Remote start install help

[jakelandry]

Noone in town will install a remote start on a manual. Can anyone help me better understand some things.... Such as where i can get a relay and how to wire one up etc. Basically if i have a problem with anything specific, is there anyone here who can give me answers. Any help at all is greatly appreciated. Im just trying to get everything figured out before i go screw something up. Sorry if this all seems rushed, i am at work and im not supposed to be on a comp. When i get home ill better communicate if anyone is willing to explain a few things. Thanks a ton.

 

[Gamble97]

Don't do it, not a good idea. I have one and disconnected it. A local almost got run over (he did get hit) as he was getting his son out of the car and someone's manual car started to walk itself into him.

 

[Bud92gsx]

Like stated above many people have been harmed by a remote start on a 5spd..Going through garages, houses, the car taking off till it hits something that stops it...

But I have also heard if you always park your car in neutral with the ebrake on..You will be just fine..But that's probly not a true fact either..I have no experiance with remote starts, but from what I learned at school, the general rule is no 5spd's...

Just what happens when you do FORGET to park in neutral, you might have a runaway car...Ha ha, not funny in all reality..
Remote starts are made for automatics, but I'm sure there are some ballzy dsmer's out there...

 

[jakelandry]

Like stated above many people have been harmed by a remote start on a 5spd..Going through garages, houses, the car taking off till it hits something that stops it...

But I have also heard if you always park your car in neutral with the ebrake on..You will be just fine..But that's probly not a true fact either..I have no experiance with remote starts, but from what I learned at school, the general rule is no 5spd's...

Just what happens when you do FORGET to park in neutral, you might have a runaway car...Ha ha, not funny in all reality..
Remote starts are made for automatics, but I'm sure there are some ballzy dsmer's out there...

I understand guys. And i do agree with you that it is a bad idea, but the way i look at it is, i have driven a standard since i was 11, i learned to drive in a standard, and i doubt ill own an automatic anytime soon and i have never parked in gear. Provided the car is in neutral it is physically impossible for the car to move. I do understand your reasoning completely, but i still would like to install it if anyone is willing to help. I will ensure the car is in neutral when parked just as i always have, i just need someones giudence. Im good with electronics, just never used relays before, and the reason im installing the system isnt even for the remote start feature, i am shaving my door handles off before i get it painted and i just preferred to run my whole car off of a viper system rather than a generic ebay door popper system. If anyone is willing to help i would be greatly appreciative.

 

[Gamble97]

I never park my car in gear either, big deal. I grabbed my backpack out of my passenger seat and it knocked the car in gear w/o me knowing it. I started it with the remote and there she went. I had no idea, good thing I was watching it out the window and nobody was parked in front of me. Boy did she go for a nice little stroll. It has been disconnected ever since.
So yah shit happens.
Shaving your door handles is a great idea, so then when you car starts to walk you can't just get into it and stop it, you have to play with the key fob and wait for the door to open and that might hit shit. Then you will be like ####, I should have listened to gamble.
Not like it gets super cold where you live anyway. Even up here in the windy city it's not needed that bad.

 

[Silent_White]

i can answer your questions regarding this, but there are remote starters designed for MTX cars... you have to leave it in gear and the car stays running till the door shuts, then shuts itself off. if you open the door again prior to remote starting it wont work. Ive installed around a hundred or so of those things and i used to do em on manual transmissions. I ran my car into a tree. my girlfriend ran hers into a tree. my friend ran his into an apartment complex. and i hopped a curb and ran into an apartment complex. i only did it twice in 3 years, but that was two times too many.

If you decide to move forward with remote start, you should strongly consider getting one made for a manual tranny...

 

[jakelandry]

I never park my car in gear either, big deal. I grabbed my backpack out of my passenger seat and it knocked the car in gear w/o me knowing it. I started it with the remote and there she went. I had no idea, good thing I was watching it out the window and nobody was parked in front of me. Boy did she go for a nice little stroll. It has been disconnected ever since.
So yah shit happens.
Shaving your door handles is a great idea, so then when you car starts to walk you can't just get into it and stop it, you have to play with the key fob and wait for the door to open and that might hit shit. Then you will be like ####, I should have listened to gamble.
Not like it gets super cold where you live anyway. Even up here in the windy city it's not needed that bad.

Your right dude.

Oh, with all sarcasm aside, i forgot to mention that the viper 5101 has a feature for manual transmissions. It wont engage the starter if its in gear. Anyone willing to help?

 

[fastbike02]

I have done a few and never heard of anyone having problems. I just use a relay to bypass the clutch switch, you can find more information on the12volt forum... Just remember it can happen I always suggest you make sure the ebrake is in good working order

 

[Silent_White]

1995-96 Mitsubishi Eclipse Alarm, Remote Starter, Keyless Entry Wiring Information
Constant 12V+ White Ignition Switch Harness
Starter Black/Red Ignition Switch Harness
Ignition Black/White Ignition Switch Harness
Ignition 2 Blue Ignition Switch Harness
Accessory Blue/Black Ignition Switch Harness
Tach Black/Blue Or Blue/Black Coil Pack (2 Cylinder Setting)
Neutral Safety Wire Black/White (-) PCM behind Center Console
Brake Switch Green Brake Switch
Trunk Pin Red/Green Silver Driver's Kick Panel
Parking Lights Green/White (+) Driver's Kick Panel or Fuse Panel
Head Lamp Red (-) Light Switch
Factory Disarm Green/White (-) Driver's Kick Panel
Door Trigger Red/Green (-) Courtesy Light or Driver's Kick Panel
Door Lock Brown/White (-) Behind Fuse Panel or 20 Pin Connector High Driver's Kick Panel
Door Unlock Brown (-)
Driver's Lock Blue/Black Driver's Kick Panel
Driver's Unlock Blue/Red Driver's Kick Panel
Passenger Unlock Blue/Red Passenger's Kick Panel
Horn Wire Green/Red (-) Steering Column
Windows Up LF=Green/Red, RF=Brown/Yellow
Windows Down LF=Green/Black, RF=Green/Yellow

the clutch will need to be bypassed using a 30/40amp 12v SPDP relay (standard 5 pole automotive relay)
tap the two wires going to the clutch pedal switch, wire one to 30 on the relay and the other to 87. wire a fused constant +12v to 85. there should be an output on the remote start that is grounded during remote start, this wire should go to 86. this will tell the car that the clutch is pushed in during remote start...

 

[LiquidX]

Make sure that your system will kill itself or not start if the ebrake is disengaged.

 

[Silent_White]

Make sure that your system will kill itself or not start if the ebrake is disengaged.

one more relay..
run the "ground when remote starting" wire through another relay..

cut the "ground when remote starting" that is going to the above clutch relay and attach one end to 87 on the 2nd relay and the other to 30 on the 2nd relay. then attach a constant 12v+ to 85 and the ebrake wire to 86.

so basically the ground when remote starting wire will leave the remote start module, attach to 30 on the 2nd relay, then attach 87 on the 2nd relay to 86 on the first relay.

I'll post a diagram in a minute cause it sounds confusing, but this will prevent the clutch relay from activating if the ebrake is off.

or if your alarm has a "neutral safety (-)" wire, just attach that to the ebrake and forget the 2nd relay.

 

[jakelandry]

one more relay..
run the "ground when remote starting" wire through another relay..

cut the "ground when remote starting" that is going to the above clutch relay and attach one end to 87 on the 2nd relay and the other to 30 on the 2nd relay. then attach a constant 12v+ to 85 and the ebrake wire to 86.

so basically the ground when remote starting wire will leave the remote start module, attach to 30 on the 2nd relay, then attach 87 on the 2nd relay to 86 on the first relay.

I'll post a diagram in a minute cause it sounds confusing, but this will prevent the clutch relay from activating if the ebrake is off.

or if your alarm has a "neutral safety (-)" wire, just attach that to the ebrake and forget the 2nd relay.

Than k you for being so helpful, though it does seem a little jibborishey... I will install everythign that is self explanatory tom then i will come here with questions on specifics. Im going by the wiring diagram that a guy posted on here cause the 12 volt isnt as reliable as a fellow dsmer.

 

[Silent_White]

if you need help with specifics, ill draw you a diagram.. id do it now but i just got done installing 3g lifters and now im going to be busy wiring my FIC easy tune

FYI, I have an early 95 and when i did the stereo on mine, i actually had to use the colors off of the wiring diagram for the 94... I haven't done a remote start/alarm on mine TSI yet though..

 

[jakelandry]

if you need help with specifics, ill draw you a diagram.. id do it now but i just got done installing 3g lifters and now im going to be busy wiring my FIC easy tune

FYI, I have an early 95 and when i did the stereo on mine, i actually had to use the colors off of the wiring diagram for the 94... I haven't done a remote start/alarm on mine TSI yet though..

Well ive done plenty of radios, i install them for my friends all the time, i just ran acrossa few things i know ill need help with. Im about to go start on it and ill come back with questions. Thanks for offering help though.

Ok after looking over this damn thing it needs at least 8 relays. trunk, domelight, factory alarm disarm output, factory alarm arm output, 2 of the aux. i will be using to drive door solenoids, ignition 2input , ignition 2/flex relay output. This is getting very discouraging very fast, and noone else in town will do it. http://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/IG/Viper/N4102V_2008_09_web.pdf tht is the link to the install manual. if anyone can read through just the wiring section and offer some help i would greatly appreciate it. this thing is stressing me out so bad. youll also probably have to right click on the link and hit save target as for it to work.. sorry.

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

I HAVE MADE THE CURRENT BEST WIRING DIAGRAM for alarm/TT installs, A LOT and i mean A LOT if not ALL the diagrams out there that installers go by are inacurate. or wrong. I've seen plenty mix colors for the IGN1/2 and ACC wires, and these are from REPUTABLE sites..

I had this up in the tech section for a while.. do people not look..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...start-turbo-timer-install-wiring-diagram.html

and tuners has been honored to be the only place it has been posted on..

 

[jakelandry]

I HAVE MADE THE CURRENT BEST WIRING DIAGRAM for alarm/TT installs, A LOT and i mean A LOT if not ALL the diagrams out there that installers go by are inacurate. or wrong. I've seen plenty mix colors for the IGN1/2 and ACC wires, and these are from REPUTABLE sites..

I had this up in the tech section for a while.. do people not look..

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...start-turbo-timer-install-wiring-diagram.html

and tuners has been honored to be the only place it has been posted on..

That is the giude im installing by, thanks for that info btw. Theres just things like relays and whatnot that have been giving me trouble, along with finding a place to mount the box. i think i may have found a dude who can do it, and if he cant then ill come back. Thanks for all the help so far!

 

[streetlegends]

Okay here's a little info for you bro. I have a viper 5901 which has it all and also in the owners manual it talks about remote start in for manual trannies. A safety feature is that the ebrake has to be engaged before the remote start enages. I don't know about any other brand just viper because I have one. So before you install it yourself trying buying a new at a local dealer and read up on it before you do it. Safety first!!!!!!

 

[jakelandry]

Okay here's a little info for you bro. I have a viper 5901 which has it all and also in the owners manual it talks about remote start in for manual trannies. A safety feature is that the ebrake has to be engaged before the remote start enages. I don't know about any other brand just viper because I have one. So before you install it yourself trying buying a new at a local dealer and read up on it before you do it. Safety first!!!!!!

Yea i was reading in my manual and it says try to start it in gear and ensure it shuts off before you finish the install, so im assuming it wont start in gear..

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

as far as the relays, that is tough, you would really need to get the diagram for the alarm itself and what relays it requires. without that you will need to consult alarm gurus.

 

[jakelandry]

Ok well the one guy who was ganna do it backed out, is there anyone that will help me wire by wire? I mean i can do common things, im just starting to get really stressed over all of this cause my car has been in peices for a while and im beginning to think ill never get it installed... one dude quoted me at 320 bucks to do it today.

 

[RedTurboEclipse]

with the lack of resources, your best bet is someone capable of helping you LIVE AND IN PERSON..

try the12volt.com

 

[jakelandry]

with the lack of resources, your best bet is someone capable of helping you LIVE AND IN PERSON..

try the12volt.com

I have all the info i need, just someone to tell me what is useless and some things that i dont understand... ill post them when i run into them.

 

[jakelandry]

Well just in case anyone searching is looking for any final results or anything, i have it installed, and i have used it a ton. The heat index here in louisiana gets up to 110 on a normal summer day not adding the factor of humidity being 98 percent everyday. But anyway you can get a viper system that has standard support like i did, however my installer just installed mine as an auto so it will crank in gear. The good news is if you keep your e brake tight the starter is not powerful enough to drag the car when in gear ( at least on a 420a). I personally tried cranking it in gear several ways with someone in the car to shut it off and the car will not crank if the back wheels are locked, the starter will try then just fail, not saying thats a good thing or anything but its a hell of a lot better than driving off. So if anyone is worried about getting a remote start setup and feels they would benefeit from one, as long as the ebrake is locked its worth it. Just remember to keep your ebrake up to par and tight