Rear camber kit?

[blitzedeclipse]

I am in the process of parting toghter a pretty sweet suapension. But my question is, will i need a front camber kit, because i have been looking through people's gallerys and i see rear camber kit only and lots of threads that say rear only.

Thanx for your help guyz

p.s. i am buying my stuff today so the help is awsome

 

[jim97gst]

What are you going to do with the car?

 

[blitzedeclipse]

Get some suspension

 

[jim97gst]

Is it strictly a street car? Are you going to drag race? Are you going to autocross? Do you mind wearing out the inside edge of the tire more quickly that the outside, or do you want to try and get the most number of miles possible out of your tires?

 

[blitzedeclipse]

I want to get normal wear on tires and i do not dragrace and autox every once and a whie.

Street Only

 

[jim97gst]

Then I would say install your suspension, get an alignment to get the toe set and your camber measured. If you're pretty far out of spec, then get the camber kit. I have -1.8 degrees of front negative camber which is a full 1 deg out of spec. My inside edge wore more quickly, but nothing ridiculous. I'm willing to make the compromise for autocross. Some guys consider -2.5 to -3 acceptable for the street.

 

[Krmnnghia]

yup just drop it and get a proper allignment to adjust the toe which is now out of spec. Toe kills tires...not camber!

 

[blitzedeclipse]

Thanx guyz, but i am going to buy a camber kit. I would rather spend the money now and do it right then have to buy tires later.

Thanx again

 

[Krmnnghia]

Originally posted by blitzedeclipse
Thanx guyz, but i am going to buy a camber kit. I would rather spend the money now and do it right then have to buy tires later.

Thanx again

So your buying the camber kit for the looks and handling? Cause if your buying it for tire wear then you may just be wasting your money. But hey your call!

 

[blitzedeclipse]

Originally posted by Krmnnghia
So your buying the camber kit for the looks and handling? Cause if your buying it for tire wear then you may just be wasting your money. But hey your call!

Ok here we go...... i am going to school to be an auto body tech, one of my required classes is alignment, suspension and brakes. You would not belive the amount of little ricers who come in there sating that there tires are wearint because something is "BENT".

I would rather do it right the first time than go back and do it again.

 

[ACM]

Front Camber:
Short of removing the springs and bumpstops you cannot have too much -ve camber in the front of a 2G. Anything under -3* is fine as far as tyre wear is concerned, just make sure your toe is correct (i.e no more than 1/32" out).

Rear Camber:
It needs fixing no matter what ride height, from a handling perspective. Stock there is considerably more -ve in the rear than in the front - that needs reversing, less -ve in the rear than the front. The rear also gains more -ve camber faster than the front, which pushes the car into understeer at the limit, rather than loose.

The best solution is offset bushings front and rear, rotated in opposite directions, shortening the effective length in the front and increasing the effective length in the rear.

The practical solution is GM alignment shims and longer bolts in the rear, setting the rear -ve camber about .5 - .75 less than whatever the front ends up at.

Set the rear toe at zero, set the front toe to a hair out, just past zero.


Charles

 

[Krmnnghia]

Originally posted by blitzedeclipse
Ok here we go...... i am going to school to be an auto body tech, one of my required classes is alignment, suspension and brakes. You would not belive the amount of little ricers who come in there sating that there tires are wearint because something is "BENT".

I would rather do it right the first time than go back and do it again.

Yah I have taken that class too...good class! Where do you get the idea that camber kills your tires? My technician, who is a designer/builder for Airlift suspensions here in Lansing, MI has dropped sooo many cars. Camber kits are not even on the list of needs...First thing....ALIGNMENT! Whether he is bagging his Focus, his S10 or his latest project a Lincoln towncar a camber kit is never needed. Even when just drop springs and shocks are used.

Have fun buddy!

 

[blitzedeclipse]

i am not gunna fight and bi*** about this..... sorry you are right

 

[Krmnnghia]

Originally posted by blitzedeclipse
i am not gunna fight and bi*** about this..... sorry you are right

YES! I won One! j/k...just trying to figure out your reasoning

 

[jim97gst]

Everybody seems to have a very extreme view on this subject. I think it's a gray area that depends on individual needs. I did a rough measurement on my tread. The tires that were on the front that were running almost -2 deg camber I could just barely cover Lincoln's head on the outside tread. On the inside I am completely bald. So just based on the outside I need new tires. But as I got close to completely wore, I have a half bald tire. Not so good in the rain, right? Any more negative camber, and I would have to get rid of the tire before its time. It's all about compromises. For me, it's worth what I consider minor negatives for optimal handling. But everybody has different priorities.

 

[MNGSX]

1. What was your front toe measurement?

2. Bueller!!! umm like tire rotation anyone?

 

[jim97gst]

1. 0

2. Yes, but I should have done it more often.

So ya, I'll say you could go close to -3, be religious about rotations, and not throw away tires early. But I'll still say you'll sacrafice some wet grip towards the end of your tires life.

 

[MNGSX]

0 toe is actually worse than 1/32"

Just a teeny bit is what you need.

Steering linkages have endplay and you need a little teeny bit of toe to tension the linkages.

If you primarly drive in a straight line commuting on a hwy etc... run stock camber specs...

If you only drive that car for fun run some negative camber. You will actually get better tire wear provided the car corners alot than driving a stock camber spec car the same way..

 

[jim97gst]

Good information. Next time I get an alignment I'll get a little toe out.

I do drive primarily on the highway. I only autocross about once a month. I'm going to leave it how it is. Like I said, by the time I was bald on the inside, the outside tread said I needed new tires anyway.