SHUT up a camaro Kid wat do i need??????

[peregrine]

i ran a 13.2 @ 101 at 4600 ft. on the stock turbo. turbos make their own atmosphere.

 

[terminaltsi]

3" TURBO BACK exhaust, more than a T25 turbo, (T28), 20 psi, and a non leaking (non factory blow off valve).

 

[highintenzity4]

Beating a stock ls1 shouldnt be that difficult. I beat a couple of slightly modded ls1's in my WRX. Well here where Im from there are very quick street legal ls1's. We have a racing board here in the valley and the spotholders are quick. There are about 3 ls1's in the mid to high 10s and a lt1 in the low 11s.

 

[telly699]

You need... 4 more Cylinders to start with...

Dont start. Did you forget what forum you are on?

 

[EvolvingGST]

Its amazing how much the N/T guys trash talk saying american cars are the balls. Yes they are the balls. If you think its impossible for us to take most of them down you are on crack. You might drive a DSM but you know nothing about what a DSM is even capable of. I have lit up many cameros, what now?

Ohhhhh wait I didn't have 4 more cyl. OH... I must have cheated or they must have s*cked.

Noobs need to shut up if they don't know what they are talking about. And one more thing actions speak louder than words. Just like many of my friends have lit up cameros. Are we faster than some cameros yes, SOME. but are they faster than us? Yes, some. But there are no certainties.

 

[boostedinaz]

It all depends on the drivers. If he sucks at driving then with a few mods you will beat him, but that is only if you can drive very well. A bone stock LS1 car will run mid 13's all day long and you already said that he is auto and that works in his favor. Just mod you car to make your self happy and quit worrying about some kid. What if I think your car sucks are you going to do race me to show me "whats up"? Who cares. To many people are worried about others and not themsleves. You are giving this kid all kinds of power over you becasue you are going to buy all these mods just to beat him, how lame and highschool is that. :thumbdown

 

[1fast97gsx]

This post is quite funny. Bottom line is you need a lot of mods to beat an ss. For one your car comes with a tiny T25 that even with a 100 shot will not run as fast as a camaro ss. I have to say owning a dsm has changed my views a lot on the imports vs domestics thing. I used to hate american cars and swear on imports. I drove a friends trans am and was impressed with it but for some reason still swore by imports. Then I bought my gsx. With a 16g and all supporting mods it was doing high 12s all day at my local track. I was very happy with it but then you realize that a high 12 is nothing special. My friend put headers, catbacks, filter, MAF, and a different gear in his camaro with drag radials and totally mopped me without even warming up his tires. He went 12.6 the next day after we raced at the track on his first run on the same tires. Time and time again I've seen dsms running in the 11s and trans ams running in the 11s. Which do I like more? The trans ams no doubt. Think about it ... they have waaaay less mods, they are rarely broken and sitting on jackstands, and they have T tops. How can you not like that??!?! As far as you racing and SS. Don't even bother because it will cost you a lot of money just to hang with him. all he needs is a $500 nitrous kit and some nice tires and he'll run mid 12s all day long, which is close to what our cars are capable doing on a stock motor and pump gas. His modding world hasn't even started yet though. Bottom line is LS1 > import ( just imagine a boosted LS1 ) and your goal shouldn't be to " shut him up ". After all we are all car enthusiasts and whatever car someone chooses to start with is up to them. You could have started with a camaro or a TA as well and be right next to him stock ...

 

[!^3]

Its amazing how much the N/T guys trash talk saying american cars are the balls. Yes they are the balls. If you think its impossible for us to take most of them down you are on crack. You might drive a DSM but you know nothing about what a DSM is even capable of. I have lit up many cameros, what now?

Ohhhhh wait I didn't have 4 more cyl. OH... I must have cheated or they must have s*cked.

Noobs need to shut up if they don't know what they are talking about. And one more thing actions speak louder than words. Just like many of my friends have lit up cameros. Are we faster than some cameros yes, SOME. but are they faster than us? Yes, some. But there are no certainties.

Amen brotha.

These NT guys come out of the woodwork like they know a thing or two. Maybe they thought this guy was trying to get his NT to beat an F-body and did not realize he has a turbo DSM?

 

[Blue92]

I had a 91 talon that had a small 16G, 3" pipe, 20psi and race gas and dusted SS's all day long. It won't take much if your car is running well.

 

[UCSLugRacerX]

"Help me shut this kid up he loves to tell me how fast his stock auto SS is and i need to shut him up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I got a 98' GSX stock right now but wat do i need to shut him up please help me"
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"You need two Nitrous bottles. The BIG ones. Quick! Johnny Tran is here!"

 

[boostedinaz]

I had a 91 talon that had a small 16G, 3" pipe, 20psi and race gas and dusted SS's all day long. It won't take much if your car is running well.

I hate blanket statement likes this.

You dont even know what year the SS's were or what they had done, not to mention they could have been V6 with badges and a hood.

Just becasue you have one or two F bodies with those mods doesnt mean he will be able to.

 

[GORBS88]

Its amazing how much the N/T guys trash talk saying american cars are the balls. Yes they are the balls. If you think its impossible for us to take most of them down you are on crack. You might drive a DSM but you know nothing about what a DSM is even capable of. I have lit up many cameros, what now?

Ohhhhh wait I didn't have 4 more cyl. OH... I must have cheated or they must have s*cked.

Noobs need to shut up if they don't know what they are talking about. And one more thing actions speak louder than words. Just like many of my friends have lit up cameros. Are we faster than some cameros yes, SOME. but are they faster than us? Yes, some. But there are no certainties.

Thats the $h!t... Couldnt have said it better myself, Finaly someone with some sense,

 

[1sick91tsi]

ok well my friend with a bone stick 98 camaro lt1 ran a 13.4 on street tires so figure it out from their.

 

[1fast97gsx]

yep and the LS1s are the faster ones

 

[!^3]

yep and the LS1s are the faster ones

With a 16g, 550's, SAFC, FMIC, 3" exhaust, and 2g MAS I was whooping up on all sorts of N/A Cobra's, LS1 F-Body's (some lightly modded), etc. Learn to launch well as well as driving in general and you should have no problem.

An LS1 F-Body is definitely going to hunt you down towards the end of the track. They are crazy fast from 60-120mph. Of course, when I got my HKS 272's in, so was I

 

[igopoopy]

"Help me shut this kid up he loves to tell me how fast his stock auto SS is and i need to shut him up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I got a 98' GSX stock right now but wat do i need to shut him up please help me"
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"You need two Nitrous bottles. The BIG ones. Quick! Johnny Tran is here!"

harsh :laugh: :laugh:

 

[GORBS88]

yep and the LS1s are the faster ones

Blah blah blah...are you a fellow dsmer or a hater?????? hmmm??? How hard is it to beat a ls1.....ohh wow 13.4... i have raced 3 from around here and they never had a chance....they may have been stock i'm not sure.....BUT they arent all that....if you want to get into it lets start at hp per litre....hows that?? 300 hp from a 2.0....150 hp per litre...ummm 350, 5.7 litre how much 300-350hp..wow 61.4hp per litre... thats awsome...there old technology...once that 350 puts out 150hp per litre then we will talk..thats only 855hp...can that old school v-8 handle that???? nope...

 

[n3gativerr0r]

Blah blah blah...are you a fellow dsmer or a hater?????? hmmm??? How hard is it to beat a ls1.....ohh wow 13.4... i have raced 3 from around here and they never had a chance....they may have been stock i'm not sure.....BUT they arent all that....if you want to get into it lets start at hp per litre....hows that?? 300 hp from a 2.0....150 hp per litre...ummm 350, 5.7 litre how much 300-350hp..wow 61.4hp per litre... thats awsome...there old technology...once that 350 puts out 150hp per litre then we will talk..thats only 855hp...can that old school v-8 handle that???? nope...

I love how people compare one motor to another in power output to displacement when one has FI and one doesn't. First of all you are ignorant. Second of all an LS1 can surely handle 855hp it has, can, and will continue to be done. Harlan motorsports ran a 8.52 on a STOCK BOTTOM END F Body. The 4g63 is one hell of a motor but to say its a better powerplant for putting down big numbers than a LS1 is just plain stupid. And you rattle off hp numbers you forget about powerband and tourque. Peak Horsepower numbers sells cars and impresses fools, tourque wins races.

You can spend 7k on a used Fbody and about 3k in mods and run a basement 11. Full wieght, still streetable.


Now onto the question yes you can beat a stock Fbody. Easiest way would be an turboback and a wet kit.

 

[GORBS88]

I love how people compare one motor to another in power output to displacement when one has FI and one doesn't. First of all you are ignorant. Second of all an LS1 can surely handle 855hp it has, can, and will continue to be done. Harlan motorsports ran a 8.52 on a STOCK BOTTOM END F Body. The 4g63 is one hell of a motor but to say its a better powerplant for putting down big numbers than a LS1 is just plain stupid. And you rattle off hp numbers you forget about powerband and tourque. Peak Horsepower numbers sells cars and impresses fools, tourque wins races.

You can spend 7k on a used Fbody and about 3k in mods and run a basement 11. Full wieght, still streetable.


Now onto the question yes you can beat a stock Fbody. Easiest way would be an turboback and a wet kit.

Yah i know hp isnt all that....actually to me hp dont mean nothin....its all in the torque, but it is the easiest way to compare...i dont need a wet kit to beat one...i do it all day long without juice.....all i am gettin at is that everyone praises camaros.....wow dotn under estimate little engines...if i had 10k into purchase of tsi and mods, low 11's would be easy too....dont think that a camaro can do it any easier.....

 

[AL92]

Hey Gorb give it a rest already.. I can be objective since have the 92 awd tsi ,a 96 z28 vert and 99 trans am ws6 and old 80 pontiac 400 trans am.

Lets compare things again.
Talon..nice looking cars.
F bodies nice looking cars.
Stock talon runs high 14s low 15s. lt1 usually low to mid 14s and ls1 mid to low 14s.
Personal characteristics...well the lt1 is very torquey around town especially if you have 3.23 gears or 3.42s.After market gears make them crazy around town.
The ls1 is a bit less on the bottom but again gears help a lot as do stall converters on auto cars.Fairly minor mods on either car and drag tires and the lt1 can do low 13s pretty easily and the ls1 can do high 12s.
Reliability..have to say the f bodies..talons seem to break a lot.And parts can be astronomical and may become impossilbe if mits shuts down its car division.Course there are lots of dsms out there right now.
Handling the dsm handle great in any weather.The f bodies can be handfuls in bad weather although traction control option helps.
Brakes..my 1 g 92 talon brakes are not that good.My ls1 brakes are fanastic and my lt1 brakes are so so.Lt1 guys put on ls1 front brakes just like us pre 92 dms guys put on 93 and newer bigger dsm brakes.
So thats about it again.And sorry but dont see many low 13 second 14 b cars around here.
And haven't lost to any yet but haven't raced many either.

But anyway muscle cars are fun and turbo cars are fun.And speaking of fun I just got my 50 trim RS 49 up and running last day or so.I am keeping the boost down for now..around 10 psi.I seem to be able to run it that low..not sure exactly how.And car feels pretty fast.Have to race it soon against my 99 and the vert and maybe the 80.

Oh one big thing though.I HAVE THE DAMN PHANTOM KNOCK !! Car was running good let buddy test drive it and it was great but then a bit later the phantom knock started and got so bad I was limping away from every light..I really have to fix the knock thing even if have to get aem ems which I hear is one sure way of getting rid of the problem.

Anyway my amerian muscle cars can do something my awd can't .They can easily burn the tires off whenever I want.Does that make them faster than the talon..not necessarily but it is great fun.And v8 engines sound superb with the right mufflers and stuff.My talon sounds pretty decent with my apexi downpipe and catback also.

 

[Nt-Eclipse-Dail]

i ran a 13.2 @ 101 at 4600 ft. on the stock turbo. turbos make their own atmosphere.

Let's see that timeslip then...

An LS-1 Camaro CAN put down a time like that but your car... Post up that timeslip so we can see it.

 

[DSMJim]

A Camero LS1 typically runs 13.7-13.8 bone stock and a little quicker with some tires. The SS model got 10 extra hp and 25 extra ft/lbs and shaved about 2/10ths off the regular LS1 times however getting to a 13.0 with a drag radial has happened before with some good drivers on an otherwise stock LS1 SS Camero, however rare.. An LT1 runs 14.4-14.6 bone stock but can hit a 14.0 with a tire.

Your car runs 15.0 so adding only a 100hp shot of nitrous will take at least 1.5 seconds off your 1/4 mile time. Hell if you don't take 1.5 seconds off with a 100hp shot (which is like 10psi of boost) then you can't drive. If I was driving the car with a T25 and 100hp shot I could probablly see a high 12 in the car with a good launch and spraying right in 1st gear. Your car wouldn't last long but you would have one hell of a video to watch.

With that said, using only nitrous you could in thoery beat an Camera SS LS1 that was stock with a good run.

I quite enjoy beating up on Camero SS's and Mustang Cobra's and Mach1's etc etc. My car doens't look fast to a Camero guy and it's a lot of fun to open up a football field on them before the 1/8th mile and hold it all the way down the track. When I get back to the lane many times they come up and talk to me because hey now have respect for having their asses handed to them and will all the sudden talk to me and not think im some ricer etc.. I always have the pleasure of telling them my motor is a completly stock 4 banger with a turbo upgrade only. And for the record I can click off 12.1-12.2 all day long it wasn't some freak run I had that only happened once.

 

[NewB2dsm]

I have like 8 good freinds all with ls1's. Stock they ranged from a 13.0@107 to a 13.8@104, theses are my freinds times on street tires at the track.

Now i put the hurting on these cars from a dig. To beat a ls1 very well you will need a 16g, fuel and fmic and a good tune. From a roll it might take a little more than that.

 

[BMWHATR]

WTF? First off the Cammero is totally out of class V8 vs I4? Thats just lame! :thumbdown
I bet he will say So but ur car is TURBO! Don't Metter! "He is totally out of the class." thats like asking to race a Motorcycle VS Bike.

There is no point of proving him that your car can beat his, cuz even if u can he will always come up with stupid excuse "I lucn BAD" or "I didn't waan waste gas." ( know if from experiance)

and yes u can beat him with about $2500+ spend on ur car. (super 20G turbo + fule injectors + pump + intercooler/piping/blow off + good tunning + good Driver= fast ass DSM )

 

[1fast97gsx]

Blah blah blah...are you a fellow dsmer or a hater?????? hmmm??? How hard is it to beat a ls1.....ohh wow 13.4... i have raced 3 from around here and they never had a chance....they may have been stock i'm not sure.....BUT they arent all that....if you want to get into it lets start at hp per litre....hows that?? 300 hp from a 2.0....150 hp per litre...ummm 350, 5.7 litre how much 300-350hp..wow 61.4hp per litre... thats awsome...there old technology...once that 350 puts out 150hp per litre then we will talk..thats only 855hp...can that old school v-8 handle that???? nope...

um ... they have less drivetrain loss, and no FI. With a turbo, supercharger, or nitrous those things haul ass. How would our car run without a turbo???? Exactly so I don't think we can compare it like that. 800 hp has been done on stock bottom ends on a ls1 and they have ran faster than 10.0 on a stock bottom end. I personally could care less about this horsepower per liter crap ... its all about who crosses the finish first.

The original poster : with $2500 on mods you can beat him all day long in the 1/4. Off a roll he will own you and if he puts simple bolt ons and a nice tire on his car he will once again own you. What are you trying to prove to him anyways?