Quality of Punishment "greddy style" bov

[DROPthatCLUTCH]

Ordering the PR FMIC soon. Just wondering the quality of the BOV. I think it's like a type rs knockoff or something? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[DSM_munky_man]

According to them its a knock off. but I and a few other members have took them apart, and they look to have the same diaphragm in them as the NGR type s bov's that are better then the greddy ones.

 

[DROPthatCLUTCH]

so they're better than the real Greddys?
It's probably a hit and miss, like most other knock-offs.

 

[silicosys4]

I would reconsider, I have a 1g PR FMIC kit and wish I had gone with something different, such as the VRSF kit. I had to totally redo my intake (gm maf, maft) because the PR kit has the BOV flange about 4" too low on the pipe, and the flange rubs against the 1g airbox, leaving no room for a BOV. Thats ONE issue I had, and many people are having that issue with 1g dsms, that and other issues. (crap j-pipe, super-crap tbolt clamps) The PR kit has some major issues that would be easy to fix.
The ONLY good thing I have to say about the PR kit is that the short route piping will work with an ETS race core.

If i had to do it all over again, I would get a water/meth kit and keep the smic until I was ready for the ETS race core. The VRSF and PR kits generally really are good for sub 400hp builds, and a water meth kit and smic would be cheaper in the long run if you plan on going bigger down the road.

Here are pictures of some of my issues with the 1g PR kit.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/409264-air-filter-relocate.html

for a kit that supposedly is pretty bolt on, that's a joke.

Seriously, look at the pics....How hard is it to tell your chinese supplier to weld the freakin BOV flange a couple inches further up the pipe?
FAIL.

on the other hand, the BOV supplied with the kit wasn't bad, I opened it up and the diaphragm is as people say, red and identical to the NGR replacement diaphragm.

 

[DROPthatCLUTCH]

You sure you didn't put your BOV flange pipe on upside down? I've heard of people doing that and saying they can't get the BOV on.

Also, when did you buy your kit?

 

[silicosys4]

My first thought was "god I'm a dumbass, I can't believe I put it on backwards after reading all about the BOV against hood problem" but no, If you put it on backwards then the lower cold side is completely off by about 4". If you look at the one other picture posted in the thread I quoted of a PR kit, the BOV flange placement is different as well. So it really boils down to piss-poor blowoff valve flange placement and a complete unwillingness to either change suppliers to one that will listen, or getting the current supplier to change bov placement by a couple of inches.
The kit was purchased about 6 months ago. When I called them about it they said the kit I have is something like 8 or 9 versions in..... They must have super crap suppliers if they can't get a freakin IC piping kit right in 8 or 9 tries. It's not rocket science. They didn't even develop the kit, a member on here did a looooong time ago, they can't even copy it correctly.

 

[H4G64T]

I took apart the Type S knock-off that came with my buddies PR kit...it definitely did not have the NGR style diaphragm in it (which I can confirm, because the reason he didn't use it was because he actually had an NGR). Pictures?

 

[davidalindsey]

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Thats the BOV I got with my PR intercooler kit.
Same as the NGR.

Ngr bov?

 

[H4G64T]

When did you buy it, the one that came with the kit he bought didn't have any labels on the top.

 

[Tyeler18]

The PR kit we bought for the 2g fit fine (it's a 2g though, don't know about the 1g) and it came with the NGR diaphram. BOV worked fine.

 

[TJCTalon]

The BOV is garbage. I gave it to a buddy who put it on his subaru. Even with loosening it to the softest setting, the bov had a hard time opening and was causing compressor surge.

I would never put it on my car.

 

[H4G64T]

The BOV is garbage. I gave it to a buddy who put it on his subaru. Even with loosening it to the softest setting, the bov had a hard time opening and was causing compressor surge.

I would never put it on my car.

Solution:

More boost. Continue on.

 

[punishment]

I would reconsider, I have a 1g PR FMIC kit and wish I had gone with something different, such as the VRSF kit. I had to totally redo my intake (gm maf, maft) because the PR kit has the BOV flange about 4" too low on the pipe, and the flange rubs against the 1g airbox, leaving no room for a BOV. Thats ONE issue I had, and many people are having that issue with 1g dsms, that and other issues. (crap j-pipe, super-crap tbolt clamps) The PR kit has some major issues that would be easy to fix, if they actually gave a crap about their kit and customers.
The ONLY good thing I have to say about the PR kit is that the short route piping will work with an ETS race core.

If i had to do it all over again, I would get a water/meth kit and keep the smic until I was ready for the ETS race core. The VRSF and PR kits generally really are good for sub 400hp builds, and a water meth kit and smic would be cheaper in the long run if you plan on going bigger down the road.

Here are pictures of some of my issues with the 1g PR kit.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/409264-air-filter-relocate.html

for a kit that supposedly is pretty bolt on, that's a joke. Their response when I emailed them the pictures? Go buy stuff to make it work because we are sick of changing it.

Seriously, look at the pics....How hard is it to tell your chinese supplier to weld the freakin BOV flange a couple inches further up the pipe?
FAIL.

on the other hand, the BOV supplied with the kit wasn't bad, I opened it up and the diaphragm is as people say, red and identical to the NGR replacement diaphragm.

My first thought was "god I'm a dumbass, I can't believe I put it on backwards after reading all about the BOV against hood problem" but no, If you put it on backwards then the lower cold side is completely off by about 4". If you look at the one other picture posted in the thread I quoted of a PR kit, the BOV flange placement is different as well. So it really boils down to piss-poor blowoff valve flange placement and a complete unwillingness to either change suppliers to one that will listen, or getting the current supplier to change bov placement by a couple of inches.
The kit was purchased about 6 months ago. When I called them about it they said the kit I have is something like 8 or 9 versions in..... They must have super crap suppliers if they can't get a freakin IC piping kit right in 8 or 9 tries. It's not rocket science. They didn't even develop the kit, a member on here did a looooong time ago, they can't even copy it correctly.

Are you serious?? You can't figure out how to install a kit that over 1000 others have managed to and now you think your some kind of customer service expert who is going to come on the forum (that your a newb on as it is) and talk crap.

I've been at this for almost 10 years and I guarantee that if you look at the list of DSM parts vendors that have come and gone over the years we are consistently at the top when it comes to customer service. We are one of the few shops that are still here supporting the DSM community and when I see some newb running his mouth on the forums like this it pisses me off.

Now if your ready to discuss this like a grown up let me know

Tim

 

[H4G64T]

Tim:

I too first put the kit on with some of the piping in the wrong spots, so did another local guy. Luckily the kids car who I was installing it on managed to see my error. Not talking crap, cause it's a good budget kit, but maybe just a sheet with a drawing of the kit so people can see the proper order everything goes on would help some of the newer types.

The problem lies in the 45° coupler, if it is on one way you can get the kit to work but it's ugly, swap a pipe and a coupler and problem resolved.

 

[punishment]

I have no problem with constructive criticism, no part is perfect and there can always be improvements made that help give a better customer experience. Most of the improvement we have made on all our parts have come directly from customer feedback.

I welcome input from our customers which is why we sell these kits in the first place. Customers were looking for a FMIC kit that wasn't $750, which at the time was the most inexpensive kit on the market. There was a tuners member who had designed the original version of the kits and we partnered up with him and began selling them on our website. He eventually moved on to other things and we took over the kits full time.

There was no "copying" and it was no secret that we weren't the original designers so I get a laugh whenever "interweb detectives" think they find out some deep dark secret.

I originally didn't want to sell the kits but it was a product people were looking for and 99% of the people who have bought the kits have had no issues.

We actually do have an install guide that is supposed to be emailed out with every FMIC kit purchase. I will see why those aren't going out to customers.

Tim

 

[H4G64T]

Was this always the case? This particular kit I am talking about was purchased 2 years ago.

 

[LandoAWD]

While I'd rethink how you approached that, Tim, I agree that it's a bit silly to assume that your IC kit (works for the majority) is going to be 100% error free with every MAF, intake, etc. (let's not forget it appears to be upside down)

That appears to be what happened above, but that "gentlemen" tends to post like that everywhere.

 

[laser90]

The BOV is garbage. I gave it to a buddy who put it on his subaru. Even with loosening it to the softest setting, the bov had a hard time opening and was causing compressor surge.

I would never put it on my car.

To solve this problem you need to open up the BOV and remove the smaller of the 2 springs.

<------- Been running this kit AND BOV since 2008

 

[silicosys4]

I actually did contact PR, tim, several times, and I sent pics comparing the differences between the pictures PR has advertised of the BOV flange placement, and pictures of my BOV flange placement. They are completely different. Look at the pictures. I asked about that fact, and I was told that the kit is 8 or 9 variations from what the advertised pictures shown and that no more changes would be made. When I asked for a new pipe with a different BOV flange placement I was told no, I had to buy stuff to make it work. It was NOT a case of the pipe being upside down, I tried that, it wouldn't even come close to lining up. My dejon intake puts the oem maf at oem position. The kit is advertised as being bolt on, this usually means not having to change the intake/maf. This is simply a poor fitting kit, that is barely if at all compatible with the oem intake system, and PR knows about the issue and simply complains about the people having the problem, rather than fixing it. And I know for a fact that I am not the only person that has BOV flange fitment issues.

Your unwillingness to even address the situation when I approached your company personally even after showing you pictures, ensured that whenever a post like this comes up, I will share my experiences.

P.S. good customer service involves doing things like telling people that their goods are indefinately on backorder. Preferably before they even order would be nice. It also involves sending people new tclamps, not just telling people you are going to send new tclamps, when the crap ones included in the kit break in half. This kit was a PITA in every way from the beginning, due to simple, easily fixed issues that, because they weren't and continue to not be addressed, make this kit a poor choice given other options.
Good, you fixed the hood/bov clearance issue at the expense of airbox clearance. It still has major issues with fitment.

And no, It is not, I freakin repeat, IT IS NOT UPSIDE DOWN.

And yes, I did manage to "freakin install a kit 1000 other people have", It was, however,a huge and unnecessary pita that other kits don't seem to be.
For such a successfull kit, this is something like the 3rd or 4th time you've posted pretty much the exact same thing on separate threads for the same problem to tell people how stupid they are for having problems with your kit. Only this time you are getting pretty rude about it...tired of hearing a bunch of people complain about it aren't you?

And Tim...I have spend thousands of dollars over the last year or so, A good amount at PR, and a good amount still to come, and you will not see another penny of my money. Your totally unprofessional post pretty much proves my point, that if a customer has a problem you'd rather bi*** at them than help them.

 

[LandoAWD]

Your unwillingness to even address the situation when I approached your company personally even after showing you pictures, ensured that whenever a post like this comes up, I will share my experiences.

Not on this forum.

 

[DROPthatCLUTCH]

I ordered the Godspeed kit anyways. It's exactly the same as the PR and CXracing kit, just cheaper. Even comes with "type rs style bov" . But, I guess we'll see if I like it as much as the subaru guys.

 

[DROPthatCLUTCH]

So will I have problems with BOV fitment as long as I have 1g MAF/intake pipe? Or was that just a random problem that buddy was talking about?

 

[laser90]

So will I have problems with BOV fitment as long as I have 1g MAF/intake pipe? Or was that just a random problem that buddy was talking about?

That was just a random mishap.