Racing Teams and Crews... who joins this goofy shit?

[turbolaserAWDrs]

Maybe it's not worth wasting time and energy on?

It's not. The fact is, you have kids(hondas and others) running around with "mufflers" and a beat stereo(just a woofer for bass, yet distorted speakrs) who when you ask them anything about cars, they will say "imports are stupid" or "modifying cars are ###" yet they're running around with an automatic car w/ just a muffler thinking that they're cool. The majority of my cars in this area are like that....I know first hand from trying to have intelligent car conversations with these people. They do not care, do not realize the extent that modifying cars plays in peoples lives. So when all these people who don't care(and never will) drive around with "loud exhausts" looking like jackasses, it reflects the entire scene.

 

[98spydert]

Just look at this site, the members to members with timeslips ratio is rediculous. But, try if you must it might just change some people's minds, I know that becasue of the info you gave me about auto x I will be getting more into that next year as well as hitting the strip religously to test out the new set up.

If only it could be sumed up by who posts timeslips
How many don't live near a track?
How many don't feel like posting a time slip?
How many don't care what people online think about their time?
How many don't care enough in the first place to even go to the track in a street car?
How many don't build their car for a 1/4 mile?
Car enthusiests are not all chasing a magical number and the rest don't risk everything by racing down the main drag on friday night. It's beyond than black and white folks

 

[98eclipseRS]

If only it could be sumed up by who posts timeslips
How many don't live near a track?
How many don't feel like posting a time slip?
How many don't care what people online think about their time?
How many don't care enough in the first place to even go to the track in a street car?
How many don't build their car for a 1/4 mile?
Car enthusiests are not all chasing a magical number and the rest don't risk everything by racing down the main drag on friday night. It's beyond than black and white folks

wow way to take one point of my entire post and make it seem like I beleive that is the only thing that matters. I should have made it more clear that I was just showing that even on this site where everyone says they are real racers the majority have done no real racing. How many posts do you see in the track talk forum talking about how they raced so and so on the street?? exactly alot it was my way of pointing out that chris should not waste his breath with this becasue people will always street race and will most likely never go to a real track.

 

[98spydert]

wow way to take one point of my entire post and make it seem like I beleive that is the only thing that matters. I should have made it more clear that I was just showing that even on this site where everyone says they are real racers the majority have done no real racing. How many posts do you see in the track talk forum talking about how they raced so and so on the street?? exactly alot it was my way of pointing out that chris should not waste his breath with this becasue people will always street race and will most likely never go to a real track.

The point coming from your posts, even this ^post, is "real enthusiests go to a real track." No need to get so pissy every time you see my screen name bud, I know you don't care for me

 

[EclpzLvr97]

Nikki, this is a car forum and most of us are really into cars. I know there is more to life than cars, but this is forum where the top focus is cars, and thus, is the appropriate forum for such a debate. If you put little weight on this subject, that's fine. We've already established the Team Trinity might be the exception to this debate, so please do not feel the need to defend your club any further.

Now if you're defending the people who call themselves "team xx racing" and do no racing, then please, continue your argument.

The point of my last post was not about defending Team Trinity or any team for that matter. I was, in fact, just frustrated that this is a seemingly never-ending debate & I was personally beginning to feel that some take it a bit too seriously, but that is on them and only my opinion. Sorry if I made anyone feel I was undermining or belittling them....I didn't mean for that. I think I'm just done with this thread but wanted to clear myself first. It's been interesting though, to say the least.

 

[crazyjoe]

Not to add mroe fuel to the fire, but has anyone seen Honda's latest commercial "Represent"?

They show everyting from a 9 second honda drag car to some tricked out rice rides with big sound systems, and somehow they are trying to tie them all together with the idea of "Represent" your ride.

I am sure the car folks and the Honda folks especially are into it (yeah, I drive a civic, you know there's a 9 second civic, right? well this one's pretty close!). However, I know what it looks like to someone from the outside....oh great, more punk kids tricking out their cars and racing them around my neighborhood with loud exhaust....

 

[dls93tsi]

Ok, since this seems to be a hot topic, let me explain my situation. I have always had dirtbikes, 4-wheelers, and in the last few years cars. I also always worked on and modified my own as well as my friends bikes/cars/trucks...whatever we could get our hands on.

Me and my friends always called my garage and the machines we played with as SS Motorsports. We chose the term "Motorsports" because we were'nt TECHNICALLY a team, we didnt actually go to the track and race, but we still were big into going fast and modifying and improving on the design of whatever we got our hands on..

Now as you are thrashing everyone who calls thier crew a team, is it P.C. for me to organize my garage and "crew" under the term "Motorsports"? Or is this term also reserved for only the elite, trophy-hunting, big money,sponsored Racing Teams that apparently are the only people who DESERVE to call themselves a team, even though there are hundreds of "crews" working out of their 1 car garage or in their dirt driveway to try their best to make an impression with their car and to make an impression about themselves to other people, these "crews" cnat call themselves a team? Because they dont go to a sanctioned racetrack to PROVE their WORTHINESS? A team is a group of people who work together for a common cause, be it a timeslip, a victory lane trophy, or just respect down at the local car hangout.

 

[Ludachris]

Now as you are thrashing everyone who calls thier crew a team, is it P.C. for me to organize my garage and "crew" under the term "Motorsports"? Or is this term also reserved for only the elite, trophy-hunting, big money,sponsored Racing Teams that apparently are the only people who DESERVE to call themselves a team, even though there are hundreds of "crews" working out of their 1 car garage or in their dirt driveway to try their best to make an impression with their car and to make an impression about themselves to other people, these "crews" cnat call themselves a team? Because they dont go to a sanctioned racetrack to PROVE their WORTHINESS? A team is a group of people who work together for a common cause, be it a timeslip, a victory lane trophy, or just respect down at the local car hangout.

And with this post, I'm done arguing my point. You can call your car club whatever you like. Maybe one day you'll see the irony in it, maybe you won't. As I said before, I must be too old for this crowd. I don't work on gaining respect down at the local car hangout. I work on my car for my own pleasure and because I am a racing and motorsports fanatic. It's not an image thing for me, but it obviously is for others. I only hope for their sake that they don't kill themselves or others by trying to "rep" their "team" out there on the streets while they're trying to "gain respect". Just don't get so upset when people like me question why you call your car club a racing team if you don't actually race. If you did so as a joke, then we can both laugh about it. If you did it because you're trying to portray a false image, then I guess you won't find it too funny as I laugh. I'll keep getting pulled over and taking it for the "team" - pun intended.

Carry on if you like. My points have been made, even if they've fallen on deaf ears.

*** edit ***
And let me say that I didn't "grow out of it". I was never in it for the image or the "scene". It's always been about the cars for me - not the respect or the image. I said I must be too old for this crowd, not that I grew out of the scene.

 

[98spydert]

I must be too old for this crowd. I don't work on gaining respect down at the local car hangout. I work on my car for my own pleasure and because I am a racing and motorsports fanatic. It's not an image thing for me

That sums it up.

 

[DSMKevan]

Agreed! Working on your car isnt something you do to "get respect"....yo?

Whatever happened to working on your car as a hobby, not as something to increase your street credit. Perhaps the media has drawn in too many of the "false enthusiats" that we speak of. This could be from "performance" going mainstream too much, and just snowballing the number of "false enthusiasts" were getting now. These "false enthusiasts" are uneducated, ignorant, and out of place. Theyre polluting our sport and giving it a very bad reputation.

Then again, with the difficulty in categorizing all these groups of individuals and/or cultures, whats really the point of arguing about this? Maybe its become too broad of an issue to even argue anymore?

Just some thoughts.

 

[jp171]

As I sit at the bottom of page five, it is clear to me that this thread is little more than a debate on semantics.

 

[98spydert]

Agreed! Working on your car isnt something you do to "get respect"....yo?

Whatever happened to working on your car as a hobby, not as something to increase your street credit. Perhaps the media has drawn in too many of the "false enthusiats" that we speak of. This could be from "performance" going mainstream too much, and just snowballing the number of "false enthusiasts" were getting now. These "false enthusiasts" are uneducated, ignorant, and out of place. Theyre polluting our sport and giving it a very bad reputation.

Step back. Step back from your situation where you think you're the "real enthusiest." Look at the country. I'd be willing to bet that a majority of the people into Hondas and sport compacts in general are into the F&F scene. The "sure, fast would be fun but who cares if you don't turn some heads with a Veil kit and yellow paint" type of person who only mods his car for that street credit. They are not false enthusiests, they are simply a different kind of enthusiests who you obvisously don't agree with. I'm not defending them or anything but critical thinking envolves looking at the hole picture, not your click(team ) who you think is the real thing.

Ludichris summed his whole argument/point up when he said he'd grown out of it. It's not his thing, but the culture or scene, whatever you want to call it, isn't going to evolve with your tastes when you get sick of the NOS stickers and stupid paint jobs. I can't even stand a car with a dumb "powered by" sticker but what am I going to do? Follow him to tell him I'd never do it to my car so it's dumb? Remember, everything time someone grows out of the all show, no go concept, three more kids get their drivers licenses and head to Pep Boys to get their Altezzas and windshield wiper LEDs.

 

[Bjeezy01]

Don't flame me, I am just the messenger, I agree with Lud, and I don't like street racing but...

In the town I used to live in there were many companies that would actualy sponser these kind of clubs. They would ONLY sponser the ones that would drive around and show off, or street race. If you were in any kind of legal, or organized racing league/team they would not even consider a sponsership. They wanted there company names on the cars that drive around and look fast, or show up to the street races, not at a track. And when you walked into there shops, they would have actualy banners for the "street teams" they sponsored....I guess it's street credit marketing or somthing.
I don't know why they make up these clubs, but back home, I know one main reason was to get the sponsorships, so they could get more vynil hoursepower, or 12inch tachs. I can say that the people in them were usualy rude, and cocky. Even if your car was nicer, or faster, there response was always, at least I am sponsered....

 

[boostedinaz]

Step back. Step back from your situation where you think you're the "real enthusiest." Look at the country. I'd be willing to bet that a majority of the people into Hondas and sport compacts in general are into the F&F scene. The "sure, fast would be fun but who cares if you don't turn some heads with a Veil kit and yellow paint" type of person who only mods his car for that street credit. They are not false enthusiests, they are simply a different kind of enthusiests who you obvisously don't agree with. I'm not defending them or anything but critical thinking envolves looking at the hole picture, not your click(team ) who you think is the real thing.

Ludichris summed his whole argument/point up when he said he'd grown out of it. It's not his thing, but the culture or scene, whatever you want to call it, isn't going to evolve with your tastes when you get sick of the NOS stickers and stupid paint jobs. I can't even stand a car with a dumb "powered by" sticker but what am I going to do? Follow him to tell him I'd never do it to my car so it's dumb? Remember, everything time someone grows out of the all show, no go concept, three more kids get their drivers licenses and head to Pep Boys to get their Altezzas and windshield wiper LEDs.

You are kinda missing the point. I dont care if someone is into making a show car. Thats great for them. If they dont care how fast it is but want it to look good then go for it and be happy. I have a few minitrucker friends and what they do is amazing. The part that is ### is when thats all they care about and then they join "XXX Racerzzzz". Exactly what are they racing??

You also make it sound like we see a kid with sticker on his car and go running after him to make a big deal about it. Or that we get all worked about it. I really dont care either way because they are ignorant and that just makes it easy for a mildly quick car to beat them. This was just a discussion about stuff that we have noticed and the irony involved in racing teams that dotn race. None of us lose sleep or cry at night becasue of them.

 

[dls93tsi]

Ok, I personally haven't seen a car driving around the street w/ a "so-and-so RACING" sticker on that doenst at least have a timeslip. I am not into that stuff, personally I prefer SCCA road racing to anything, I have been involved with that for a few years now. I was trying to defend the groups of people who work together for a common outcome, regardless of if the outcome is a car with a body kit and crazy paint job and vinyl, or the guys building a full tube frame 800+HP full race car. Both of these groups of people put effort into making something they were proud of...Why is the title "team" not allowed for them? I completely understand what Lud is saying, and I agree. I dont like ricers, but im not going to say " you cant call yourself a team because you never took your car to a racetrack".

And on street racing. Street racing has been around since the wheel...you know there were romans back in the day that were like "my chariot is faster than thou" and they raced down the cobblestone street...The difference is that back then if someone got in the way it was their own damn fault. Serioulsy, arguing about street racing isnt going to stop it. I HIGHLY doubt that none of you that criticize it have taken a late night pull against another car, wether you consider that "street racing" or not. It is. Although I dont personally think its the best idea, and I dont go looking for races, if a nice car pulls up next to me and gives me the look ill give it a little go...im not gonna go down to philly to the organized street races though, to me its not worth the risk...some people have less to lose than me, so if they want to, go for it, and accept the consequences. I dont see the point in arguing about it...no matter how many laws they make, no matter how many people dont like it, it will still happen.

 

[Ludachris]

Ludichris summed his whole argument/point up when he said he'd grown out of it. It's not his thing, but the culture or scene, whatever you want to call it, isn't going to evolve with your tastes when you get sick of the NOS stickers and stupid paint jobs.

Just to be clear - I never grew out of the scene. I'm a performance enthusiast who loves cars. I was never in it for the scene or culture, or whatever the kids these days call it. I have always been in it for the cars and the performance. Not street credibility. If I was, I'd probably own a Honda or a Supra, not a 1g DSM. Even when the next big fad comes along after the import scene, performance and motorsports will live on. People outgrow fads. They learn to appreciate motorsports.

 

[98spydert]

Micheal you missed my point by nit picking through the post. My overall post was directed in response to the "false enthusiest" statements but it's directly related to the racing team fad that is indeed ironic. The kids that join these non-racing race teams are doing it for street credit or whatever you want to call it.

You also make it sound like we see a kid with sticker on his car and go running after him to make a big deal about it. Or that we get all worked about it. I really dont care either way because they are ignorant and that just makes it easy for a mildly quick car to beat them. This was just a discussion about stuff that we have noticed and the irony involved in racing teams that dotn race. None of us lose sleep or cry at night becasue of them.

It's so PAINTFULLY obvious I was exagerating about chasing down cars or getting so worked up about the teams, I have no idea how you got lost in the post and replied like that... But you can't tell me no one cares about it all when this discussion has reached 7 pages and over 160 posts. At the least, people are slightly ticked off about these posers.

 

[boostedinaz]

Micheal you missed my point by nit picking through the post. My overall post was directed in response to the "false enthusiest" statements but it's directly related to the racing team fad that is indeed ironic. The kids that join these non-racing race teams are doing it for street credit or whatever you want to call it.


It's so PAINTFULLY obvious I was exagerating about chasing down cars or getting so worked up about the teams, I have no idea how you got lost in the post and replied like that... But you can't tell me no one cares about it all when this discussion has reached 7 pages and over 160 posts. At the least, people are slightly ticked off about these posers.

True, but I just wanted to make it clear what my point was. There are all these people who take eveythign out of context, me included here and there. There were also some people who feel they need to tell us how there "team/crew/group of friends/whatever" are not in slightest bit like this. All that does is prove the point we were trying to make. Team Trinity has some very nice cars, but they are getting grouped in with these poser, yet some people dont think it affects anyone if some kid is retarded and puts bullshit on his car.

If you have a shor car then show it, if you have a racecar then race it, but do it cause you love it not cause its cool or you want "street credit".

 

[DSMKevan]

Step back. Step back from your situation where you think you're the "real enthusiest." Look at the country. I'd be willing to bet that a majority of the people into Hondas and sport compacts in general are into the F&F scene. The "sure, fast would be fun but who cares if you don't turn some heads with a Veil kit and yellow paint" type of person who only mods his car for that street credit. They are not false enthusiests, they are simply a different kind of enthusiests who you obvisously don't agree with. I'm not defending them or anything but critical thinking envolves looking at the hole picture, not your click(team ) who you think is the real thing.

Ludichris summed his whole argument/point up when he said he'd grown out of it. It's not his thing, but the culture or scene, whatever you want to call it, isn't going to evolve with your tastes when you get sick of the NOS stickers and stupid paint jobs. I can't even stand a car with a dumb "powered by" sticker but what am I going to do? Follow him to tell him I'd never do it to my car so it's dumb? Remember, everything time someone grows out of the all show, no go concept, three more kids get their drivers licenses and head to Pep Boys to get their Altezzas and windshield wiper LEDs.

Did I ever say that I was a true enthusiast? My bad on the "false enthusiasts" thing. I just couldnt really think of any other term to classify those people. I thought the statement after that, the one regarding classification, addressed that.

Im with ludachris on the scene thing, Ive never really been into the "cool thing", nor do I feel the need to join in on it.

but critical thinking envolves looking at the hole picture, not your click(team ) who you think is the real thing.

I think I am looking at the whole picture; the automotive culture and/or how it is perceived, as a whole, by the media. I hope I made my statements more clear, and that you get what Im trying to say. What Im trying to say is: Will the all show "Team X Racing" theme ruin our sport? Now I see that they wont ruin our sport. Our culture will remain after these "fads" dwindle away, and the next cool thing is whatever it is. Thanks for helping me realize this.

 

[RipperXX]

Maybe DSMtuners will sponsor a couple of weekend warrior race cars (that actually race).

Hey!


*points to car* 100,000 mile 90 awd TSi 5 speed & driver has almost 3yr's driveing experiance with the car And it's all STOCK!

 

[98spydert]

Did I ever say that I was a true enthusiast? My bad on the "false enthusiasts" thing. I just couldnt really think of any other term to classify those people. I thought the statement after that, the one regarding classification, addressed that.

Im with ludachris on the scene thing, Ive never really been into the "cool thing", nor do I feel the need to join in on it.



I think I am looking at the whole picture; the automotive culture and/or how it is perceived, as a whole, by the media. I hope I made my statements more clear, and that you get what Im trying to say. What Im trying to say is: Will the all show "Team X Racing" theme ruin our sport? Now I see that they wont ruin our sport. Our culture will remain after these "fads" dwindle away, and the next cool thing is whatever it is. Thanks for helping me realize this.

I think it's beyond the media. It looks like a majority of sport compact car (and some domestic ) enthusiests are in it for street credit, respect, whatever they want to call it, they don't do it for themselves. I think it's totally ### like you guys do but I don't think it's a fad. I started with sport compacts in high school when only a dozen or two modded cars were around my small town of 60k. For every guy who tricked his car out for his own enjoyment, there were ten guys sitting in the Pep Boy's parking lot with their team who's average performance mod count was 1... and that one being exhaust so they could sound good. Now it's blown up around here with hundreds of cars but the ratio stayed the same.

The funny thing is they see nothing wrong with it while the rest of us just kinda shake our heads and look away.

 

[97eagletalonesi]

i live in a town where a group took the name of the town i live in which is moberly and named ther club mob town its a bunch of players who think they are ballers and stuff like that driving around with wire wheels and stuff. what a bunch of losers

 

[98eclipseRS]

I think it's beyond the media. It looks like a majority of sport compact car (and some domestic ) enthusiests are in it for street credit, respect, whatever they want to call it, they don't do it for themselves. I think it's totally ### like you guys do but I don't think it's a fad. I started with sport compacts in high school when only a dozen or two modded cars were around my small town of 60k. For every guy who tricked his car out for his own enjoyment, there were ten guys sitting in the Pep Boy's parking lot with their team who's average performance mod count was 1... and that one being exhaust so they could sound good. Now it's blown up around here with hundreds of cars but the ratio stayed the same.

The funny thing is they see nothing wrong with it while the rest of us just kinda shake our heads and look away.

why do you say you don't think its a fad?? Just askiong honestly, I have the same feeling on this as you as much as you try and twist my posts around to mean something else. I think this will die down eventually to how it was before, maybe not quite as low key as it was before but I don't beleive that the "scene" will keep growing forever sooner or later it will evuntually get to large and die down a bit. Look at skateboarding for example. It used to be frowned upon then all of a sudden tony hawk comes on to the mainstream and skateboarding blows up. Kids that don't even know how to ride all of a sudden are wearing skate clothes and carrying around skateboards. It got so big that people that once were "cool" because of this skateboard image they portrayed are now being made fun of not only by the real skaters but by other people that see this. I beleive the car scene is on its way there, all these teams or whatever they call themselves are just creating a sentiment for a backlash on themselves and the scene will die down again. It will alwasy be larger than it was before but I see many people getting out of it because its not "cool" anymore I can already see it happening in my area. My previous posts about real enthusiats going to a track was only an example, I don't expect hotrod guys to go to a track or show car enthusiats to go to a track I do however expect them to do soemthing besides hang out in parking lots talkikng about how cool they are because they have a crew. Your comments on me not liking you are not true. I don't like how you interpret peoples posts to make it seem like they are trying to say something else. I do think you have some useful information and it is nice to see other people in the community helping people out instead of this recent trend to flame people I see in this community.

 

[98spydert]

I didn't "twist your post around to mean something else." I replied to something you clearly stated even if it was just an example. But back to the oh so interesting topic...

I said I didn't think it's a fad becaue of the amount of people involved and the amount of time it has lasted, around my area anyways. On top of that, I sure wasn't one of the "first guys into the scene" like some claim and that was over 5 years ago so it's been arond for a long time. One thing though, it's always gained more attention and more enthusiests. Like I said before, one person leaves the scene or ditches the rice and 3 more kids into it.

I guess my idea of a fad is something a little more short term and less popular. Like the dumb ass emo kids around here, that blew up in one season, so fast that all of the stores started carrying that crap right away and the kids just ate it up. It died within a few months though, even the original "ecsentric" people stopped dressing that way because it wasn't original anymore. A friend of mine even took out his ear rings and had the massive holes stitched up becuase he said he just looked like every high school kid in our city. That hasn't happened with sport compacts.

 

[InfamousEclipse]

C³ (Tri-Cities) DSM

The main purpose of this "team" is to support local DSM Unity. Helping one another with our DSMs, and small group of people who share the same Love as their "crew" for DSMs.

It is in no way a 'Racing Team'

Ironicly "Infamous" was an old team but I grew out of that...