Sbr G50???

[boostyGST]

Hey I just gave my turbo a 5000 mile inspection and I noticed a few things that are concerning me that I thought I would share and see what you all thought.

First off, I was wondering that with a slight "pinch" in the SBR's rubber oil return line burt anything. What I mean is that it is nice and round @ top then about middle way it squeexy very slightly flatter then after the middle comes back to its full roundness.

Second, I checked for any signs of shaftplay....First I checked for any in & out movement, there is NONE. Then I checked for up and down, there is a VERY SLIGHT up and down movement, however when I pull up on it or down on it the turbine wheel still spins freely in the housing without the fins hitting the housing itself, Is this NORMAL wear on the turbo and when the inner housing fills with oil and the oil pressure builds, will this SLIGHT up and down movement dissappear as the oil travels through the bearings?

Lastly, when I received the turbo @ my residence, I noticed as you are looking into the cold side of the turbo, there is a ruff sliver of the casting inside the turbo housing right before the turbine fins and wheel. It is on the inside of the peice of the turbo which you slide the intake over, except for the fact that the ruff peice of casting is on the inside. I do not think this hurts a thing, however i wanted to bring it up.

 

[95redgsx]

up&down play in the shaft is ok , in&out is not , pinched oil return doesn't sound good though ,as far as the casting flash not shure maybe it wasn't machined properly or maybe thats the way it is supposed to be you should contact sbr and ask

 

[oldman]

The mark on the compressor wheel is just marking for production purposes, the oil you found is probably due to the kinked oil return line.

 

[boostyGST]

well that is good to find that the slight up and down play is no problem, as far as the slight crimp in the oil return, I am not sure what to do to fix it, I have the fittings that SBR gave me to work correctly, the hose was to long and crimped completly, so I gradually cut a inch off @ a time to shorten it, I got it cut to where it fits perfect on both fittings and reaches everything right on, so I am not to sure what to do, is there anyone out there that has this same problem with there SBR oil return lione kits for the SBR G-50.

The ruff sliver of aluminum casting is NOT on the turbine wheel itself, it is on the inside of the turbine inlet housing, it is shiny smooth all the way around, then there is a little 1 inch lond by 1/4 in wide sliver of ruff casting. Right before the turbine wheel but not near where it spins or anyhting.

 

[boostyGST]

i guess this post has ended????

 

[blcknspo0ln]

well that is good to find that the slight up and down play is no problem, as far as the slight crimp in the oil return, I am not sure what to do to fix it, I have the fittings that SBR gave me to work correctly, the hose was to long and crimped completly, so I gradually cut a inch off @ a time to shorten it, I got it cut to where it fits perfect on both fittings and reaches everything right on, so I am not to sure what to do, is there anyone out there that has this same problem with there SBR oil return lione kits for the SBR G-50.

The ruff sliver of aluminum casting is NOT on the turbine wheel itself, it is on the inside of the turbine inlet housing, it is shiny smooth all the way around, then there is a little 1 inch lond by 1/4 in wide sliver of ruff casting. Right before the turbine wheel but not near where it spins or anyhting.

the G series oil return fitting that SBR supplies you in their "kit" just plain out sucks. Why they include a 90* fitting directly from the oil pan is beyond me. I had to order my 45* fitting from Nate at DSMotorsports to get my car running in time. With a 90* fitting, there was absolutely no way to route the oil return line. I currently have the turbo off the car, but once I get it back on, I believe that I will try to use a LONGER line to see if it will help the crimping.

 

[Slowboy]

the G series oil return fitting that SBR supplies you in their "kit" just plain out sucks. Why they include a 90* fitting directly from the oil pan is beyond me. I had to order my 45* fitting from Nate at DSMotorsports to get my car running in time. With a 90* fitting, there was absolutely no way to route the oil return line. I currently have the turbo off the car, but once I get it back on, I believe that I will try to use a LONGER line to see if it will help the crimping.

We have been using a 45* and a straight for some time now, if you need a longer line PM me or give me a call.

Mike Huml

 

[project_tsi]

Agreed, the supplied fitting that come with SBR's kit suck. SBR supplies you with 1 straight fitiing and 1 90* fitting. Granted, its intended that the straight fitting be installed on the turbo and the 90* fitting be put on the oil pan. This is because the oil drain system depends on gravity to put oil back in the pan, there is no pressure in the drain system.

However, withought some major clocking of the turbo, that would interfere with the drain of the turbo, I coulndn't get it to fit without kinking either. Originally, to get it to work at all, I ground off the complete lip on my front motor mount tring to get it to work and it was close, but it still rubbed on the mount, and I wasn't going to take any chances with a brand new turbo.

So, I went to my local distributor, and picked up 2 45* -10an fittings. Put one on the turbo and the other on the pan, of course. My CHRA is hardly cocked at all, and needless to say I have a under 6" piece of hose for my drain. Its actually smaller than that if you take into account the fittings. About 2" of hose on each fitting, and 2" of hose connecting the fittings. Also, there is no bend in my hose whatsoever. Just a straight shot. Very easy hookup.

So SBR needs to send 2 45* fittings, or at least give the customer the choice of what fittings they want.

 

[2deep]

We have been using a 45* and a straight for some time now, if you need a longer line PM me or give me a call.

Mike Huml

Like Mike already mentioned it comes with 45*'s, my kit came with a 45* and not a 90*. So why all this talk about them and 90*'s?....just the typical SBR haters

 

[project_tsi]

Like Mike already mentioned it comes with 45*'s, my kit came with a 45* and not a 90*. So why all this talk about them and 90*'s?....just the typical SBR haters

We are not SBR haters, but when I and a few people I know bought the kits from SBR, they included 1 straight fitting and 1 90* fitting. Since we have purchased the kits, SBR has since changed to a 45* fitting. SBR has just changed fitting obvioulsy b/c they found the 45* fitting to work better. The same goes for the 2g FMIC kit. They used to supply a 45* silicone coupler that was a pain to install, and now they sell it with a simple hump hose connecter which works a lot better. Its basically some more R&D.

 

[dsmsucks]

Slowboy haters
We all love slowboy

 

[blcknspo0ln]

If you checked my profile for "recommended shops" I don't think you'd find me a SBR hater at all. Just had to give the ol' 411 on the g series oil returns kits. At least Mike fixed up the problem

Dan,
With a straight fitting on the turbo, and a 45* on the pan, my return line fit right on there.. although I will agree 2 45*'s would be the easiest way to do it.

 

[boostyGST]

ok well this is the deal with me, when I first bought my kit, they sent me one straight fitting for the SBR G50 turbo and one 90 degree for the pan.....this sucked, so I called them about it. So when I went up there to have my car tuned they gave me a 45 degree. TO BAD IT WAS THE WRONG SIZE FOR THE HOSE......so I had to call them again and I had to ship the fitting they gave me back and they sent me the right 45. Ok well here is my issue, if all the new kits come with 2 45's because of R&D, would it be ok to swap them with SBR.

SBR I have a question for you.......because oil retun line crimping can cause oil seal blowouts would it be ok if everyone including myself that still has a straight fitting send it back for a 45 that would fit on the SBR G50 turbo????

I think this would increase your fan base and even increase you rep with customer service, let us know.

 

[Slowboy]

ok well this is the deal with me, when I first bought my kit, they sent me one straight fitting for the SBR G50 turbo and one 90 degree for the pan.....this sucked, so I called them about it. So when I went up there to have my car tuned they gave me a 45 degree. TO BAD IT WAS THE WRONG SIZE FOR THE HOSE......so I had to call them again and I had to ship the fitting they gave me back and they sent me the right 45. Ok well here is my issue, if all the new kits come with 2 45's because of R&D, would it be ok to swap them with SBR.

SBR I have a question for you.......because oil retun line crimping can cause oil seal blowouts would it be ok if everyone including myself that still has a straight fitting send it back for a 45 that would fit on the SBR G50 turbo????

I think this would increase your fan base and even increase you rep with customer service, let us know.

We have been using a 45* and a straight for some time now, if you need a longer line PM me or give me a call.

Therefore, all of the kits do not come with two 45*'s?

Mike Huml

 

[DSM Jeff]

I have a 45* and a straight fitting on my 50trim. I had to notch the engine mount so the 45* could fit. The straight is on the oil pan and I had the line pinch. Changing the length of the line wouldn't change a thing. I plan on buying another 45* but until then I put a hose clamp on the kink to pull the sides back in so the line would be round. This has helped but its rather "ghetto" Then again I maybe changing set ups come spring so we'll see...

 

[LA97GST]

Just run out and buy another 45 for a few dollars. I'm sure if you called Mike and was respectable he would be more than helpful. Getting on these boards and saying that it is crap and kinking your line is not right. Get your lazy butt up and go buy a fitting. SBR is one of the most complete dsm shops around and I wouldn't complain about them to save my life.

 

[blcknspo0ln]

so you're saying that you're comfortable with the fact that you'd pay 85 dollars for HALF of a kit? I don't think so. If I hadn't already bought a 45* from DSMotorsport, I would have called SBR. The point that we are all trying to make is that SBR is the company, but we're complaining about a specific product that they sell. Since Mike has came onto this thread and informed us that he rectified the problem on their new kits, I don't see any room for arguement

 

[Slowboy]

so you're saying that you're comfortable with the fact that you'd pay 85 dollars for HALF of a kit? I don't think so. If I hadn't already bought a 45* from DSMotorsport, I would have called SBR. The point that we are all trying to make is that SBR is the company, but we're complaining about a specific product that they sell. Since Mike has came onto this thread and informed us that he rectified the problem on their new kits, I don't see any room for arguement

Here is the biggest problem, seems as if almost every car, every turbo manufacture, every manifold option, every installer, all does things different!

What do I mean?

1G vs. 2G

Mitsubishi vs. Garrett vs. PTE vs. Turbonetics.... every turbo has the CHRA clocked a "little" different. And god help me if the end user takes things apart and puts them back together!

2G manifold vs. Turbonetics manifold vs. SBR manifold vs. EVO manifold vs. DNP vs. SS autochrome vs. WHOMEVER... they all have slightly different turbo placement. Meaning, well you know... the line is slightly off.

What I think is best, is before someone purchases they call us and let us know which flanges may suit them best. As well, just between a "straight" and a "45*" there is a $6.34 difference in price from Goodridge, these are not cheap fittings

If anyone has issues, please PM me or call us!

Mike Huml

 

[blcknspo0ln]

If anyone has issues, please PM me or call us!

Mike Huml

Oh trust me, I call enough.. just ask Matt (tell him I'm the "Tom with the g50")

 

[Slowboy]

Oh trust me, I call enough.. just ask Matt (tell him I'm the "Tom with the g50")

HEHE, he just laughed

Mike Huml