Re-Dyno'd the eclipse! 740AWHP/696Tq!

[twicks69]

I pulled the following:
*HVAC system
*Vent system
*Cruise control
*Rear speakers
*Rear seatbelts and Passenger factory seat belt
*Wiper reservoir
*Removed all acoustical dampening

I am still running everything to keep it streetable.
*Exhaust (short route -- downpipe with muffler and turn-down)
*Stereo
*Power windows
*ABS
*Power Steering
*Wipers
*Full Leather Interior (minus rear seat backs -- they interfere with the cage)
*Carpet
*All airbags are still intact (not hooked up)
*Stock steering wheel
*Stock center console
*Crash beams
*All panels
*All glass.
*Etc.

This was specifically done because ANYONE can build a RACE CAR. I wanted to build a STREET CAR that can beat RACE cars.

Yeah, I can gut the heck out of the car and go faster; so what. No one wants to buy a race car; they want to own a STREET car that can do what I am doing. And I don't want to run around in some rattle box without an interior.

As well, I have had my issues with driveline failures over the years, and have already hand grenaded 12 transmissions (I am on #13 currently), and MANY other parts throughout the years.

Can I go faster with less weight? Yes

Can I reduce driveline failure? Yes

Should I have gone with a Dogbox from the beginning? Yes--except I don't know many people that can afford to put down the $$$$ required for the entire setup to run with the big dogs -- trans, transfer case, CF driveshaft, rear end, diffs, axles, etc. ~$15,000 to do. Granted, I have already broken around $40K in transmissions throughout the years, and it would have been the better way to go; but STILL; even race parts break.

Why didn't I go 6-bolt? Because each person has to be different, and I put a hell of alot of research into my build before starting it, and have made my changes along the way to make the most reliable 9-second street car I could with the best parts I could afford. I have proven my combination, through continuous effort to make it better through tuning and trial/error. I have had no major issues with my engine in 3-years of massive boost, street and track passes, etc.

Tuning is key; take advantage of a dyno and prove it at the track.


You all must understand that each person has their own agendas for their cars. I am in NO competition with anyone on this board, nor with others out there. I am doing this for myself, plain and simple. My goal is to continue bettering myself, continue going faster, and continue to help every person to the best of my abilities.

As well, my backround is in Environmental Geology and Chemistry, and I am an Environmental Geologist by profession. I do mechanics for fun. I also work a crapload of hours (well over 3000 hours last fiscal year), and have other responsibilities in life.

 

[turbizzle]

First of all DAMN!! thats one incredable set of numbers. Defiently get to work on those vids, should be pretty cool. oh and an idea, that whole spinning in third thing, maybe a vid of some nice awd drifts and burnouts. After reading your replys it sounds like you really know your stuff, its good to see a write up done right.

 

[Nelsons91AWD]

I've seen you race in real life...

Kodus to you man!!! that Environmental Geologist job must help this habit/goals bigtime!!!

Congrats

 

[twicks69]

Thank you to everyone for the kind comments and constructive criticism!

I will be videotaping the dyno-tuning done on this upcoming Sunday (Beyond Redline Dyno Day), and will post up the new numbers on the new setup.

Thankfully, my job pays me well for what I do. Thankfully, I also have a supportive group of friends, family and my fiance. Racing is not a cheap hobby; but it sure is a heck of alot more fun than blowing all that hard-earned money on something else (drugs, gambling, hookers, etc.)

 

[ortorc]

Racing is not a cheap hobby; but it sure is a heck of alot more fun than blowing all that hard-earned money on something else (drugs, gambling, hookers, etc.)

Well said. I'm sure the career you picked helps out a ton....Military won't even give me the money to turbo let alone what you do! It's awesome to see these numbers. Can't wait to see some videos of your car.

 

[91tizzy]

love the car....money well spent

only thing I would do differently is run a upper timing belt cover

 

[twicks69]

love the car....money well spent

only thing I would do differently is run a upper timing belt cover

I am using the clear upper timing belt cover because it is easy to see where my cam gears are at, and it allows a little more protection than having no cover at all.

Thanks!

 

[Black_Bullet]

I pulled the following:
*HVAC system
*Vent system
*Cruise control
*Rear speakers
*Rear seatbelts and Passenger factory seat belt
*Wiper reservoir
*Removed all acoustical dampening

I am still running everything to keep it streetable.
*Exhaust (short route -- downpipe with muffler and turn-down)
*Stereo
*Power windows
*ABS
*Power Steering
*Wipers
*Full Leather Interior (minus rear seat backs -- they interfere with the cage)
*Carpet
*All airbags are still intact (not hooked up)
*Stock steering wheel
*Stock center console
*Crash beams
*All panels
*All glass.
*Etc.

This was specifically done because ANYONE can build a RACE CAR. I wanted to build a STREET CAR that can beat RACE cars.

Yeah, I can gut the heck out of the car and go faster; so what. No one wants to buy a race car; they want to own a STREET car that can do what I am doing. And I don't want to run around in some rattle box without an interior.

As well, I have had my issues with driveline failures over the years, and have already hand grenaded 12 transmissions (I am on #13 currently), and MANY other parts throughout the years.

Can I go faster with less weight? Yes

Can I reduce driveline failure? Yes

Should I have gone with a Dogbox from the beginning? Yes--except I don't know many people that can afford to put down the $$$$ required for the entire setup to run with the big dogs -- trans, transfer case, CF driveshaft, rear end, diffs, axles, etc. ~$15,000 to do. Granted, I have already broken around $40K in transmissions throughout the years, and it would have been the better way to go; but STILL; even race parts break.

Why didn't I go 6-bolt? Because each person has to be different, and I put a hell of alot of research into my build before starting it, and have made my changes along the way to make the most reliable 9-second street car I could with the best parts I could afford. I have proven my combination, through continuous effort to make it better through tuning and trial/error. I have had no major issues with my engine in 3-years of massive boost, street and track passes, etc.

Tuning is key; take advantage of a dyno and prove it at the track.


You all must understand that each person has their own agendas for their cars. I am in NO competition with anyone on this board, nor with others out there. I am doing this for myself, plain and simple. My goal is to continue bettering myself, continue going faster, and continue to help every person to the best of my abilities.

As well, my backround is in Environmental Geology and Chemistry, and I am an Environmental Geologist by profession. I do mechanics for fun. I also work a crapload of hours (well over 3000 hours last fiscal year), and have other responsibilities in life.

I hear you. I wasnt trying to take anything away from your accomplishments.
Just small talk. Have you taken off the heatshields under the car, or the padding under the carpet. I think thats another 10-15 lbs total right there as i recall.
I dont know how much weight you can drop off a 2g and keep it tastefully gutted but my car has a 350lb diet and i drive it daily and it only looks gutted in the rear and engine bay. It still has all interior panels and heating system and i carpeted the rear were the seats used to be.

Anyways sounds like a good career you have there. I like science but Chemistry sucked for me in school .

 

[rrussell]

You all must understand that each person has their own agendas for their cars. I am in NO competition with anyone on this board, nor with others out there. I am doing this for myself, plain and simple. My goal is to continue bettering myself, continue going faster, and continue to help every person to the best of my abilities.

Very well said. Major Kudo's

 

[talont3t4]

Nice! Fast with Class seemed to be something the DSM community used to preach now is going away from with "tin can" setups. Nice to see someone running great times in a actual street car to me that is more of an accomplishment then with a gutted race car. Keep up the good work and keep the car clean and street able!

 

[twicks69]

Well, the weekend dynotuning has been postponed for a week -- I ended up destroying the cylinder head completely when we were on the dyno last time.

It was getting a little wavy on the sealing surface from 5 years of high boost, the bronze valve guides were totally pounded up and were heavily cracked, the valves were severely torched/pitted, and the Crower Single Valve Springs were beaten down to 49# of seat pressure -- LESS seat pressure than I am running for boost = valve float = toast.

When the head was taken off, and the lifters were removed, the cams did NOT turn freely -- they were completely bound up from the head warping in all directions. We couldn't believe the power we made on a destroyed head (~750AWHP on 42psi)!

The cams are salvagable, along with the lifters and rockers; that is all I am going to keep.

On Friday, I found a virgin 1g turbo cylinder head that we are going to use for a buildup this week, using 1mm oversize stainless valves, bronze valve guides, modified rockers, modified BLE solid lifters, HKS 288 cams, Supertech dual valve springs with titanium retainers, stock mitsu valve locks, ARP L19 11mm head studs, and a Mitsu MLS head gasket. There is likely no time to put a port job on this head, but it will be a substantial improvement over the last head.

We are hoping to have the head back on the car this week, and back on the dyno on Friday or Saturday. Either way, I have a race at GLD on 4/20/08 (Import Wars #1), so it needs to be done.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Yeah, it was nice to NOT see your car on the dyno this weekend...

At least i could see your car in the back without a head on it.

 

[twicks69]

Yeah, it was nice to NOT see your car on the dyno this weekend...

At least i could see your car in the back without a head on it.

Yeah, it sucked -- I know that Luke and alot of other people really wanted to see my car run. Its a bummer, but at least it should be back up and running pretty quickly.

All in all, the rest of the Dyno Days were fun; I think I ended up helping out with around 30 cars on the dyno between both afternoons I was up.

The most unfortunate thing was the attitude of the domestic guys that showed up. A few on Sunday had really nice domestics -- all were race cars (69 camaro, 80 Malibu, 68 Chevelle), and there was a 1980's Drag Mustang on Saturday.

The Mustang on Saturday was all "TOP-SECRET" to everyone. Before it went on the dyno, he was talking smack about every car at the shop for the dyno day, including my Eclipse, saying how all of our cars wouldn't be a race to him. I was expecting alot of power out of it when he was talking it up -- it had a 400+cube race motor, huge carb, no air cleaner, mini-tub rear on Hoosier QTP's and was setup for nitrous. So with all that smacktalk (hee is a clocks-off Real Street Drag racer), it had fantastic throttle response, and it put down a whopping 340whp!
I had to wait until he left so I could start laughing (to be polite).

The nice domestics that showed up on Sunday were all very good looking drag cars sporting huge slicks, full tubs, big blocks, gutted with cages, etc. The guys were a little better, but not much. The highest HP of the three dyno'ed was like 500WHP (80 Malibu) -- 10-second car (10.90's) -- again, they were saying that they had these badass rides and it wasn't that much really to talk about. The most they could talk about was some mustang they had that would max Luke's dyno and it had like 1400HP at the crank (ALL ESTIMATED--you all know what this gets you! = Bench Racing!!). I chuckled a little and said it would be fun to watch, and that I would put my car up against theirs for fun at the track. After I said that , I pointed to my car in the back of the shop, and they laughed -- I didn't == and then they looked around at the rest of the group of people surrounding them, realizing that I was calling out their smacktalk. They shut up then for the rest of the day.

All in all, the dyno day was fun, we had a large group of cars show up and around 40-50 cars dyno'ed between Saturday and Sunday. Alot of DSM's and GVR4's, Hondas/Acuras, Audi's, Porsches, and a few other exotics (Mitsubishi Evo 10 GSR, 2008 Subaru WRX STI, Ferrari F355, Audi RS6's, etc), along with a couple turbo diesels.

Great to see alot of DSM'ers show up and hang out at Luke's shop -- we had great turnout and great weather this weekend! We will have to do it again in the Fall!

 

[tbonitz301]

Sounds like a great time

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Yeah, it sucked -- I know that Luke and alot of other people really wanted to see my car run. Its a bummer, but at least it should be back up and running pretty quickly.

All in all, the rest of the Dyno Days were fun; I think I ended up helping out with around 30 cars on the dyno between both afternoons I was up.

The most unfortunate thing was the attitude of the domestic guys that showed up. A few on Sunday had really nice domestics -- all were race cars (69 camaro, 80 Malibu, 68 Chevelle), and there was a 1980's Drag Mustang on Saturday.

The Mustang on Saturday was all "TOP-SECRET" to everyone. Before it went on the dyno, he was talking smack about every car at the shop for the dyno day, including my Eclipse, saying how all of our cars wouldn't be a race to him. I was expecting alot of power out of it when he was talking it up -- it had a 400+cube race motor, huge carb, no air cleaner, mini-tub rear on Hoosier QTP's and was setup for nitrous. So with all that smacktalk (hee is a clocks-off Real Street Drag racer), it had fantastic throttle response, and it put down a whopping 340whp!
I had to wait until he left so I could start laughing (to be polite).

The nice domestics that showed up on Sunday were all very good looking drag cars sporting huge slicks, full tubs, big blocks, gutted with cages, etc. The guys were a little better, but not much. The highest HP of the three dyno'ed was like 500WHP (80 Malibu) -- 10-second car (10.90's) -- again, they were saying that they had these badass rides and it wasn't that much really to talk about. The most they could talk about was some mustang they had that would max Luke's dyno and it had like 1400HP at the crank (ALL ESTIMATED--you all know what this gets you! = Bench Racing!!). I chuckled a little and said it would be fun to watch, and that I would put my car up against theirs for fun at the track. After I said that , I pointed to my car in the back of the shop, and they laughed -- I didn't == and then they looked around at the rest of the group of people surrounding them, realizing that I was calling out their smacktalk. They shut up then for the rest of the day.

All in all, the dyno day was fun, we had a large group of cars show up and around 40-50 cars dyno'ed between Saturday and Sunday. Alot of DSM's and GVR4's, Hondas/Acuras, Audi's, Porsches, and a few other exotics (Mitsubishi Evo 10 GSR, 2008 Subaru WRX STI, Ferrari F355, Audi RS6's, etc), along with a couple turbo diesels.

Great to see alot of DSM'ers show up and hang out at Luke's shop -- we had great turnout and great weather this weekend! We will have to do it again in the Fall!

I was talking with Tim about the domestic guys. Kinda funny. I like to go on their forum and talk all kinds of shxt. I try to get them to come to a track that involves some turning, but they never show. Too bad your car was not running so they could see what sort of power your putting down.

My car did not do to well on the dyno. My A/F's were super rich and it had its lapping day tune. I will be going back to Beyond Redline after a dial my car in a bit more as well as fix a few boost leaks that I have discovered.

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[Boostjunki84]

Very well said. Major Kudo's

+1

It's people like you (twicks69) that make the DSM community what it is! Thanks and congrats on the numbers. 7-bolt all the way

 

[DSMcamaro]

Weather was great. It was nice to just hang out with a car crowd again. Like Andy already stated, it was too bad Tim's car was unable to go. I defiantly want to dyno my car again once I make a few changes since my car was also maxing out the rich side on the Air/Fuel meter. I may make a little video when I find time.

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[Boostjunki84]

They are not throwing that 1g in the last pic away, are they?WTF

 

[twicks69]

They are not throwing that 1g in the last pic away, are they?WTF

No, they just "moved" it...., so we had more room to move around cars quickly.

Don't worry, it is just a shell.

Even funnier is the fact that their Mitsubishi Forklift crank-walked last winter!!!

 

[DSMcamaro]

made a little video from the even if anyone is interested.

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[beyond-redline]

A big thank you to everyone who attended the event this weekend and to all the people that worked it! We did 43 cars total between Sat and Sun. No breakage too!

If anyone who attended needs their dyno sheet in digital form please let me know and I'll get it over ASAP.

On a side note: I wanted to advertise Twick's car on the dyno schedule as a 700+ WHP monster to hopefully draw some people to the event, however I was informed that the muscle car's that had signed up thought they were going to make in the same range of power.....So as to not offend them I left it off the sheet.....the biggest big block (500+ Cubic In.) made about 500whp. I hope Tim finds them on a RSD night and and can find someone to bet some good $$$ against....

Tim (Marketing and sales guy at Beyond Redline)

 

[talonTSIDriver]

A big thank you to everyone who attended the event this weekend and to all the people that worked it! We did 43 cars total between Sat and Sun. No breakage too!

If anyone who attended needs their dyno sheet in digital form please let me know and I'll get it over ASAP.

On a side note: I wanted to advertise Twick's car on the dyno schedule as a 700+ WHP monster to hopefully draw some people to the event, however I was informed that the muscle car's that had signed up thought they were going to make in the same range of power.....So as to not offend them I left it off the sheet.....the biggest big block (500+ Cubic In.) made about 500whp. I hope Tim finds them on a RSD night and and can find someone to bet some good $$$ against....

Tim (Marketing and sales guy at Beyond Redline)

I sure hope tim lets us know when he'll be attending an RSD night. I would make the trip over to watch! (maybe even invest some money in his car too )

 

[U2_slow]

All I can really say is "WOW".

 

[twicks69]

I sure hope tim lets us know when he'll be attending an RSD night. I would make the trip over to watch! (maybe even invest some money in his car too )

I was originally coming up this weekend to race RSD's at WIR, but the car ate another transmission on the dyno on Thursday evening. I am still going up there, but now to work on the car and pull the broken trans, rebuild a new trans, and reinstall the trans. Unfortunately, I am on an extreme time crunch because I only have tonight to do everything needed.

Now on transmission #14.

I will post up the new dyno numbers for higher boost levels when I get back. We have already made over 700AWHP on only 40psi peak with boost levels tapering down to 35psi. I have to find where the boost leakage is coming from as well. I am nearly making the power I had before with over 10psi less boost and only 8 degrees of timing. It is still very conservative. Pulls were in 3rd gear also without early spoolup timing retard.

Thanks to everyone for the kind words!

 

[talonTSIDriver]

So when will you bite the bullet and purchase a dogbox??