SHUT up a camaro Kid wat do i need??????

[BMWHATR]

ummm THAT HE CAN BEAT HIM! Thats what i am trying to prove even tho he is totally out of class. and you don't race more then 1/4 mile anyway unless ur dumb

 

[boostedinaz]

ok well my friend with a bone stick 98 camaro lt1 ran a 13.4 on street tires so figure it out from their.

So what is it a 98 or an LT1. 98 was the first year for an LS1. Given the time he ran I will say it is a LS1 and the year is correct.

This is why I hate these post they turn into an argument of ignorant people.

Everyone is throwing around numbers and years of vehciles and alot of it is wrong. They also assume so many things that, again, are wrong or just assumptions.

Sure HP per litre is a fun ratio, but it is only fun for ricers that have under powered cars and have to try and win some way. When they give out Wally's for HP/Ltr then you can be a champion until then STFU.

There is no replacment for displacment. That is TRUE. You can say what ever you want but that is true. You can say that a turbo 4 has the soem por more power than a N/A LS1 , but boost that and guess what, it will make a TON more power.

Mod your car for YOU and race him. There is nothing more to say. if you follow the upgrade path and drive your car well then there should be a problem. Like most of these races, you, either dont have enough money to buy all these mods, dont have the skill to put them on, dont havwe the time/knowledge to tune the car if they do get on, and by that time the guy either doesnt want to race or has sold it. THE RACE WILL NEVER HAPPEN. I will put 5 dollars on that.

 

[1fast97gsx]

and you don't race more then 1/4 mile anyway unless ur dumb

:laugh: ... who said anything more than a 1/4 mile???? I said off a roll the ls1 would win against a decently modded dsm.

 

[Mirage2LTurbo]

This is one of the most pathetic threads of ignorant people I've ever read.

Let's boogie. I got $500 that says no one replying previous to me in this thread can hang.

 

[boostedinaz]

This is one of the most pathetic threads of ignorant people I've ever read.

Let's boogie. I got $500 that says no one replying previous to me in this thread can hang.

Is this all inclusive to the previous people and what exactly do you mean by "boogie"?

 

[coltboostin]

umm no...older american muscle cars > any import

Ask your boys at www.neofb.com about that statement, I had to show them the error of their ways the hard way.

Throw that motor in a colt, he wont stand a chance.

 

[BOBS90TURBO]

I think boogie means race

I want to add somthing here, I am not trying to start a fight with a wiseman but I will say this about you saying: ( There is no replacment for displacment. That is TRUE. You can say what ever you want but that is true. You can say that a turbo 4 has the soem por more power than a N/A LS1 , but boost that and guess what, it will make a TON more power).

First off this months road and track mag has about 10 supercars, Lambos, big benz's, twin turbo vetts and vipers, and guess what a little evo with the stock long block, and the evo beat the shit out of all except an 800hp caddy.

Also I have a 94 lt1 auto and 2 dsm's and one thing about z-28s, they all run differant times at the track, mine is weak as hell(even with a a few mods) best time is a 14.8, and yes it runs great. My awd was running 14.6 bone stock, my point is you never can tell what is going to happen at a race untill it's over

 

[boostedinaz]

I think boogie means race

That what i am thinking but I just want to be sure.

First off this months road and track mag has about 10 supercars, Lambos, big benz's, twin turbo vetts and vipers, and guess what a little evo with the stock long block, and the evo beat the shit out of all except an 800hp caddy.

That doesnt prove anything.

 

[BOBS90TURBO]

It does proove that size(displacement) means nothing!!!!!!

A 2 liter evo beat 10 supercars, it ran a 11.4 beating 800HP twin turbo Viper V10's,
It prooves that 2.0 with the right turbo & awd is the best combo for 1/4mile speed.

The other best 1/4 times were also from awd's, a new twin turbo awd VW and a twin turbo awd Audi.

Again V-8's,V-10's aren't shit, even boosted.

 

[1fast97gsx]

properly setup a bigger motor will make more power. Awd is also only good to a certain point and on a street car ...

 

[BOBS90TURBO]

You sound like George Bush skirting the issue and side stepping the question.

We are talking about 1/4 mails races concerning a 2.0 talon and a ls1 Z28.

I say and so does Road & Track that a little stock long block 4g63 evo w/a 50 trim smokes all but one supercar in the 1/4, size does not mean shit!!!!!! Run to the store and look for yourself,

The 2.0 EVO in a 1/4 mile race against a bunch of built and boosted supercars wins the race. Why is that so hard to understand.

 

[kyledykstra]

You sound like George Bush skirting the issue and side stepping the question.

We are talking about 1/4 mails races concerning a 2.0 talon and a ls1 Z28.

I say and so does Road & Track that a little stock long block 4g63 evo w/a 50 trim smokes all but one supercar in the 1/4, size does not mean shit!!!!!! Run to the store and look for yourself,

The 2.0 EVO in a 1/4 mile race against a bunch of built and boosted supercars wins the race. Why is that so hard to understand.

and beating cars in the 1/4 mile is almost completely unrelated to how much power you're making.

What were the traps of the 9 cars the Evo beat?

(I don't read Road & Track, and since you have the mag, and I'm lazy as hell, I'm curious )

 

[boostedinaz]

You sound like George Bush skirting the issue and side stepping the question.

We are talking about 1/4 mails races concerning a 2.0 talon and a ls1 Z28.

I say and so does Road & Track that a little stock long block 4g63 evo w/a 50 trim smokes all but one supercar in the 1/4, size does not mean shit!!!!!! Run to the store and look for yourself,

The 2.0 EVO in a 1/4 mile race against a bunch of built and boosted supercars wins the race. Why is that so hard to understand.

That again proves nothing.

It displacement doesnt matter then why cant smaller motors make 1300 hp all motor. Or the forced induced motors make 8000 hp. You are comparing apples to oranges. A test in a magazine is bnot even close to the answer to this debate. Just like a ton of other internet jockies, you have no actuall knowledge to prove your point just soem article that proves nothing.

You are using a one guys car VS another guys car to try and prove a point. That is moronic. If you really want to make a good comparason, then lets just talk total HP. You have an unlimited budget and all the knowledge in the world, but you are restricted to 2.0 ltr displacement. I have the same, but I have up to 10 ltrs displacment. You can throw turbos, N2O, anything you want at it and so can I.

Who will make more power??? You may have to think on this becasue no magazine has done it yet, so you knowledge base isnt there.

Yes in everyday application it is possible for a smaller motor to make more power than a bigger motor, but that comes down to personal preferance. I may want a 10 sec DSM and my buddy may only want a 12 sec F body, does that prove that displacment doesnt affect power.??? NO.

In the pump gas drags there fastest car ran a high 8 at about 150 on PUMPGAS. Can you do that with you 2.0??? No. That was also in a magazine so you can check that out if you want.

Given more displacment, meaning more air in and out, a motor will make more power. This is because a motor is an air pump and nothing more. More cubes mean more air, mean more power, mean you are a retard.

Prove me wrong.

 

[boostedinaz]

and beating cars in the 1/4 mile is almost completely unrelated to how much power you're making.

What were the traps of the 9 cars the Evo beat?

(I don't read Road & Track, and since you have the mag, and I'm lazy as hell, I'm curious )

Exactly, weight, traction, drivign all have an outcome on 1/4 mile times and that has nothing to do with total HP numbers. If a 1800 lbs CRX runs a 13.5 and my 3500 lbs AWD car runs a 13.5 who has more power???

I am sorry if I keep going on about this, but I am sick and tired of people makign stupid invalid and just down right wrong comments. So many people on this board, and others, have no knowledge but continue to spew forth tons and tons of crap in an attempt to make a point.

 

[1fast97gsx]

You sound like George Bush skirting the issue and side stepping the question.

We are talking about 1/4 mails races concerning a 2.0 talon and a ls1 Z28.

I say and so does Road & Track that a little stock long block 4g63 evo w/a 50 trim smokes all but one supercar in the 1/4, size does not mean shit!!!!!! Run to the store and look for yourself,

The 2.0 EVO in a 1/4 mile race against a bunch of built and boosted supercars wins the race. Why is that so hard to understand.

Man you are about as closed minded as a honda owner. I'd be willing to bet NONE of those "supercars" had the proper suspension and tire setup. How much power were these supercars putting down? Were they boosted? Stock blocks? How are there 60 foots / trap speeds in relation to those of the evo? Where are you getting at with this arguement anyways? The question was what this guy needs to beat an SS. We told him what he needs to beat a STOCK one but a modded SS is out of his league given both parties have an endless supply of money. I'll be the first to admit you can make these cars fly given I have a built motor with a 56 trim turbo, however I'll also be the first to admit that my friends 2000 TA just has a few suspension mods, cam, headers, catback and a 150 shot and he's dipping into the high 11s as well. On a stock block with no aftermarket heads or stall yet. Both cars are great cars but in the end the larger motor will always win assuming the weight of both cars is fairly equal which it is between a dsm and an f-body.

 

[GPTourer]

There is no replacement for displacement. Period. But only when all other factors are equal.

Since we're talking about two different cars and different engines, you can't make that generalization. I could say that a 2.0L DSM will make less power then a 2.4L DSM with all the same mods and most of you would probably agree. Things like cams, compression, forced induction, and valvetrain make it too complicated to say one motor is better then another just because of its size.

That being said. The guy's SS will own you. I don't think you have the time or resources to slap enough parts on to your car to make it quick enough to beat him, or else you wouldn't have asked the question in the first place. Take time, get aquainted with your vehicle, learn to launch and build it up piece by piece learning how things work step by step. Then come back and challenge him later.

 

[1fast97gsx]

^ nicely put

 

[BOBS90TURBO]

Hey Guys, I do not give a damn about H/P, I am talking about 1/4 mile time,strait up speed.

Aside from the tread itself, the wiseman said there is no replacement for displacement, and I say who cares about displacement or H/P, because in the end of a 1/4 mile race a modded 2.0 liter EVO can kill most and damn near all of the cars out there in the 1/4, if you question what I am saying just go look at road & track.

In the issue they race a modded EVO against a shitload of highly moddified v-8 and v-10, that are all boost with either twin turbos or superchargers, and yes all the cars tested were built eccept the evo and all the cars were the best of the performance companys had to offer.

Again, all the cars were modded to the max, and the evo owns, if you don't beleive than look for yourself.

BTW wiseman, I am sure I do not know half as much as you, I am just telling the facts about what I read, I am not tring to piss you off or spread mis information, I just thought it was awsome that a stock long block evo did what it did, and that in a race with a ls1 Z28 he can win with a few mods, like I said I own a 94 Z28 and mine is so weak it's funny, and I am a memeber of Fbody.com and Fbody cars run VERY inconsistant 1/4 maile times, two stock z-28's often run very differant times, so like I said, you never know untill you do it.

 

[1fast97gsx]

yea .. but a 94 Z28 is VERY slow. It's an lt1 and the slowest year for the lt1 camaros at that. :laugh: Ls1s are at least second faster than your camaro .. and don't believe everything you read. What did the evo run in the article and what was the trap speed?

 

[BOBS90TURBO]

SORRY, The mag is Car&Driver NovIssue

I just bought the mag,The contest was against 16 supercars.And they do not post the 60.'s only the 0-60 3.4, 0-150mph 97seconds, 1/4mile 11.6@120 H/P 475bhp.

The EVO is the Vishnu Performance Systems car.
Also in the race was:
04,Lingenfelter 427 Caddy CTS-V
04,HPA Motorsports Stage2 twin turbo R32 VW
03,RENNtech CL55 Supercharged Benz
02,Active Autowerke M3 Supercharged BMW
03,Hoppen/MTM RS-6 Twin Turbo Audi

You can check it out at www.CARandDRIVER.com

Another thing, I did read the test wrong, the way they show it, the first 7 cars(sedans) are compared and then the coupes were compared. So there were 2 cars faster than the EVO.

The fastest coupe was the 04"twin turbo Hennessey Viper at 11.0sec 1/4mile
2. 04"Lingenfelter 427 twin turbo vet at 11.6 1/4mile (same as EVO)
3.04"RSI SR twin turbo Viper at 11.7 1/4mile
4.02" MTI Z06 at 12.2
5.04"Evotech V10 Lamborghini at 12.6 1/4mile
6.04"Rennteck SL600 twin turbo Mercedes at 11.8

 

[boostedinaz]

SORRY, The mag is Car&Driver NovIssue

The contest was against 16 supercars.

You can check it out at www.CARandDRIVER.com

Its understandable what you are saying and I also think it is cool that an EVO can hang with the like of supercars.

The part that got me is that yuo dont car eabout HP, but yu want to go fast and 1/4 times are what you are worried about, buthow are you going to go faster with out making more HP. Not to mention weight plays a huge role in times and well as traction. I have seen alot of Supras that make a shit load pf power but end up running a shitty time. Keep that in mind when judging 1/4 time.

I have seen a CRX beat a stock Viper, but that doesnt make it cooler or a better car. It just weighs 1800 LBS making 250 HP VS 3700 lbs making 450 hp.

 

[GPTourer]

I have to agree. LS1's are a whole lot quicker then LT1's. Especially SS's and WS6's. I think they are all underated. I've driven quite a few of them and many Corvette's and my butt dyno can't tell the difference.

I know all the HP in the world can't gaurantee you a race, but I don't see what the comparison is between a bunch of professional tuner cars in a mag shootout and these two guys and their near stock cars. His AWD may get him a quick hole shot, but it will be game over way before the eighth if the guy behind the wheel of the SS is not a complete squid. Those cars are beasts and they are setup to go straight.

 

[boostedinaz]

I have to agree. LS1's are a whole lot quicker then LT1's. Especially SS's and WS6's. I think they are all underated. I've driven quite a few of them and many Corvette's and my butt dyno can't tell the difference.

I know all the HP in the world can't gaurantee you a race, but I don't see what the comparison is between a bunch of professional tuner cars in a mag shootout and these two guys and their near stock cars. His AWD may get him a quick hole shot, but it will be game over way before the eighth if the guy behind the wheel of the SS is not a complete squid. Those cars are beasts and they are setup to go straight.

My buddy has an LT1 and an LS1 car.

The Lt1 car had long tubes, full exhaust w/cutout, 373 gears, clutch, and Et streets and a CC305 cam it went 12.5 @112.

His LS1 has a lid, longtubes and nothing more and he just went 13.2@110. Thats on the strock radial tires.

Both cars are 6 speed.

I have seen a bone stock LS1 car dyno 305 at the wheels through a manual.

 

[!^3]

Give ANY of those V8/V10 powered cars in the C&D article some drag slicks and the tables would have turned. Traction was a major issue there. Of course, there is an EVO that runs 9.7's though.

My guess is that EVO was getting hunted down hardcore toward the end of the 1/4 mile.

 

[n3gativerr0r]

The EVO was quick no denying that.. Ill take a car running a 11.8 at 160 :laugh: anyday though. Those other cars were traction away from 9s. If I were you I wouldnt base all my opinions on a tuner magazine. A. most of those magazines are bias to certain companies and or cars because of sponsorship and advertising dollars. B. Most of the time the driving is horrendous. C. They usually limit the "Street" Supercars to using true street tires. An 1100hp Viper, 800hp Supra etc. isnt going anywhere fast on Z rated radials. You can use E.T. Streets on the road I dont know why the stupid tuner mags dont allow them half the time.