starter not getting power?

[Kyogie12]

So I went out to start my 91 GSX today and the starter wouldn't work...i can hear the relay clicking, i hear the fuel pump working but the starter won't even try to crank. I double checked all my wires and I know the battery is charged enough (i hooked up a charger...). What would cause my starter to work yesterday but not today? I also noticed that my turbo has seized up completely. Won't even spin. I knew the turbo was blown (tons of play) but didn't think that would happen...

So thoughts on the starter?

and

Is it bad to run the car with the turbo like that?

 

[dented_coffee]

YES it's bad to run a car with a seized turbo.

Get a volt meter and take the starter signal wire that goes to the starter solenoid. It's the small 14ga wire that slips on the connector on the starter.

Put the POS meter probe in it and connect the NEG probe to a ground somewhere. Have someone turn the key like your starting it and have them hold it all the way over as far as it will go. You should be getting 12v then. I use a volt meter so I can get actual voltage readings because an electrical light probe will light up even at really low volts. If your not then try checking the relays or the fuse.

There are 3 power type of settings in an ignition of a car
1: (acc) radio, small electrical stuff
2: (RUN) main power to every thing electrical
3: (CLICK PAST RUN) temporary 12 switch to activate the solenoid on the starter to let the POS power connect to the starter motor.

If your ever looking to put a push button starter in your DSM or any car with this setup like ours then all you have to do is run a wire from the starter to a POS connection with a fuse protection on it and place a button or switch between the starter and the fuse.

One part in our starters that go bad other than the 4 brushes inside of the starter motor is the plastic lever that links the solenoid to the starter motor and the plastic cup gear inside that houses the 3 steel gears inside of the starter motor. If all else fails then take some jumper cables and attach one of them to the peg for the solenoid wire and the other to a POS connection and leave the key out of the ignition and touch the 2 unplugged ends of the cables together for a quick second to make sure the starter turns over the engine.

If it does then its a problem with the wire leading to the solenoid on the starter.

Sorry if any of this is confusing. Most shops wont even hunt down electrical problems, AND THIS IS ONE REASON WHY THEY DON'T LIKE TO . If you would like me to draw a diagram or make a video with a starter out of my 94 talon car then I will for easy viewing and understanding. I just traveled to Jesse's house (sakrafice) and did all of this and solved all of his starter problems and eliminated a dead short that was somewhere in his car down to the harness that goes to the roof harness. My buyer/seller ratings have some comments of my work on his car for everyone to view if you would like to. I know my electrical and electrical problems are a no brainer to me no matter the electrical problem.

 

[Kyogie12]

Thanks man! That made perfect sense to me. I haven't gotten a chance to test with a volt meter yet, that's on my agenda today.

My other question is I just did a head gasket and timing job on it and I'm wondering if i screwed up the timing at all if that would have killed the starter in some way? Just trying to trouble shoot.

 

[CJTurbo]

Based on your comments dented, what would be the next logical thing to check after the relay and fuse? I have no power to that signal wire. Disconnected the clutch switch, replaced the relay with a working one, Ign fuse on the POS battery terminal is good. Could it be the ignition switch? This is mindblowing
Thanks

 

[dented_coffee]

I'm lost without internet at the moment. I'm at taco bell just to reply back to this thread .

Try looking for the wire wire connector that has 2 wires that join into 1 wire that goes to the starter solenoid wire terminal. (It's located directly under the battery tray).

They could be broken or corroded getting no signal to pass threw to the starter.

Try looking into that will be replying a bit more as soon as I get a new internet box because ours is fryed for the 4th time . We should be getting a new box by tomorrow.

Sorry for the inconvenience!

 

[spic21]

i had same type problem when i started on my 1990 tsi again. i did same thing kept replace part after part, even replace every fuse in car. i ended up having to use a jumper wire across the theft relay. and it turned right over. im gonna look for the thread because it had alot of great info and trouble shooting in it. only thing is now i can start it without clutch in.


here it is hope it will help

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/374717-wont-start-w-o-jumper-wire-relay.html

 

[Dextrocardia]

Thanks for the info, I have problems with the starter relay so I am trying to install a push button start.
I am not a noob. I know about the clutch and have long ago disabled that switch.
My problem is that I need the amp rating on the switch being used, I cannot find any diagram that would indicate if a 10Amp switch and fuse is too small.