Return of the Eclipse GSX?

[2fast2furious]

Well Ill be damned. That car is hot compared to the new Eclipse. Although I don't think they'll do a 4g63 in anything anymore because of the outdated motor design. But it they would be willing to make a turbo, mivec v6, awd Eclipse, I'd gladly trade in.

 

[GPTourer]

Although I don't think they'll do a 4g63 in anything anymore because of the outdated motor design.

Good point. This is supposedly the 4G63's last year in the Evo. Then it is World Engine's for everything. However, if the 4G69 Mivec can/will exist, I wonder if Mivec will help the 4G63 stay around longer too. I don't know if we will get the Evo X next year like Japan does, or a year or two later like we normally have to wait.

Still, they could probably modifiy the engine bay to accept the new engine and still do the car.

 

[gixrman]

Still wondering why there sticking with the 2.0L displacement when the STI is 2.5.........and also the fact theat half of the FMIC is covered up by the bumper. Or that would kill the EVO market if it was released. My moneys still on the 07 Skyline GT-R.

 

[90blacktsiawd]

Still wondering why there sticking with the 2.0L displacement when the STI is 2.5.........and also the fact theat half of the FMIC is covered up by the bumper. Or that would kill the EVO market if it was released. My moneys still on the 07 Skyline GT-R.

Actually if im not mistakin this is the only country that gets the 2.5 in the STI. Other countries get a forged 2.0l.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

Also dont forget that in WRC you are not allowed to have an engine bigger than 2,000cc, like the person above me stated the Impreza in the USA is the ONLY country to get the ej25 across the whole line up and not the ej20

Still wondering why there sticking with the 2.0L displacement when the STI is 2.5.........and also the fact theat half of the FMIC is covered up by the bumper. Or that would kill the EVO market if it was released. My moneys still on the 07 Skyline GT-R.

 

[Quasimondo]

Of course they did. They're paid to like them.
Magazines don't know shit, although they're happy to print it.

Aw, c'mon. It's not like I quoted from Car & Driver where any car is a good car as long as it's a BMW.

 

[Initial DSM]

The weight is more an issue of affecting handling, not straight line speed. People on this forum tend to forget about that often... On tuners, the word "track" seems to only represent a 1/4 mile, not a road course like it should be.

Actually, when they test drove the Ralliart Gallant concept on the track last year, it had impressive handling results. And I say that here only because of course as we know, it's the same Endeavor platform as the new Eclipse. Now since the Ralliart Eclipse is even lower to the ground than the Gallant, the performance and handling should only improve.

 

[GPTourer]

Road Race Engineering helped to develop the Ralliart Galant and Eclipse, maybe the Endeavor too. They have built a Eclipse GT (V6, FWD) to U.S. touring car specs. I don't know if it is actually going to comptete yet, but it looks good. The platform has proven itself.

 

[gixrman]

Also dont forget that in WRC you are not allowed to have an engine bigger than 2,000cc, like the person above me stated the Impreza in the USA is the ONLY country to get the ej25 across the whole line up and not the ej20

Thats fine, so give us a 2.4L EVO. No replacement for displacement.

 

[EvolvingGST]

Thats fine, so give us a 2.4L EVO. No replacement for displacement.

You need to get out of this forum.... 2.0 doesnt make a car slow... people who can't tune make a car slow... There are plenty of 2.0l DSMs that run low numbers.

And the US STi is a disgrace, its a mutt american piece of crap. WRC regulations does not allow any cars to be more than 2000ccs on addition the car must have atleast 2500 in production. So thus if the STi was really 2.5 accross the world it would not be in the WRC same as the EVO.

What makes the EVO and the STi what is so special is that they are WRC champions. I would take a forged 2.0 engine over that POS STi EJ25 that can't handle its boost.

 

[Daem0n]

I would take a forged 2.0 engine over that POS STi EJ25 that can't handle its boost.

And I would opt for more torque at a lower rpm because daily life is not a damn rally race.

 

[gixrman]

You need to get out of this forum.... 2.0 doesnt make a car slow... people who can't tune make a car slow... There are plenty of 2.0l DSMs that run low numbers.

And the US STi is a disgrace, its a mutt american piece of crap. WRC regulations does not allow any cars to be more than 2000ccs on addition the car must have atleast 2500 in production. So thus if the STi was really 2.5 accross the world it would not be in the WRC same as the EVO.

What makes the EVO and the STi what is so special is that they are WRC champions. I would take a forged 2.0 engine over that POS STi EJ25 that can't handle its boost.

Never said it was, never said the STI was a wonder mobile. Plenty of DSM, EVO shops are tunning 2.0 and 2.4L motors to astonomical #'s and there not going to the 2.3 and 2.4's just to be different. Its just my opinon.

 

[GPTourer]

I like the idea that we have the same engine that the rest of the world has, but I would also like the idea of a 2.4L Evo to go head to head with the STi so people who don't understand that bigger isn't always better, and we could see what Mitsu could do with their own technology.

Maybe Mitsubishi feels they don't need to reengineer the Evo for us and MIVEC can do the trick without more displacement. Back in late 2002, when no one knew what either car do, everyone was so sure the STi would annihilate the Evo because of its 2.5L and 300hp, both stock and tuned.

Look how things turned out.

 

[shpyder]

I don't know guys... the 4g63 has been milked for what it's worth as far as mass-production goes. Mitsu is running out of tricks, the MIVEC being the latest one. You cant keep slapping on a bigger turbo. I personally would like to see a 4g64 2.4 L with a DOHC head, and a bigger turbo on there. Though turbocharging IS replacement for displacement, the extra 400cc's would sure help if mitu suped up its 4g64. just my 2 cents...

 

[GPTourer]

It is the last trick. that's why the '63 and '64 are going away. The new world engine debuts in the next Evo with MIVEC and an aluminum block, maybe direct injection - but it will still be 2.0L. It is rumored to have more then 300hp.

 

[leet]

Um.. topic, people.

Get the Hell back on it

 

[Thomas91169]

man that looks beautiful.

i knew with a little tlc a 4g eclipse can be just as sexeh as a 1g or 2g

and 4g63 turbo awd just makes it that much sweeter.

#### the 400hp tuned version though, ill be happy with just whatever the evo's do stock(276ish), and you can keep your 10k+ extra pricetag for an intake and boost controller and "tune", ill do that all myself for half the price. maybe mitsu will use a 95 eprom ecu too, that would make it extra special, that way i wouldnt have to do a massive hack job to stick one in, instead of going straight stand alone and hours of dyno sessions.

too bad mitsu is too stupid to realize its one of their best ideas since, well, since making them in the first place back in '90.

 

[shpyder]

too bad mitsu is too stupid to realize its one of their best ideas since, well, since making them in the first place back in '90.

It has little more to do with stupidity, than it does with politics, bureaucracy and profit.

 

[2fast2furious]

I wouldn't expect Mitsu to make a 4g63 AWD 4G because the avg American market consumer pretty much believes bigger is better. And would opt for the v6 over a 4 cyl turbo. Not that this car couldn't cater to the enthusiast in limited #s, it just wouldn't be profitable. Now I suppose if enthusiast cried for it, and the demand was there, Mitsu would build it. Although a v6 over the 4 cyl. Of course it would take a lot to do it as I think Mitsu is in a retroactive state. If the WRX hadn't come we'd only be driving Evo's in GT4. I'm not gonna say Mitsu is stupid, but I don't think the bean counters are on are side. When it comes to putting something in to production they are usually the make it or break it guys before it's approved.

 

[bzzzt]

Does anyone have any actual pics of the rear suspension/drivetrain? I just got back from SEMA, the car looked awesome but i didnt even know what motor it had in it at the time because it was on display with the hood closed . I saw the FMIC and thought "turbo! awesome!" and poked my head under to see if it was AWD, and i could swear i remember being dissapointed in it only being FWD, along with the Turbo V6 that was there. Now i'm 100% willing to accept the fact that i must be confused and maybe thought i poked my head under the ralliart one and didnt, i was kinda all over the place at that show, there was so much to look at, and i pretty much spent the week in a drunken haze. But yeah if anyone has any actual pics of the rearend i wouldnt mind seeing it, just to clarify for sure that i am in fact going crazy.

 

[BISHILVR]

Thats fine, so give us a 2.4L EVO. No replacement for displacement.

You guys are sadly mistaken if you think that "sticking a bigger turbo on the 2.0 every year" has seen its day. A turbo actually increases the efficiancy of an engine, allowing it to make more power from a smaller displacement. Increased efficiancy also means decreased emissions, and smaller engines also mean better fuel economy and less emissions. Look around, the government is killing these car companys to force them to get better fuel economy and lower emissions. By your reasoning the modern sport bike engine should have been replaced by a v-6 or v-8 years ago since they are "old ideas that have been milked for all they are worth" Tell that to the harley guys that are getting smoked by a 600cc sport bike. If anything the 2.0 has not yet seen its day the way it will in the future. Small displacement is the FUTURE not the past.

 

[diddy456]

That thing is nice as hell. We should right a letter for them to make it.
Makes the eclipse look good again actually.

 

[GPTourer]

Our car show is going on this weekend. Mitsubishi provides us with a couple of spokesmodels each year to help us work the display. They arm them with sample questions that people might ask so they can be ready with "the answer." One concerning the new Eclipse is "Why is there no AWD model?" Of course the answer is to effect of: "Market penetration for the 2nd generation model's AWD version was only 3% of total production, so we could not make a business case for a new one."

I think if Mitsu was back in profitability and on the road to a quick recovery (which they are, but not quite that far along yet), building a small 5000 car run of this vehicle would be no problem. We can speculate how easy/hard this would be, but comparing it to a $23K GSX from the early 90's is silly. It will easily be a $30K+ car.

 

[TierNose]

I think Mitsu came up with the concept amid speculation that Toyota was coming out with a new Supra and well, they had nothing to compete against it aside from the Evo. At the same time, Toyota is probably aiming the new Supra right at the 350z and G35. As a result, it'll probably be in the $30k price range. I think Mitsu wants to get into the game, and through using the Eclipse as a platform, is making a sports car to compete with both of those as the early 90s are repeating themselves (high end Japanese coupes are popular again).

 

[Deanob]

Needs a better ass end though the front is very nice!