Return of the Eclipse GSX?

[Wufei]

Oh on topic...

I've been pretty happy with my two 2g's reliability. The O2 sensor went bad on the 2gn/t after 100k, but that was only a $50 fix. The MDP sensor on the Talon went bad at 101k, and that's gonna be more like a $20 (from local DSMer) fix Nothing else has really gone wrong on my cars, but then they're not modded much.

You can't rag on reliability that much with modded cars. The engineers never intended or anticipated for the cars to be making as much power as a lot of people are now. Weak points are bound to break. Also, I expect things to start wearing out/going bad past the 150k mark.

I think they should at least run a special edition of the RalliArt Eclipse. There's definitely a market: the guys who would like Evo performance but don't want a sedan. And also the more mature DSM guys who can afford a new car. I bet it's also considerably lighter than the regular 4g...for one you don't have a V6 in there, and they probably did/can do some factory weight reduction.

Anyway...

C5 Vettes and, some Porsche 911s run high 13's bone stock. I'm not real sure about the 1/4 mile on the M3's but i do know it goes 0 to 60mph in 4.8 seconds similar to the EVO's. Then again m3's really are not made for speed. M3's are more luxury cars than anything else. Yet there is noting lugsury about the evo's as the evo RS model's dont have power windows/ locks/ABS or even an Audio System yet they still coast $29,149. The IX model coast $31,399 and, MR models go for $36,299 now you tell me does a boxy 4banger really worth that much.

You realize that the RS is tailored for the hardcore guys who want a light car? How is there nothing "lugsury" about the Evo/MR compared to a M3?

By prototype i mean something new such as Kia.

Cuz we all know Kia has TONS of prototypes WTF

Seems like you never been to a track. There are plenty of V6 Stangs and, 300zx's running 12's for half 20k. As a matter of fact when i had my 92 300zx i was running high 12's with only little less than 4grand in bolt-on's.

You realize that it's like 10k INCLUDING the cost of the car?

Also what does this have to do anything with my original post in which i simple said Quote: No you cant get v8 power from a 4g63 engine...blah apple...blah oranges...blah butterknife 9mm

WTF What does this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ have to do with running 12's and, spending 20k on V6's.

Hmm let's see...:

Like i have already mentioned before 6-8psi is plenty for a naturally aspired engine. Why exactly would a v6 be more expensive to mod or upgrade thats just silly.

I bet you could build a dsm that would eat Z alive but, we're not talking about DSM's we're talking about EVO's that coast just about the same as the Z's.

Nope, we were talking about 4g63 vs. V6/Z

And your point is what? there are also V8's 4.6L in the 05 mustangs making 300hp stock.Also lets not forget 4.6L making 260hp and, thats all engine no turbo. You pull the turbo of the EVO and, see how much HP the little 2.0L makes. Add the same turbo to that 4.6L and, see what HP it makes. If you think that you could make more power on a 2.0L than on a 4.6L or even a 2.4L your sadly mistaken my friend.

Guess what? The Mustang is STILL SLOWER than the Evo Also, have fun putting the Evo's turbo on the V8? WTF

And your point is what? there are also V8's 4.6L in the 05 mustangs making 300hp stock.Also lets not forget 4.6L making 260hp and, thats all engine no turbo. You pull the turbo of the EVO and, see how much HP the little 2.0L makes. Add the same turbo to that 4.6L and, see what HP it makes. If you think that you could make more power on a 2.0L than on a 4.6L or even a 2.4L your sadly mistaken my friend.What point would that be? So far the only thing thats slower out of the cars you mentioned was the M3 even though its not really made for speed but, mostly comfort and, luxury. The stock C5's run high to mid 13's and the evo doesn't.

The point is the stock Evo runs low 13's to high 12's? Mmkay?

 

[VicBoost]

never saw any of these around in canada... are they even out?

 

[DSM BEEYACH]

You realize that the RS is tailored for the hardcore guys who want a light car.

Oh yes a car with out power window/loocks and, a sound system that will surely put it in to 10's.

Cuz we all know Kia has TONS of prototypes WTF

Like i said already what i meant by "prototype" is a car that just came in to production very recently and, hasn't yet ironed out all it's problems.

You realize that it's like 10k INCLUDING the cost of the car?

You realize i paid $1,100 for it.

Nope, we were talking about 4g63 vs. V6/Z

Yea and we all know that the EVO's 4g63 engine is identical to the dsm's 4g63 engine. Try again my friend. If you think you can use the parts of an EVO's 4g63 engine in a DSM. Well then you'll be the first that did.

The point is the stock Evo runs low 13's to high 12's? Mmkay?

Haha i'm sure it does, i'm sure it does. Very funny my friend very funny. you got any evidence of a stock EVO running 12's or even 13's?

 

[Bryan90TSiAWD]

should be quick. But how much do they weigh?

 

[99gst_racer]

I thought that car was built by HKS?

It was a team effort between HKS and Ralliart.

bigblock - It was quite a nice build, however, it will more than likely never become a production car. There has already been numerous threads started on the topic, so we don't really need another one (especially in the Tech section ).

 

[eclipseGSTud]

There's already a long discussion about this in the hangout section:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203905

 

[tstkl]

i thought it was just ralliart, and they used a bunch of hks parts just cuz... i mean mitsu doesnt have an external wastegate, and they probably said what the heck, well use hks' turbo and manifold as well... or something...

either way, the way i look at it theres no way this car will be produced... the evox is coming out in 2007, which gives them one year (2006 models are already out, i guess you could say 1-1.5 years...) to advertise, legalize, and finalize the car, before the 4g63 is no longer sold in any car,... if they were to produce one, not only would the evox no longer be their flagship car anymore (note that they are producing a whole new chassi, AND engine for the premeir of this car), and it wouldnt use the 4g63, it would use the new "world engine" like the new evo is going to... and the calibur, and a bunch of other diamler chrysler cars.....

 

[tstkl]

YOU CAN USE EVO PARTS ON A DSM

jesus christ, people have used the pistons, rods, valves, turbocharger, fmic, injectors, and probably a bunch of other things on dsm, so shut up...

"a v6 isnt more expensive to mod than an inline 4" MY ASS, twice as many headers and heads, 1.5 times as many rods and pistons, depending on the set up there might be more valves and cams (sohc or ohv would be less), more injectors, plugs, fuel rails all the little things,... and the fact that someone is running a 7.9@179mph with this car doesnt make you believe that this engine is better?

good luck in the special olympics next time they come around, cuz im sorry to tell you they dont have any special drag racing tournys or rally races for you....


edit:

Haha i'm sure it does, i'm sure it does. Very funny my friend very funny. you got any evidence of a stock EVO running 12's or even 13's?

didnt even notice this at first,... but to answer this question, try the car and driver i have sitting on the floor next to me... not good enough? how about the road and track next to it? or the motor trend over there... or dsmtimes.org..... if you think an evo cant run 13's... well you obviously dont have much sitting on your shoulders now do you?

 

[leet]

I swear, if I have to edit one more post in this thread it's getting locked.

Keep your goddamned discussion civil. THAT MEANS NO NAME CALLING.

 

[Defiant]

Yes it is, no it isn't, yes it is, no it isn't.

Shut up.

 

[Ludachris]

Not sure how this got so far off topic, but let me help some of you out:

1. The stock Evo ran low-mid 13's in just about all of the magazine tests.

2. The new 4G63 engines are not the same as the DSM engine, but the design is still fairly similar - enough to warrant keeping the same engine code. Not all parts can be swapped between the two but they're not as much of a departure as say, the LT1 and the LS1.

3. V8's have greater horsepower potential than 4 cylinders no matter how you argue it. A turbo 8 will beat a turbo 4 almost everytime on paper. However, there are a few 1,000+ hp 4G63-powered cars out there running 7-9 seconds. So, yes, the engine might be limited when it comes to power, but once you get over 800 horsepower, does the limitation really matter more than traction? The whole replacement for displacement arguement has been beaten to death. I don't think there's any need to try and convince anyone that the DSM has great power potential. And when it comes to road course racing and AutoX, the 4-bangers are "usually" better balanced due to the lighter weight of the engine. Let's not forget, Evos are made to turn, not just go fast in a straight line - show me another brand new car for $29k (or even $40k) that can beat it on a road course... there aren't many. Which brings me to my last point...

4. Bang for the buck can be argued over and over and over. The DSM is great, many older V8's are also great. There are many cars that are great. Who cares. Pick up a copy of Grass Roots Motorsports - they have bang for the buck competitions all the time. The DSM finished in the top 5-10 in a couple contests that I read this year and last.

You can discuss the new 4G63 Eclipse in some open discussions in the Hangout. There are a few.