stock turbo

[Hectorb25]

I have a stock turbo on my gst and I was wondering if its worth putting those big ass intercoolers in the car ? Or just keep it the way it is

 

[newTSIguy]

Is your car running stock boost? do you plan on upgrading in the future? If you were trying to squeeze every last bit of power out of the stock turbo? Then i would say yes?
Otherwise probably not.
read this...Tech Guide: 2G 4G63t Upgrades - DSMtuners

 

[TSITurbo95]

Stick with the SMIC. Going to a big fmic on such a small turbo will create lag, and to be honest, it's not worth it.

 

[gsxxer]

I'd say it all depends on your plans for the future. I put a nice front mount on my 14b knowing I would be upgrading and didn't notice any lag whatsoever extra. I'd advise against upgrading all your side mount pipes if you are just gonna go with a front mount eventually...

 

[gusu]

I'd say it all depends on your plans for the future. I put a nice front mount on my 14b knowing I would be upgrading and didn't notice any lag whatsoever extra. I'd advise against upgrading all your side mount pipes if you are just gonna go with a front mount eventually...

The 14b flows a bit more than the T-25 and a FMIC is a bit more logical on it than a T-25.

Even if you didn't notice a change in lag at all it is still there. Your old rubber hoses probably expanded so much that they were causing more lag than hard piping would. As the rubber gets older it becomes more prone to expanding under boost and basically balloons.

You also wont notice much of a difference between a SMIC and a FMIC until you get at least a 16g or larger turbo unless you do a few things.

A. Do multiple pulls with out allowing it to cool down.
B. Do some sort of autox or road racing where you would be in boost for extended periods of time.
C. You didn't bother with hard SMIC piping.

If you are going to go with a T-25 or a 14b you should look into getting some sort of hard intercooler piping. But like I said if you are going to road race or autox get the FMIC to avoid heat soak. Same thing if you have the opportunity to do continuous 1/8 or 1/4 passes back to back.

The piping can be found on ebay for a 2g for cheap or on here for pretty cheap also. You will notice better spool as well as your BOV being closer to the throttle body so it will actually be louder if you enjoy that kind of thing.

If you are truly worried about heat soaking while at the strip you can always soak your intercooler with something to cool it. I've never really looked into it, but I hear people say they use a spray bottle with alcohol, but I know there is something they are using that does indeed work.

FYI the side mount is known to be good til about 400hp.

 

[Hectorb25]

I'm plannning on getting this intercooler bc of the looks and maybe better performance ?
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=290584016538&index=8&nav=SEARCH&nid=91945972267

 

[jed344]

i have a 14b at 20psi with a greddy long piping kit fmic. Hardly any lag increase, power wise didnt feel anything but i will say on link logs that after back to back pulls my intake temps stay much lower then with the smic.

 

[Bud92gsx]

FYI the side mount is known to be good til about 400hp.

Really, cause the supra sidemount is only rated for about 350hp..I'm not doubting you could get 400 out of either, but It seems after soo long a small IC would heat soak real bad..

 

[bryanwheat]

Really, cause the supra sidemount is only rated for about 350hp..I'm not doubting you could get 400 out of either, but It seems after soo long a small IC would heat soak real bad..

After one pull it would be very badly heat soaked at those numbers. The stock side mount is probably good for 275-300 at the very most.

 

[pbwu1f]

Really, cause the supra sidemount is only rated for about 350hp..I'm not doubting you could get 400 out of either, but It seems after soo long a small IC would heat soak real bad..

I can vouch for this. I had E16G with stock side mount and with 18psi it was heat soaking pretty bad. I do live in south FL though.

 

[Black-Out]

After one pull it would be very badly heat soaked at those numbers. The stock side mount is probably good for 275-300 at the very most.

+1 on that.....You would have to double up on spray bars and run C-0/2 with a evo spray tank and iced alcohol all running simultaneously to keep the charge air cool enough to support another 100 hp .....I just have a hard time believing it would be a repeatable 400 horsepower on the stock smic even with those mods.....

William-

 

[jed344]

so if you plan on staying stock turbo then id leave stock side mount. If you plan on going 16g or anything larger front mount. Besides front mounts look very mean on 2g dsms.

 

[my dreamt dsm]

I'm not sure where every get's there facts from. Until I see logs or whp numbers. Car's vary. We put a punishment intercooler on my buddies sypder and we feel the car pull on high end... on our butt dyno

Anyways on a serious note- we'll see in the next month when I purchase the intercooler kit for my tsmall. I push 17psi on it a few times and it helps and feels different. I also logged some crazy knock with it. I'm sure the intercooler will help pretty much and maybe lower some knock counts. I'll back it up with logs, dynolicious, and if the tracks are still open, 1/4 mile times.
Plus its for looks, which is a plus. I got the 16g on hold, just having some fun with the tsmall