anyway, not after all this trash talk. But...my bet still stands for most power off this turbo.

and you guys asked for dyno sheets with the log...you got them. wtf more do you need. figure it out on your own!

 

[Mike000]

I didn't read all 9 pages, I dont really care that much. If its been brought up allready, good.

Your going to burn the shit out of the radiator hose and its going to slit on you. I'v heard of a few people losing engines this way. good luck....

 

[ljasonl]

stuff

So, what are your credentials exactly? What race cars have you built, and had work (really well I might add) for yourself and for others? Cuz unless you've got some pretty damn good answers to that, I'm inclined to believe the guy who actually does this stuff for a living...

 

[LandoAWD]

so stupid....come do it all and buy me another exhuast system to your "specs" or shut up. If it works great, I wouldnt tell anyone in here anyway, not after all this trash talk. But...my bet still stands for most power off this turbo.

and you guys asked for dyno sheets with the log...you got them. wtf more do you need. figure it out on your own!

So, we aren't going to get any numbers off the aerotubinatingmastapowamuffler and if you DID get them you wouldn't post them because we are "sipping the hateraid"? You proved gains with a log mani, why not test the magicmysterysuperturbine out?

into a 3" aeroturbine muffler which is the only muffler I know increases power compared to open exaust

<-THIS was the source of most of the flak.

The thread has certainly run its course in this case.