Return of the Eclipse GSX?

[Yu_Gst]

i wonder if there ever gonna make a talon again? But yea those 06 eclipses alright... i don't really like the body or the itec or whatever its running... wish they had some sort of turbo system running through it.

yeah same here, the new body for the 06 eclipses does not appeal to me at all. And what is it running? like? 14s? 15s?

 

[Deadly BlaZe]

just saw this on google..interesting photo chop

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/571/mitsubishiunderground8jk.jpg

 

[toutsuu]

I'd buy one, and I'm sure most DSM owners would want it, but the first thing I would do is scrap all that plastic under the hood, what is up with that?

 

[GPTourer]

If you pop the hood of a lot of late model cars- most premium cars and most sports cars, their engines and accesories are covered in plastic for a cleaner more aesthetically pleasing look. Also for underhood aerodynamics.

 

[DSM BEEYACH]

Not necessarily true. The big selling point of the 4G63 is that it can handle abuse more than anything.

WTF DSM being reliable never heard of such. Please tell me where i could find me one of those. I still cant figure out to what kind of people is a little 2.0 4banger a selling point. I know i would never ever have bothered with dsm's if there were no AWD's. I'm sorry i have no respect for FWD in so called proformence cars.

I doubt that the stock 4th Gen Eclipse engine can handle more than 10PSI of boost in its stock form.

10psi is plenty for a naturally aspired engine.

Im sure it will be puking its guts earlier than a 4G63.

How do you figure it will be puking its guts earlier than a 4g63 engine. Every engine has its own problems. Just about any properly maintained engine will hold up just as long as any other engine would.

Our cars are just better under pressure.

No not really.

 

[GPTourer]

I still cant figure out to what kind of people is a little 2.0 4banger a selling point.

You mean to tell us you've never heard anyone praise the 4G63 for its durability and power output capability? Do you realize that in the grand scheme of things a car that can out perform vehicles that cost more then it does because it is lighter, better handling and able to produce similar power is what this whole sport compact scene is all about? Truly, if you'd rather have a heavier, more expensive and more complicated car then a DSM, or an Evo, or an STi, RSX Type-S, SRT-4 bla bla bla bla and on and on that's cool, but the whole point is you can get V8 power from a 4G63 (and several other import engines, however, the 4G63 is considered the king of 4cyls by many.) But without all the weight, cost and complexity of a V8 car. Duh.

I know i would never ever have bothered with dsm's if there were no AWD's. I'm sorry i have no respect for FWD in so called proformence cars.

Well, whatever, to each is own. I think my GS-T would be a lot less fun if it had a 3.0L V6 in it that could only handle like 6-8psi and be more expensive to mod and upgrade, less space to work with and could only handle like 325whp on its stock bottom. You can get a Ford 500 with AWD, why didn't you get one of those? They are probably more reliable then a DSM.

 

[MrBoxx]

Not to go off topic or anything, but I test drove a Ford 500. My wife had a coupon for a free $50 gift certificate to Old Navy if we test drove a Ford. The 500's AWD is barely noticeable, and pushing the gas pedal to the floor barely gets a rise out of the front end. The brakes lock up after half an inch of pedal travel (typical Ford brakes). Other than the interior comfort, there is no performance reason to buy a 500.

The Ralliart Eclipse is a great idea, but it'll never make the production line, sadly.

 

[DSM BEEYACH]

Truly, if you'd rather have a heavier, more expensive and more complicated car then a DSM, or an Evo, or an STi, RSX Type-S, SRT-4 bla bla bla bla and on and on.

Evo or STi sorry I'm not in to modifying 4 door family sedans that look like total shit. RSX type-s a tinfoil body with front wheel drive. No thank you. SRT-4 yet another turbo front wheel drive butt ugly 4door with crapy drive train. Also Evo's / STI's are hardly cheap cars.

the whole point is you can get V8 power from a 4G63 (and several other import engines.

No you cant get v8 power from a 4g63 engine. Your not comparing apples and, apples here if you modify a v8 like you would modify a 4g63 engine you will not get the same power. 4cylinder / v8 eater........... its like saying ill kill u with a butter knife when u got a 9mm.

Well, whatever, to each is own.I think my GS-T would be a lot less fun

I don't mean to get of subject here but, if you don't mind me asking you. why do you say a FWD GST being fun to drive?. Its just that i owned many, many DSM's FWD and, AWD and, i just don't seem to understand why FWD is fun. Wheel spin, wheel hop, torque steering in the rain, under steering in corners. What's so fun about any of that.

less space to work with.

In some cases yes but, not allways.

3.0L V6 in it that could only handle like 6-8psi and be more expensive to mod and upgrade.

Like i have already mentioned before 6-8psi is plenty for a naturally aspired engine. Why exactly would a v6 be more expensive to mod or upgrade thats just silly.

could only handle like 325whp on its stock bottom.

Now thats just Ignorance at it's best. How do you figure it can only handle 325whp on its stock bottom. You never owned one. You never modified one so where do you come up with numbers like that.

You can get a Ford 500 with AWD, why didn't you get one of those?

I'm sorry I'm not in to modifying family sedans.

They are probably more reliable then a DSM.

In case you haven't noticed that i was just joking about the whole reliability thing. Its does not matter who makes the car whether its ford or Mitsubishi. As long as the car is properly maintained and, is not some new prototype deal it will last just as long as any other car would.

 

[Wufei]

Evo or STi sorry I'm not in to modifying 4 door family sedans that look like total shit. RSX type-s a tinfoil body with front wheel drive. No thank you. SRT-4 yet another turbo front wheel drive butt ugly 4door with crapy drive train. Also Evo's / STI's are hardly cheap cars.

Since they can outperform cars more than twice their price, YES they're cheap.

No you cant get v8 power from a 4g63 engine. Your not comparing apples and, apples here if you modify a v8 like you would modify a 4g63 engine you will not get the same power. 4cylinder / v8 eater........... its like saying ill kill u with a butter knife when u got a 9mm.

Except the butterknife cuts the 9mm up...have you even read stuff on this forum?

Like i have already mentioned before 6-8psi is plenty for a naturally aspired engine. Why exactly would a v6 be more expensive to mod or upgrade thats just silly.

Nope, it's not silly. The 4g63 has HUGE aftermarket support, try finding the same support for a random V6.

I'm sorry I'm not in to modifying family sedans.

You realize he's making fun of you

In case you haven't noticed that i was just joking about the whole reliability thing. Its does not matter who makes the car whether its ford or Mitsubishi. As long as the car is properly maintained and, is not some new prototype deal it will last just as long as any other car would.

That was a badly conveyed joke, but finally a point I agree with!

 

[DSM BEEYACH]

Since they can outperform cars more than twice their price, YES they're cheap.

Care to back up that statement and, tell me what cars your referring to.

Except the butterknife cuts the 9mm up...have you even read stuff on this forum?

WTF Such as ..............

Nope, it's not silly. The 4g63 has HUGE aftermarket support, try finding the same support for a random V6.

If that was the case how do you suppose the 350z guy's manage to mod their cars. They also got a random V6 and, they don't seem to have much of a problem. These days finding aftermarket parts isn't a big thing since everybody and, their mother are selling them.

 

[GPTourer]

Evo or STi sorry I'm not in to modifying 4 door family sedans that look like total shit. RSX type-s a tinfoil body with front wheel drive. No thank you. SRT-4 yet another turbo front wheel drive butt ugly 4door with crapy drive train. Also Evo's / STI's are hardly cheap cars.

Evos and STis commonly go up against and beat cars that cost much more such as C5 Vettes, Porsche 911s and BMW M3's. They are most certainly not cheap cars, but neither are Vette's Porsches and BMW's.

No you cant get v8 power from a 4g63 engine. Your not comparing apples and, apples here if you modify a v8 like you would modify a 4g63 engine you will not get the same power. 4cylinder / v8 eater........... its like saying ill kill u with a butter knife when u got a 9mm.

I could still lightly mod an EVO and the car would be cheaper to own and mod then a Porsche or M3. I don't care whether it is apples or oranges. 50K grand for an M3 + $8K grand in mods is not better then a 30K Evo + 5K in mods. These are arbitrary numbers of course, but it is more expensive to own and mod European cars, and American V8's and V10's then it is for a 4G63 powered car. "Oh yeah! Well If I had spent the same in mods on my car, I would have won!" That's just sore loser speak.

I don't mean to get of subject here but, if you don't mind me asking you. why do you say a FWD GST being fun to drive?. Its just that i owned many, many DSM's FWD and, AWD and, i just don't seem to understand why FWD is fun. Wheel spin, wheel hop, torque steering in the rain, under steering in corners. What's so fun about any of that.

What you do with your car on a daily basis and the problems you experienced are not neccessarily the same as others. My car doesn't wheelhop. It doesn't understeer into corners because It's never been on a racetrack, and I don't drive it fast enough into corners on the street for that to happen. I drive carefully in the rain in both my AWD and my FWD car, so I never experience any severe slippage either. But I still think my GS-T is a lot of fun. So there.

Like i have already mentioned before 6-8psi is plenty for a naturally aspired engine. Why exactly would a v6 be more expensive to mod or upgrade thats just silly.

It isn't silly when there isn't much aftermarket support for them. The 4G63 has many sources of parts available that makes modding cheaper then any typical import V6.

Now thats just Ignorance at it's best. How do you figure it can only handle 325whp on its stock bottom. You never owned one. You never modified one so where do you come up with numbers like that.

How do you figure I've never owned one? What car/engine do you think I am referring too?

In case you haven't noticed that i was just joking about the whole reliability thing. Its does not matter who makes the car whether its ford or Mitsubishi. As long as the car is properly maintained and, is not some new prototype deal it will last just as long as any other car would.

There's no way in the world you could come to that conclusion if you had any real experience with cars. From Lexus to Kia, anything and everything in between, you think they all have the potential to last as long as the other with just general maintenance.
BTW, this a threadjack, so maybe you ought to start a new thread why 4G63's are nothing special. Everytime I've started a 4G thread something like this happens.

 

[Wufei]

Care to back up that statement and, tell me what cars your referring to.

Evos and STis commonly go up against and beat cars that cost much more such as C5 Vettes, Porsche 911s and BMW M3's.

Thanks!

Specifically, check the 2004 Porsche 40th Anniversary 911 Carrera vs. a regular Evo VIII, 4.9 0-60 vs. 4.7 0-60? Oh and by the way, the 911 is THREE TIMES the price of the Evo.

WTF Such as ..............

How about all the guys running 12's and under? If you add up all they've spent, it won't be even near 20k...try getting a V6 and running 12's with that much money?

If that was the case how do you suppose the 350z guy's manage to mod their cars. They also got a random V6 and, they don't seem to have much of a problem. These days finding aftermarket parts isn't a big thing since everybody and, their mother are selling them.

The VQ engine's got a good amount of aftermarket support...BUT having said that, give me the money that you'd spend on a 350Z with mods and I'll build a DSM that would just eat the Z alive.

 

[MrBoxx]

I think you guys are bordering on bench racing. Just an observation.

 

[leet]

Yeah. Get this back on topic.

 

[DSM BEEYACH]

I guess you didn't see that part about GETTING BACK ON TOPIC. - leet

 

[bwhughey]

Which topic? Oh, yeah, the new 2-door EVO. ;-)

I always buy my OEM parts from a certain dealer in Florida. A certain parts counter person there knows these cars better than anyone I've ever talked to at any other Mitsu dealer and even has better prices!

During a recent telephone conversation, this particular counter person said his dealership used to do about $30,000 per month in warranty business. Now they're lucky to do $3,000, and some months it's as low as $1,500. That's even while unit sales at this dealer have increased by about 30% over the last 5 years or so.

Bottom line? Mitsubishi's quality is getting better. Of course, it HAD to. And we all know it.

Not to break bad in this thread, but 1G and 2G DSMs are NOT at all of even average reliability. I feel sorry for the broke college kid who runs out and buys one cheap "'cause his buddy has one that turns 12's", and immediately gets a whole face full of DSM reality. If you don't know how to work on cars or don't have the money to pay someone else to do it, they're way beyond a black hole in the driveway. If you don't have much money and you need a daily driver, my advise would be: DO NOT BUY A DSM.

Lets see...I've owned my 1G since I bought it new in 1991. I've changed the oil every 3K miles with M-1 and meticulously maintained this car in every way. Not counting elective or maintenance mods (like struts, brakes, etc.) I've been through:

Oxygen Sensor Recall
Timing Belt Recall
Broken Exhaust Manifold studs
Leaking Transfer Case Yoke
Leaking Capacitors in the ECU
Bad ISC
Bad Idle Switch
3 Airconditioning Condensors
2 Broken Engine mounts
2 Rebuilt transmissions
Front Lower Control Arm Ball Joints
Stock 14b Turbo Exhaust Housing Cracking
Leaking Steering Rack
Front Sway Bar Links
Oil Leaks and Bad Seals too numerous to list
Batteries wear out, but 6 DieHards in 14 years? Underhood temps too high?
...and I'm sure I'm forgetten a few...

Yes, I love mine, enough to dump a whole engine and trans rebuild into it recently. At 196,000 miles, a valve stem broke off. But these cars are not for the timid or cash-flow challenged.

Why didn't I just buy a new car? I considered an EVO, but what I really want in a car I bought 14 years ago. If they made a new one, I would have bought a new one.

Oh, and for you guys who say "just turbo the v6", an indication to all that you somehow missed the last two decades of technological advancement in power-to-weight ratio (and the whole purpose of this website), this has been done before...it was called a 3000GT VR4. And, frankly, it turned out to be a ponderous beast that was too expensive, too heavy, and drove like a tank.

Another point...a guy at AMS told me that they REFUSE to build 7-bolt motors because of all the bottom-end problems. But the EVO motors, while technically they use 7 bolts to attach the flywheel, have NOTHING in common with the old late 1G - early 2G short blocks. Naturally they DO build new EVOs all the time.

A two-door EVO 9 with Mitsubishi's new quality level would get my business in a heart beat. A quick heart beat.

Regards,

Brad

 

[DSM BEEYACH]

Evos and STis commonly go up against and beat cars that cost much more such as C5 Vettes, Porsche 911s and BMW M3's. They are most certainly not cheap cars, but neither are Vette's Porsches and BMW's.

C5 Vettes and, some Porsche 911s run high 13's bone stock. I'm not real sure about the 1/4 mile on the M3's but i do know it goes 0 to 60mph in 4.8 seconds similar to the EVO's. Then again m3's really are not made for speed. M3's are more luxury cars than anything else. Yet there is noting lugsury about the evo's as the evo RS model's dont have power windows/ locks/ABS or even an Audio System yet they still coast $29,149. The IX model coast $31,399 and, MR models go for $36,299 now you tell me does a boxy 4banger really worth that much.

There's no way in the world you could come to that conclusion if you had any real experience with cars. From Lexus to Kia, anything and everything in between, you think they all have the potential to last as long as the other with just general maintenance.

If you have bothered to read my post were i said Quote: Just about any properly maintained engine will hold up just as long as any other engine would. Note that i said "just about any" and i did not say all. Then in another post i also said as long as its not a new prototype deal it will last just as long as any other car would. By prototype i mean something new such as Kia.

How about all the guys running 12's and under? If you add up all they've spent, it won't be even near 20k...try getting a V6 and running 12's with that much money?

Seems like you never been to a track. There are plenty of V6 Stangs and, 300zx's running 12's for half 20k. As a matter of fact when i had my 92 300zx i was running high 12's with only little less than 4grand in bolt-on's.

Also what does this have to do anything with my original post in which i simple said Quote: No you cant get v8 power from a 4g63 engine. Your not comparing apples and, apples here if you modify a v8 like you would modify a 4g63 engine you will not get the same power. 4cylinder / v8 eater........... its like saying ill kill u with a butter knife when u got a 9mm.

WTF What does this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ have to do with running 12's and, spending 20k on V6's.

The VQ engine's got a good amount of aftermarket support...BUT having said that, give me the money that you'd spend on a 350Z with mods and I'll build a DSM that would just eat the Z alive.

I bet you could build a dsm that would eat Z alive but, we're not talking about DSM's we're talking about EVO's that coast just about the same as the Z's.


Sorry LEET but since the New Eclipse Ralliart Concept uses the same drive-train as the EVO's i thought we're still on topic.

 

[leet]

Fair enough.

 

[GPTourer]

Also what does this have to do anything with my original post in which i simple said Quote: No you cant get v8 power from a 4g63 engine. Your not comparing apples and, apples here if you modify a v8 like you would modify a 4g63 engine you will not get the same power. 4cylinder / v8 eater........... its like saying ill kill u with a butter knife when u got a 9mm.

Your butter knife/9mm analogy is weak, does not make any sense at all. You say you can't get V8 power out of an 4G63, when there are 4.6L V8 Mustangs running with 260hp stock along side of 273+hp Evos? So there goes your whole *point* such as it is.

Again, I don't give a damn about apples and oranges. If I went to the dragstrip, lined up against a V8 car, I'm not about to jump out and say, "Hold up! Wait! We have to compare receipts to make sure I haven't spent more on my car then you so this will be fair!"

C5 Vettes and, some Porsche 911s run high 13's bone stock. I'm not real sure about the 1/4 mile on the M3's but i do know it goes 0 to 60mph in 4.8 seconds similar to the EVO's. Then again m3's really are not made for speed (lame excuse). M3's are more luxury cars than anything else. Yet there is noting lugsury about the evo's as the evo RS model's dont have power windows/ locks/ABS or even blah blah blah blah...

What is this? You just proved my point. Those higher dollar cars run similar numbers stock to Evos, actually they are slower. I know how much Evos cost, and I know what kind of equipment they have - and we are talking performance, no one cares wether you think any of the cars are worth it. Are you going to ever make a point, or is that butter knife BS all you got?

 

[bigblock]

what do you think?
carbon fiber rims?
hks turbo
400 whp!!!
6 speed awd w/400whp !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sonofsilk]

Are you referring to the ralliart one at sema?

 

[tstkl]

yea he is, since thats the only one, there have been numerious threads started about this car, i even started one, i dont think the rims are carbon fiber, but just about everything else on that car is...

 

[grans0o]

That car is sick!

 

[DSM BEEYACH]

You say you can't get V8 power out of an 4G63, when there are 4.6L V8 Mustangs running with 260hp stock along side of 273+hp Evos? So there goes your whole *point* such as it is.

And your point is what? there are also V8's 4.6L in the 05 mustangs making 300hp stock.Also lets not forget 4.6L making 260hp and, thats all engine no turbo. You pull the turbo of the EVO and, see how much HP the little 2.0L makes. Add the same turbo to that 4.6L and, see what HP it makes. If you think that you could make more power on a 2.0L than on a 4.6L or even a 2.4L your sadly mistaken my friend.

Again, I don't give a damn about apples and oranges. If I went to the dragstrip, lined up against a V8 car, I'm not about to jump out and say, "Hold up! Wait! We have to compare receipts to make sure I haven't spent more on my car then you so this will be fair!"

What the F are you talking about? who said anything about that. I simply said you cant get V8 power from a 4g63 engine that simple. You can make a 4g63 powered car put down similar time slips but, you will never get the same power. Theres only so much you could squeeze out of a 2.0L 4banger.

What is this? You just proved my point. Those higher dollar cars run similar numbers stock to Evos, actually they are slower. I know how much Evos cost, and I know what kind of equipment they have - and we are talking performance, no one cares wether you think any of the cars are worth it.

What point would that be? So far the only thing thats slower out of the cars you mentioned was the M3 even though its not really made for speed but, mostly comfort and, luxury. The stock C5's run high to mid 13's and the evo doesn't. So it comes down to this Paying a little less now for a car that's just a bit faster with less potential in the end. Or paying a bit more now and, having more potential in the end. All in all you get what you pay for. If you think the 4g63 is limitless and, nothing can touch the EVO your sadly mistaken my friend. Look at the WRX STI's 2.5L 300hp engine with all wheel drive fully loaded running $32,995. Having 2.5L engine giving it more Hp potential than an EVO with it's 2.0L engine yet costing 3grand less.

 

[blackGSX2g]

I thought that car was built by HKS?