shift box or stall converter?

[black97spyder]

I'm getting ready to drop my fully built bc 288 engine into my stock automatic 97 AWD Talon.

Before the engine goes in, right now would be the best time to put a stall in it so I can get a good jump off the line. And I didn't want to have to remove the engine just to put a stall in it in the future... This car will see 1/2 track time and 1/2 street time

I was thinking somewhere around 2,500-2,600 re-stall done by IPT that way I can still retain my O.D. on the highway at about 2,800-2,900 rpm at 70 mph

What are your guys thoughts???

This car is BONE stock, even had the factory air box when I bought it so there Is a ton of upgrades I'll have to do to get to my goal of high 9's with my Talon. I know a shift box would help a lot from a roll but I can do that upgrade later without having to pull the engine

 

[black97spyder]

I kept the same setup and changed TC from IPT to sinister Speed. IPT I was limited to 2,000 no matter how long I held my brake and e brake. Meaning I was never in boost coming off the line. Sinister Speed I would get about 4,000 with the foot brake and ebrake 4,500. It took a little longer for it to go up in the 500 rpm difference.

Sinister Speed wasnt as friendly as the IPT on the street. I expected that from the stall. Both the converters with the shift box ran excellent.

Awesome!!! That is Exactly the input I was looking for! Thanks

If your not holding your brake on the sinister TC then about when do you start to move off the line? About 3,500?

 

[Bud92gsx]

I think I should mention to not go into first gear while moving,with a shift box.Very important!

I made that mistake a few times.Not again.

 

[DWR-DSM]

Awesome!!! That is Exactly the input I was looking for! Thanks

If your not holding your brake on the sinister TC then about when do you start to move off the line? About 3,500?

Im not sure exactly what you are asking because I got to hold the brake to brake boost but at about 4k the footbrake is the max but with the ebrake its slightly over 4,500k.

I think I should mention to not go into first gear while moving,with a shift box.Very important!

I made that mistake a few times.Not again.

You mean downshift into 1st? I make sure Im completely stopped before I go into first with my shiftbox

 

[black97spyder]

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-electrical-wiring/290665-coil-plug-wiring-install-pics.html

Ohh that's homeade tho,But still.

Mine is basically homemade too, have the cop's and plate. But no pigtails or wiring.

But now I can start working on that setup! Thanks bud

Im not sure exactly what you are asking because I got to hold the brake to brake boost but at about 4k the footbrake is the max but with the ebrake its slightly over 4,500k.



You mean downshift into 1st? I make sure Im completely stopped before I go into first with my shiftbox

Sorry, I was asking if u weren't trying to boost off the line (like if you were on the street) then What rpm would u start to move with the sinister TC?

 

[Bud92gsx]

Yes I mean downshifting into first while moving. If you have not done it, I really dont suggest it at all.

When I did it,That Ohh SHHH went off in my head. Everything was ok.

 

[DWR-DSM]

Mine is basically homemade too, have the cop's and plate. But no pigtails or wiring.

But now I can start working on that setup! Thanks bud



Sorry, I was asking if u weren't trying to boost off the line (like if you were on the street) then What rpm would u start to move with the sinister TC?

I forgot the exact number but it did take more compared to the IPT converter. I also used John Deere Hy-Gard Transmission and Hydraulic Oil in my transmission.

 

[black97spyder]

I'll definitely keep that in mind after I have the shift box!!! Wouldnt ever want to hurt anything!

I forgot the exact number but it did take more compared to the IPT converter. I also used John Deere Hy-Gard Transmission and Hydraulic Oil in my transmission.

Was it a considerable drop from when you were brake boosting? I was looking for something that would start to move me around 2,500-2,600 on the street and that I could brake boost to around 3,500 rpm at the track

 

[DWR-DSM]

I'll definitely keep that in mind after I have the shift box!!! Wouldnt ever want to hurt anything!



Was it a considerable drop from when you were brake boosting? I was looking for something that would start to move me around 2,500-2,600 on the street and that I could brake boost to around 3,500 rpm at the track

I believe it started to move before 2,500 rpms on the street surely. I would contact Sinister Speed, tell them what you want, and your build plan for they could give you feedback.

 

[black97spyder]

I believe it started to move before 2,500 rpms on the street surely. I would contact Sinister Speed, tell them what you want, and your build plan for they could give you feedback.

Sounds like a plan!

If u don't mind me asking, What did your sinister speed TC run you price wise?

 

[DWR-DSM]

$800, thats without shipping or core fee. That was a yr ago

 

[black97spyder]

Okay, that's a little out of my price range but i can save up for another week or two.

Looks like they have a sale right now for 700 but there's so many options i don't know what to even start with. .... I know Nothing about auto's and esp know nothing abiut TC options

What all do u have done to your sinister TC? Is it weighed? Non-lockup? Ect?

I thought I said all this.My bad

Your converter stalls, allowing for boost on launch.
The shift box allows for setting shift points to best fit your powerband to shift at x rpm.

Also,Launch control!!!!< Yes that needed 4 ex points.

Bud, What shift box do you use that has launch control? And how does that work???

 

[DWR-DSM]

So weight adds a load, the greater the piss the higher th stall. So adding weight will for sure add stall regardless.

Some reading - http://www.clickclickracing.com/for...63-AOD-LOCKUP-vs-NON-LOCKUP-Torque-Converters