purchasing an evo III turbo need expert help!!!

[firefighter_637]

hey im getting an evo III turbo and i saw this turbo and it looks like a great deal check it out and let me know what you think!!! thanks!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...ry=33742&item=7959133920&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

 

[andymoraitis]

Personally, I never take chances on a turbo purchase so my advice would be to buy from a proven source like Slowboy or Buschur. You may pay a bit more, but at least you'll have customer service after the sale and you'll know exactly what you're getting.

 

[dustyduff]

I agree with the guy who posted above me. Check out this thread and you'll understand why the ebay ad has that paragraph with long Red Bold Letters. If he is selling the authentic EVO III turbo, then why isn't he showing the compressor housing in the ad.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167952&highlight=evo

 

[Tallen]

The "gt" is a cheap knockoffof an EVO 16G. Get the real thing.

 

[BMWHATR]

I just like how it says "Turbo supports WAY over 380 horsepower"(the link that you provide read what they describe) Dude if they telling lie just to sell there product think about what your getting yourself into. Just use a shop where all dsm get there parts you will pay about $100 more but quality is lot better. Trust me

 

[daren_p]

If I was you, I wouldn't purchase that turbo unless you want the "GT" version instead of the real MHI EVOIII16g. I know the add says that its the real deal but I personally know it isn't. I have a buddy that was going to buy that turbo but he wanted the real MHI unit. When he actually contacted them and got all the details they were infact selling the knock off GT version, he's purchasing his real evo from SBR.

The turbo that he has pictured in the ad is the real EVO but thats not what he is selling.

If you want the real EVO go to SBR, the speed factor, RRE (sells both the mhi & the gt version I believe) or since you are looking on ebay check 1320 motorsports out, I believe he is selling the real version. He's just starting up so he's got some good prices, got my dsmlink from him great guy to deal with. He has 3 of his own dsm's, so give him a shout and see what he has to say.

 

[Module Unknown]

Personally, I never take chances on a turbo purchase so my advice would be to buy from a proven source like Slowboy or Buschur. You may pay a bit more, but at least you'll have customer service after the sale and you'll know exactly what you're getting.

What he ^^^ said. Is it really worth taking a chance with $550+ just to save $50? I wouldn't recommend purchasing a turbo from some unknown vendor. Look through the Sponsors/Vendor list available on this site. Go with someone that you know is active in this community. Someone you can trust, someone with a good reputation. Search around this forum and see what vendor's people recommend. That being said, I got an awesome deal on my ported evo3 16g from Martin at thespeedfacter.com. Give him a call, shop around, talk to people...

I don't easily let go of my money if you couldn't tell from my post.

 

[a_scobel]

I'd never buy something that important/expensive off Ebay when they're only showing one picture (Generic picture, at that) of the product.

 

[leakyfaucet]

Yes, that is the chinese-made Evo3 knockoff. There's two huge threads about this turbo and how inferior it is. For that price, you could get the real thing that would last much longer.

It's funny how he claims it is an actual Mitsubishi part and then mentions that other people are selling knockoffs.

Direct quote:
"BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU BUY ON EBAY-YOU CAN END UP WITH CHEAP KNOCK OFF MERCHANDISE."
:laugh: :laugh:

 

[firefighter_637]

Thanks For All The Help Guys I Will Definately Go Through Sbr I Was Originally Gonna Go Through Them Anyway Thanks!!!

 

[BoostedTalonTS]

Yes, that is the chinese-made Evo3 knockoff. There's two huge threads about this turbo and how inferior it is. For that price, you could get the real thing that would last much longer.

It's funny how he claims it is an actual Mitsubishi part and then mentions that other people are selling knockoffs.

Direct quote:
"BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU BUY ON EBAY-YOU CAN END UP WITH CHEAP KNOCK OFF MERCHANDISE."
:laugh: :laugh:

Yeah, I TOTALLY agree... Whatever you don't trust him!!! I asked him if it is an authentic MHI Evo 3 turbo... He totally lied about it, telling me that it is "authentic" and sent me the el-cheapo knock-off! -Having asked him straight out about it being a MHI E16G, he told me that it was and I took his word for it without looking into it any further...
OK, I got suckered in. That's what I get for trusting his word. If you get one of these from him, this is exactly what it will look like (a POS knock-off that looks identical to the one that SBR disassembled for comparison between it and the "Real" Evo 16G, same casting numbers and all). Check it out:

PM me for more details

 

[BoostedTalonTS]

Oh, and I never installed it... It's on it's way back to the fraudulent seller, pending a full refund. -Thankfully this was intended for a friend's 1G, and not mine. -I got the REAL Evo 16G some time ago


WATCH OUT FOR THIS GUY!!

 

[eclipse99gsx]

fourcornerturbos hooked me up for 600.00

 

[daren_p]

fourcornerturbos hooked me up for 600.00

They hooked you up with what for $600? the real MHI or the GT knock off? I don't think they really know what they are selling. Like I posted earlier when my buddy first started emailing them he was told it was the real MHI EVOIII. But when he emailed them SBR compairson page to make sure he would get the real MHI they replied back that they were in fact selling the GT model, so he said no thank-you.

 

[BoostedTalonTS]

fourcornerturbos hooked me up for 600.00

I'm curious to know as well... Did Brian tell you that it was the Evo III GT or the "real" Evo TD-05H Evo16G (as it is said in his ad's title)?

Are you running it? If so, how long have you been using it? -Any problems so far?

Have you seen SBR's comparison page yet?

-I just want to know, as do others, I'm sure.

 

[91gvr4]

Ok i have read the pages upon pages about the evo316g gt. I personally wouldnt even run the MHI evo turbo. But has anyone had any problems on this board with it?

 

[BoostedTalonTS]

Ok i have read the pages upon pages about the evo316g gt. I personally wouldnt even run the MHI evo turbo. But has anyone had any problems on this board with it?

I'm not sure I understand your question...
If you are referring to the MHI's Evo 16G, then yes, I have and will continue to run that turbo. I have never had any problems with it, not even the slightest bit of boost creep. It's dialed in at 9lbs factory boost, 13 lbs (Profec B's low boost), and 19 lbs on the Profec's High boost. I personally ported both the compressor and turbine housings myself, and did not install a larger WG flapper valve. Add to that a tubular 2.5" O2 housing, and it's 2.5" turbo-back, with a HF cat. Also keep in mind that this is my daily driven setup... Given that role, and the informative breakdown/comparison page that was offered by SBR, I didn't want to take a chance (as previously stated) on putting this GT turbo on another DSM that also has the same role/function. -Reliability being the number 1 concern. -I returned it for what it was... Something that was was misrepresented initially and sold to me as being the "Real Evo" turbo. Unfortunately, that differed from what I actually received.

I'm sure that things could have been different if I wasn't led to believe that it was something it wasn't. -May be DAREN_P is right, four corners doesn't even know what they are selling. I bet they will just blame tc.com for blowing smoke up their butts too. -It seems like that is what everyone else who caries it is doing.

 

[4CTP]

Hello
I had no idea that I was being flamed by Mr. Stokes on this board. A friend brought it to my attention, and I wish I would have responded earlier. I don't want to get involved in some strange dispute about me being a liar or Mr. Stokes trying to steal merchandise, so I'll just post the email where I lied about the turbo being a MHI turbo:

"I hear that.

Oh just to clarify, can you confirm the specs on the compressor wheel?
I show the HMI's Evo3 16G turbo's compressor wheel specs as:
Inducer: 1.903"
Exducer: 2.675"

I asked that back before I got it, but I guess you didn't see that email.
Thanks,
TTYL
Eben"

"Hello
Those specs are correct.
Brian"


Pretty sneaky, eh? I should have been a jerk and said "What the hell is HMI?" and "Who the hell measures in Inches?" but I just said, yeah, whatever buddy.

I try to provide good customer service whenever I sell anything, and Mr. Stokes was offered an immeditae refund. I'll just leave it at that. I'm sure that will cause a firestorm, as Mr. Stokes showed me in his many emails, he is very angry about this whole transaction. I'm sorry about that. All that I could do is provide a refund, and Mr. Stokes didn't like my terms, for whatever reason.

I definitely am sorry that no one trusts the EVOIII GT turbo's quality/reliability. I am even more sorry that this is due to the fact that a vendor has posted a totally fraudulent analysis of the product. I have taken apart the EVOIII and the EVOIII GT turbo before, and the parts I have had in front of me looked pretty similar. In fact, the parts for the EVOIIIGT turbo don't look anything like the parts displayed on said website. In fact, the turbo isn't even made in China at all.

Certainly, I wouldn't expect someone to just take my word on such a matter, but I'm pretty surprised that a bunch of false reports and fake pictures would go so far in the tuner community. ESPECIALLY in the DSM community. Ever since I've had a DSM (1997), I've known the DSM community to rely on facts and data-so much so, I've been over my head more than a couple of times in the forums. I know that the fathers of the entire DSM movement, Buschur Racing, etc. aren't fooled by false advertising, and actually sell and stand behind the EVOIII GT turbo.

Brian
Four Corners Turbo

 

[4CTP]

-I returned it for what it was... Something that was was misrepresented initially and sold to me as being the "Real Evo" turbo. Unfortunately, that differed from what I actually received.

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actually, you never returned it. You just demanded a refund, sent it to the wrong address, and then had it returned to your location.

To beat a dead horse, the "real EVO" turbo isn't sold by anyone in the USA. Check your part numbers, the "REAL EVOIII turbo" hasn't been sold EVER in the USA. tc.com just started calling the turbo the EVOIII turbo, just like tc.com started calling their GT turbo the EVOIII GT. When you invent something, you pretty much control the name.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

I definitely am sorry that no one trusts the EVOIII GT turbo's quality/reliability. I am even more sorry that this is due to the fact that a vendor has posted a totally fraudulent analysis of the product. I have taken apart the EVOIII and the EVOIII GT turbo before, and the parts I have had in front of me looked pretty similar. In fact, the parts for the EVOIIIGT turbo don't look anything like the parts displayed on said website. In fact, the turbo isn't even made in China at all.

Right, They were the only one willing to take turbo apart and show how inferior it is.

Your right, we won't take your word for for it.

"said company" proved that they used inferior metals and parts, what like they just pulled that thrust bearing from their ass or doctored in photohop, pathetic?. Unless you or anyone else disproves that, I'm telling everyone to stay away from those turbos.

 

[DSMunknown]

I'm telling everyone to stay away from those turbos.

u mean these turbos in general? or just from fake vendors like the ones found on ebay?


i dont know if anyone else has dealt with them, but im gonna buy my evoIII16G from extremepsi, found here

they offer the install kit, gaskets, option of it being ported and modded, and oil feedline. the turbo itself is $565, but with all the extras it comes out to be $953.

i was on here about a month or two ago, and it was a hundred dollars less. if you want to sqeeze your pennies, then you might want to wait until the prices go down. happy spooling

 

[4CTP]

Right, They were the only one willing to take turbo apart and show how inferior it is.

Your right, we won't take your word for for it.

"said company" proved that they used inferior metals and parts, what like they just pulled that thrust bearing from their ass or doctored in photohop, pathetic?. Unless you or anyone else disproves that, I'm telling everyone to stay away from those turbos.

no, I'm not saying they photoshopped anything. take a look at the thrust bearing, when it's side by side with the MHI bearing. Notice both bearings have numbers stamped on them? Both of those numbers are MHI part numbers. The EVOIIIGT thrust bearing doesn't have numbers stamped on it. As far as proving that the metals are inferior, you don't remember the FIRST webpage that said the metals were allready analyzed in China? Notice that got changed, and the metal analysis will be posted later?

 

[MackZ24]

Well, by all means, if you've already torn both an MHI unit and the GT unit down, take some pictures of the parts yourself and I'd gladly host them on my server for you with your own comparison so people can see, if you don't have the resources to host them yourself.

 

[AWD90DSM]

-I returned it for what it was... Something that was was misrepresented initially and sold to me as being the "Real Evo" turbo. Unfortunately, that differed from what I actually received.

/

actually, you never returned it. You just demanded a refund, sent it to the wrong address, and then had it returned to your location.

To beat a dead horse, the "real EVO" turbo isn't sold by anyone in the USA. Check your part numbers, the "REAL EVOIII turbo" hasn't been sold EVER in the USA. tc.com just started calling the turbo the EVOIII turbo, just like tc.com started calling their GT turbo the EVOIII GT. When you invent something, you pretty much control the name.

so the MHI evo 3 16g, made by MITSUBISHI, is in fact, as you say, NOT a real evo 3 turbo?

 

[4CTP]

so the MHI evo 3 16g, made by MITSUBISHI, is in fact, as you say, NOT a real evo 3 turbo?

yep, you got it right. Do a search. The 49178-01470 is a truck turbo, it's only called the EVOIII turbo because it has the same specs as the origional turbo that came with the Lancer Evolution III. There was a whole bunch written about it on of these forums....don't recall which one, the post is about a year old.