SBR-2g16g turbo anyone??

[blackGSX2g]

Hey, I called up Slowboy Racing to try and get a E16g and install kit for my 2g, but they didn't have the install kit till the end of the week. They offered me the option of getting a e16g turbo internals with a modified t25 compressor housing. It is a direct bolt up to the 2g. They said it had the same performance as the regular E16g with the bolt up characteristics of a t25/28. I was just wondering what the real world performance would be compared to a regular e16g.

 

[GPTourer]

You may want to do a search on the 2g20g before you make this decision. That turbo is built the same way using a t3 compressor cover over 20g internals. I personally would wait and get the real Evo3 and just buy an install kit from someone else, like RRE. That way, you can be sure to get a properly built turbo direct from MHI's assembly lines. The T-25 cover is probably not as good as the TD05H. A j-pipe is not such a bad thing after all.

 

[kooka]

search dsmtalk for the nightmare called 2g20g.

 

[blackGSX2g]

nightmare eh? ...thanks guys, I think I'm just going to wait and get the real e16g

 

[1990greenGSX]

You may want to do a search on the 2g20g before you make this decision. That turbo is built the same way using a t3 compressor cover over 20g internals. I personally would wait and get the real Evo3 and just buy an install kit from someone else, like RRE. That way, you can be sure to get a properly built turbo direct from MHI's assembly lines. The T-25 cover is probably not as good as the TD05H. A j-pipe is not such a bad thing after all.

First off.. The Evo 16 center is used.. We do not use a T3 compressor cover.. It is a T-25 compressor cover machined out to fit the EVO Wheel.. I was the one who talked on the phone with him about this. It still is an evo turbine housing, just uses a different accuator. The T-25 is a factory cover and doesnt have much a flow rating difference between it and the TDO5H cover..
But as an FYI... our 2g install kits are in
Thanks
Mark
Slowboy Racing

 

[GPTourer]

First off.. The Evo 16 center is used.. We do not use a T3 compressor cover.. It is a T-25 compressor cover machined out to fit the EVO Wheel.. Thanks
Mark
Slowboy Racing

So is that how the 2G20G is made? A T-25 cover over an EVO16 center? Because that's the model I was referring to, you misunderstood my post. I was just pointing out that the 2G20G was made in a similar fashion to the one the original poster is referring too.

 

[1990greenGSX]

You may want to do a search on the 2g20g before you make this decision. That turbo is built the same way using a t3 compressor cover over 20g internals. The T-25 cover is probably not as good as the TD05H. A j-pipe is not such a bad thing after all.

You say right here that the two turbos are built the same.. So the original post was about the 16g, That makes anyone think that you are saying they are the same.. I was just discussing how the 16 was made, not using a T3 cover etc... No 2g20gs are made with a 20g Mitsu center/cover/housing with a elbow welded on. thats it.. no science here guys

we can make a small, big or an evo into teh T25 cover for a 2g!

Thanks
Mark
Slowboy Racing

 

[GPTourer]

Okay fine, so the wording of my post was a little off. It could have used a "similar" or "instead of" somewhere along the way. The POINT is, I was only suggesting the guy look into what has been happening to a few other people who own this "style" of turbo and that he MIGHT be better off going with the straight up EVO3 w/install kit instead.

 

[1990greenGSX]

Okay fine, so the wording of my post was a little off. It could have used a "similar" or "instead of" somewhere along the way.

...its cool.. I was just makin sure i was understood on the post.. i didnt want to confuse anyone thats all

Mark
Slowboy Racing

 

[blackGSX2g]

Thanks guys, I ended up just ordering the regular evo 16g and install kit. Hey Mark, any idea on when it will be shipped? Thanks for the excellent support by the way, I really appreciate it. Its so nice to have a company actually stand by its product and help out prospective customers.

 

[highintenzity4]

why is the sbr2g20g a nightmare? i searched dsmtalk.com and couldnt find a topic dealing with it. What is wrong with it? Is it a turbo to break into the 12s with?

 

[hornetsnest]

why is the sbr2g20g a nightmare? i searched dsmtalk.com and couldnt find a topic dealing with it. What is wrong with it? Is it a turbo to break into the 12s with?

Same ??? here. I am seriously considering this turbo too and couldn't find anything bad about it either. I've heard about a bad experience involving SBR and a guy over a 20g, but stuff like that happens with every product (bad apples). It doesn't mean the turbo itself or the design is inherently flawed. Some stuff gotta get chalked up in the sh!t happens category. A couple bad experiences by others shouldn't completely rule out a product or a company.

BTW (other than an occasional customer) I have no affilliation with SBR...just in case anyone is wondering

 

[GPTourer]

All I had to do was type 2g20g and leak into the dsmtalk.com search engine, and the thread comes up:

http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117982&highlight=2g20g+leak

I was considering the same turbo until even a guy from Slowboy recommended the Evo3 over it as a "better" street turbo. I still recommend Slowboy, excellent people to deal with - answered all my noob questions over e-mail, prompt shipping, the whole trransaction was grade A, but I'm glad I didn't get this particular product. It is a "Killer" style turbo that they are reselling and was created by turbochargers.com - not that that makes it inherently bad, its just doesn't have the track record of the more proven 16g family.

But to some it all up, I will do business with Slowboy again when the time comes and would recommend them to anyone.

 

[Turbocharged]

Ive had the sbr 2g20g on my car for about a year now. If I could do it again I wish I would have gotten a 50 trim. Not that Im disappointed with the turbos performance, but it seems that people are much more successful with the 50 trim. Also, my 2g20g is leaking around the compressor housing BAD. I can only hold about 5 psi in the intake. Im have the turbo fixed by forced performance because I trust them much more than sbr. Some of the replys I got from sbr about fixing the turbo were pretty funny :thumbdown ...

Also, if you have decided on the 2g20g, I would suggest buying it from someone other than slow boy. They dont seem to be the most reliable shop. Ive had bad experiences with them and so have many other people on this board.

 

[hornetsnest]

...if you have decided on the 2g20g, I would suggest buying it from someone other than slow boy...

Who else sells this turbo? The impression I got from sbr is that they make the turbo. Do they just buy it from someone else and sell it or do they actually "build" the turbo?

I'm really looking for a bolt on, internally gated turbo inbetween my Big16g and a 50 trim. The 2g20g looked like the answer, but unsure now.

 

[1990greenGSX]

Who else sells this turbo? The impression I got from sbr is that they make the turbo. Do they just buy it from someone else and sell it or do they actually "build" the turbo?

I'm really looking for a bolt on, internally gated turbo inbetween my Big16g and a 50 trim. The 2g20g looked like the answer, but unsure now.

OK... again... as i posted earlier,, The 2g20gs are now made with a mitsu Turbo, that has a downfiring style Mitsu Cover, that has an Aluminum elbow welded on for the 2gs.. Thats it.. It is a complete Mitsu, comes with the 7cm housing. The 2g20g can be made using the Tdo5, or Tdo6 or H style Turbine wheels just depends on your budget. It is Mitsu Built.. If someone is trying to make you one... who knows about it. I hope this helps clear teh confusion..

Mark
Slowboy Racing

 

[hornetsnest]

OK... again... as i posted earlier,, The 2g20gs are now made with a mitsu Turbo, that has a downfiring style Mitsu Cover, that has an Aluminum elbow welded on for the 2gs.. Thats it.. It is a complete Mitsu, comes with the 7cm housing. The 2g20g can be made using the Tdo5, or Tdo6 or H style Turbine wheels just depends on your budget. It is Mitsu Built.. If someone is trying to make you one... who knows about it. I hope this helps clear teh confusion..

Mark
Slowboy Racing

So you guys do no "work" to these turbos after you recieve them.

They come to sbr totally built/preassembled correct?

So this means the leaky 2g20g problems I've been reading about are problems from mitsu and not your turbo builders correct?

I need clarification too...thanks

 

[1990greenGSX]

So you guys do no "work" to these turbos after you recieve them.

They come to sbr totally built/preassembled correct?

So this means the leaky 2g20g problems I've been reading about are problems from mitsu and not your turbo builders correct?

I need clarification too...thanks

The only thing we do is weld on the elbow.. But now you have to realize. Turbos that do come with Orings, they are supposed to be reusable, same as any Oring thing (ie injectors etc) unless dry rotted or torn. And some turbos come with a paper gasket. 95% of Garret turbos will leak around the cover.. So thats why we switched to using the Mitsu style covers that do not leak and only need the elbow. We have not used the Garret 20gs for over 6 months,,and on our custom garret GT and G series turbos, we only use garrets center, me manufacture our own compressor covers and Turbine housings for these, which doesnt have the leaky issues with factory garret covers. If you need any more info...let me know

Mark
Slowboy Racing

 

[hornetsnest]

So to my understanding, these leak problems were caused by the garrett style (which inherently have a leak problem) 20g's which sbr no longer uses for the 2g20g. This should have solved the problem correct?

Has there been any similar complaints with leaky turbos since switching over to the mitsu style? (Q for all, not just sbr guy)

Sorry to look like a cop or a reporter, but I am genuinely interested in this turbo and trying to find out as much as possible good or bad. I hope that myself asking the questions are helping out others reading this.

Thanks for the time...

 

[Turbocharged]

So to my understanding, these leak problems were caused by the garrett style (which inherently have a leak problem) 20g's which sbr no longer uses for the 2g20g. This should have solved the problem correct?
QUOTE]

Nope, didnt seem to solve anything:
http://www.dsmtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117982&highlight=leak+2g20g

Dont get me wrong, I gave this turbo a great review when I first installed it. However, this leak is holding me back BIG TIME. My car is VERY sluggish. Im sending my turbo to forced performance to be fixed right...

 

[hornetsnest]

Just noticed the dates on the posts which suggest the problem wasn't solved by the switch.

Well the problem in general may have been solved and that guy may just have bad luck with a "bastard" turbo, but I don't think that explains the way he was describing customer service. I have no personal complaints about sbr's CS, but then again I have never had a problem with a product, so who knows...

 

[1990greenGSX]

Just noticed the dates on the posts which suggest the problem wasn't solved by the switch.

Well the problem in general may have been solved and that guy may just have bad luck with a "bastard" turbo, but I don't think that explains the way he was describing customer service. I have no personal complaints about sbr's CS, but then again I have never had a problem with a product, so who knows...

well... I gaurantee that it isnt the Mitsu Cover that is causing the problem.. That is if half the people out there can tell the difference.. Customer service is out of my hand.. I can admit i have had my bad day with customers... but.. I have had mine with companies as well.. As i said in another post.. everyone has their bad experiences, and hold their opinions and there is nothing i can do about it ..I am sorry,

Mark
SBR

 

[highintenzity4]

can someone please send me a link on where to order a bolt-on 50trim. Thanks.