Stock internals on 4g63 how far can you go?

[VicBoost]

Anyways i have been reading the tech guide a lot lately as i wanna reach my goal of over 400awhp. But this car is my daily/track car. Just wondering how much hp can these stock internals actually handle. The tech guide said you can get a reliable 400hp on the stock internals. Obviously i will be puttin the boost down when i'm daily driven. Also whats a recommended place to get good internals for the 4g63. Thanks! i want high hp but reliable at the same time.

Vic.

 

[mra4886]

Yes the stock internals can handle 400whp. But if you want to then do a full rebuild of everything from the rods to pistons, and ugrade the head with cams and get springs and retainers, also port and polish it. But i would get to 400whp first on stock internals and all supporting mods and then rebuild the motor, when it might need to be.

 

[mra4886]

Maybe it is but im just use to always typing 400whp. Sorry if it confused anybody.

 

[VicBoost]

Yes the stock internals can handle 400whp. But if you want to then do a full rebuild of everything from the rods to pistons, and ugrade the head with cams and get springs and retainers, also port and polish it. But i would get to 400whp first on stock internals and all supporting mods and then rebuild the motor, when it might need to be.

Yea thats what i'm planning to do once i get 400 hp then i will be upgrading my internals. Where is a good place to buy internal parts or who makes them?

 

[mra4886]

Yea thats what i'm planning to do once i get 400 hp then i will be upgrading my internals. Where is a good place to buy internal parts or who makes them?

There is all kinds of vendors on here like, slowboyracing.com , extremepsi.com , dejontool.com , just look through all the vendor sites untill you find the ones you want.

 

[mra4886]

http://slowboyracing.com/
http://extremepsi.com/
http://dejontool.com/

 

[mra4886]

Search through these parts here and they will take you to some vendor sites to buy them.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/default.php?cPath=2_133
or here since you have a 2g my bad for the first link is to engine parts for a 1g
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/default.php?cPath=3_134

 

[VicBoost]

What internals do guys suggest to get which is the most important. Also wondering how much i'm i looking to spend for a fully rebuilt engine. By the way my goal is 500hp not awhp.

 

[mra4886]

Here get this
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=3_134_158&products_id=904
And then this
http://www.dsmtuners.com/parts/product_info.php?cPath=3_134_157&products_id=901
and now you should be set to reach 500hp. with all the supportin bolt ons.

 

[Slippi84]

Or you could do a 6 bolt swap for cheaper and put down 500 WHP

 

[mra4886]

What internals do guys suggest to get which is the most important. Also wondering how much i'm i looking to spend for a fully rebuilt engine. By the way my goal is 500hp not awhp.

There is all kind of combinations out there like scat rods and weisco pistons, or wiesco pistons and eagle rods, those are what i suggest, but its up to you to research and search what brand combination you want.

 

[mra4886]

Or you could do a 6 bolt swap for cheaper and put down 500 WHP

Agreed if you are going to do a rebuild, rebuild a 6 bolt.

 

[mra4886]

Also put 272 cams in and ferra or si vavles springs and retainers to rebuild your head.

 

[VicBoost]

Agreed if you are going to do a rebuild, rebuild a 6 bolt.

Hmmmm good idea. Take the 7 bolt out ad put the 6 bolt in. Plus i heard the 6bolts ones are much more reliable and stronger then the 7 bolts. How much fora 6 bolt and what should i get when i get the 6 bolt?

So specfically instead of getting a stroker kit. What exactly do i need such as connecting rods, pistons, cam shfats etc. By the looks of things looks like i'm looking to spending about 5g's for high hp and reliable. Gotta admit having fun gonna cost you....

 

[JayRolla]

My mechanic says he can build a stronger 7-bolt stroker than a 6 bolt. He says 6 bolts make better 2.0's. Anybody hear of this

 

[mra4886]

Hmmmm good idea. Take the 7 bolt out ad put the 6 bolt in. Plus i heard the 6bolts ones are much more reliable and stronger then the 7 bolts. How much fora 6 bolt and what should i get when i get the 6 bolt?

So specfically instead of getting a stroker kit. What exactly do i need such as connecting rods, pistons, cam shfats etc. By the looks of things looks like i'm looking to spending about 5g's for high hp and reliable. Gotta admit having fun gonna cost you....

Just get a 6bolt then do weisco pistons and eagle rods, and do the head with 272 cams and si valvesprings and retainers with a 5 angle port and polish. then a gt35 turbo and new exhaust manifold 44mm wg, 3in turbo back. all the supporting fuel mods, and dsmlink or a maft gen 2.

 

[mra4886]

And if you are getting a crankshaft you might as well go with a 2.3l strocker kit.

 

[mra4886]

My mechanic says he can build a stronger 7-bolt stroker than a 6 bolt. He says 6 bolts make better 2.0's. Anybody hear of this

If he can then let him.

 

[Slippi84]

My mechanic says he can build a stronger 7-bolt stroker than a 6 bolt. He says 6 bolts make better 2.0's. Anybody hear of this

You need a new mechanic

When you start getting into forged internals and such the diffrence between the 6 bolt and the 7 isn't that notuicable but the 6 is usually the choice of most. Saying 6 bolt smake better s.0ls is just dumb how good your stroker is is determined by what internals you choose to use same with 2.0l. Of course you can make a stronger 7 bolt then 6 bolt use stronger stuff .

When I said if you want 500whp go 6 bolt I wasn't talkin bult I just meant rebuilt stock 6 bolt. I have a rebuilt 6 bolt long block with a couple other goodies and I will be pusing around 500whp and I know it's not only doable but likely it will be reliable because I have seen it first hand in cars that have been owned by friends not people I read about online. Reliablity is in the tune

 

[VicBoost]

Just get a 6bolt then do weisco pistons and eagle rods, and do the head with 272 cams and si valvesprings and retainers with a 5 angle port and polish. then a gt35 turbo and new exhaust manifold 44mm wg, 3in turbo back. all the supporting fuel mods, and dsmlink or a maft gen 2.

Hmmm that sounds like a pretty good set up. Is there anything else that people can suggest for me.

 

[mra4886]

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Reliablity is in the tune

Agreed.

 

[joker96]

what bout boost? how many psi are enough on stock internals?

 

[96mitsugsx]

There is one guy here in DSMtuners who made 550 whp on stock internals. Do a search on his mods. If you're looking for a good block, go get the Buschur block. That's what John Shepherd uses.

 

[joker96]

i ask couse i have this friend that says he has 30psi on his stock internals

 

[dSmgs-T]

for around 30lbs its not the internals you would typically need to worry about. it is more likely the head that will give you problems