purchasing an evo III turbo need expert help!!!

[firefighter_637]

hey im getting an evo III turbo and i saw this turbo and it looks like a great deal check it out and let me know what you think!!! thanks!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...ry=33742&item=7959133920&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

 

[4CTP]

Well, by all means, if you've already torn both an MHI unit and the GT unit down, take some pictures of the parts yourself and I'd gladly host them on my server for you with your own comparison so people can see, if you don't have the resources to host them yourself.

Yeah, would you? I don't have any pictures of the MHI turbo torn down, but I have pics of the EVOIIIGT's innards. Kind of strange, too-the slow boy site says MHI bearing housings are darker color than the GT housing, but that's actually the opposite of the truth. I can show THAT side by side, for sure.....

 

[MackZ24]

Not A Problem, feel free to send any images that you have to [email protected] , and when I get a chance I will throw together a quick website with the pictures and post for people to see. Make sure that you send descriptions for each picture as well, as I'm no expert of a turbocharger's internal workings and would like people to know what they will be looking at. This way everyone can decide for themselves.

 

[4CTP]

Not A Problem, feel free to send any images that you have to [email protected] , and when I get a chance I will throw together a quick website with the pictures and post for people to see. Make sure that you send descriptions for each picture as well, as I'm no expert of a turbocharger's internal workings and would like people to know what they will be looking at. This way everyone can decide for themselves.

Well, I'm afraid everyone has decided for themselves allready. I'll definetely send you the pictures, but my credibility isn't as good as the company that posted the website, obviously. I'm actually pretty surprised that someone on here bought a turbo from me on ebay and said so. I'm sure there's quite a few people who have bought a turbo off slow boy....it's just a little bit discouraging, you know? I could post all the pictures I want, but I'm afraid the damadge has allready been done.
One totally fake website later, and EVERYONE believes these turbos are made in China. They're not made in China. One fake website later, and everyone believes that the thrust bearing on the EVOIIIGT turbo isn't any good. That isn't even the thrust bearing that's in the EVOIIIGT. One fake website later, and everyone here thinks that Buschur, RRE, TC.COM, and my company are trying to rip people off with a cheap fake product.
I'm sure I'm just asking for abuse by even posting here, but it's getting pretty ridiculous. I pay about the SAME AMOUNT to my supplier for an EVOIII turbo and an EVOIIIGT turbo, and turbochargers.com is NOT getting rich on these turbos because they paid $200 for these things. Guess what? They're not that cheap because they are NOT MADE IN CHINA. Turbochargers.com had this turbo made to their specifications not to save money, but to get a better turbo on the market.
The EVOIII MHI turbo is VERY prone to overheating and cracking due to it's metal content and due to the way it's used. NO ONE runs stock boost levels on these things, and more boost means more heat. More heat means the bearing housing gets ruined, or the turbine housing cracks RIGHT by the wastegate flapper. These turbos were designed to eliminate that problem. MHI turbos have always been the best designed worst built turbos on the market, and the EVOIII GT turbo is the best designed best built turbo.
I will post measurements of all the components of the EVOIIIGT turbo for everyone to see-I am sure I will be told I am wrong by everyone here that doesn't work with turbos for a living.....sorry for the rant.
Brian
Four Corners Turbo

 

[4CTP]

Not A Problem, feel free to send any images that you have to [email protected] , and when I get a chance I will throw together a quick website with the pictures and post for people to see. Make sure that you send descriptions for each picture as well, as I'm no expert of a turbocharger's internal workings and would like people to know what they will be looking at. This way everyone can decide for themselves.

Here's a link to the new thread I started with pictures

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1479031#post1479031

 

[tstkl]

I just like how it says "Turbo supports WAY over 380 horsepower"(the link that you provide read what they describe) Dude if they telling lie just to sell there product think about what your getting yourself into. Just use a shop where all dsm get there parts you will pay about $100 more but quality is lot better. Trust me

that guy with the galant vr4 posted his 320 whp dyno with the 14b, 380 wouldnt seem that irealistic with the evo3 16g, especially if hes talking about crank hp,... and it could probably be acheived with the knock off evo3 gt's dont know how much of a pos they are tho,....

 

[ShapeGSX]

To beat a dead horse, the "real EVO" turbo isn't sold by anyone in the USA. Check your part numbers, the "REAL EVOIII turbo" hasn't been sold EVER in the USA. tc.com just started calling the turbo the EVOIII turbo, just like tc.com started calling their GT turbo the EVOIII GT. When you invent something, you pretty much control the name.

Listen, I don't give a crap. I know that the 16G that is on my car is reliable. It has been on my car for over a year and a half at some pretty high boost levels. I know that it let me run [email protected]. I also know that the 16G on my car doesn't say "GT" on it anywhere.

The two turbos are different. Go with the one that is proven to work well and reliably. And that isn't the one that says "GT" on it.

 

[red91gst]

yep, you got it right. Do a search. The 49178-01470 is a truck turbo, it's only called the EVOIII turbo because it has the same specs as the origional turbo that came with the Lancer Evolution III. There was a whole bunch written about it on of these forums....don't recall which one, the post is about a year old.

The EVOIII 16G IS THE EXACT same turbo as on the Evolution III, if you dont believe me I'll show you the pictures I took of the stock turbo coming off a real EVO III from two weeks ago when I was flown to the Bahamas to tune a customers car. I was surprised myself that the turbo I just pulled of this Ralliart EVO was infact the same EVOIII turbo we sell, same numbers an all.

Its listed as a "truck" turbo because most of the turbos Mitsu makes end up on a Fuso, where do you think the 20G came from???

Please refrain from posting false information and do your research before you make a fool of yourself.


Nate
SBR

 

[ShapeGSX]

The EVOIII MHI turbo is VERY prone to overheating and cracking due to it's metal content and due to the way it's used. NO ONE runs stock boost levels on these things, and more boost means more heat. More heat means the bearing housing gets ruined, or the turbine housing cracks RIGHT by the wastegate flapper. These turbos were designed to eliminate that problem. MHI turbos have always been the best designed worst built turbos on the market, and the EVOIII GT turbo is the best designed best built turbo.

What are you talking about? I've probably run an Evo III 16G for longer than ANYONE! I laready have over 20,000mi on it. I have no cracks in the exhaust housing. I run over 20psi daily on the thing. I run over 30psi spikes at the track. No cracks at all!

My old 7cm housing, however, was already cracked beyond repair at this point.

You keep on saying that the "GT" isn't from China, well where is it from? Prove to us that it is "the best designed best built turbo."

 

[4CTP]

What are you talking about? I've probably run an Evo III 16G for longer than ANYONE! I laready have over 20,000mi on it. I have no cracks in the exhaust housing. I run over 20psi daily on the thing. I run over 30psi spikes at the track. No cracks at all!

My old 7cm housing, however, was already cracked beyond repair at this point.

You keep on saying that the "GT" isn't from China, well where is it from? Prove to us that it is "the best designed best built turbo."

should I just be like SBR and just make something up? This turbos is from turbojinistan. I have pictures of the turbo that proves the innards are superior (and then post pictures of the insides of another turbo). Then I'll pretend I'm posting all of this because I have no commercial interest or vendetta against turbochargers.com, I'm doing it because I know my turbo is so good (all turbos from turbojinistan are the BEST), and I'm being a hero. I'll then refer you to my totally fake website, lie about everything on it, and then act like a hero for saving the community. LOOK, IN THE FAKE PICTURES, the MHI EVOIII's thrust bearing is REALLY MADE OF FROOT LOOPS! DON'T BUY A MHI TURBO, I HAVE SOME PICTURES! MY TURBOJINISTAN turbo's bearings are made of gold!

Like I said before, people won't believe me because the damadge has been done on this forum, I just want people to know that the site is a total fake. Period.

 

[red91gst]

should I just be like SBR and just make something up? This turbos is from turbojinistan. I have pictures of the turbo that proves the innards are superior (and then post pictures of the insides of another turbo). Then I'll pretend I'm posting all of this because I have no commercial interest or vendetta against turbochargers.com, I'm doing it because I know my turbo is so good (all turbos from turbojinistan are the BEST), and I'm being a hero. I'll then refer you to my totally fake website, lie about everything on it, and then act like a hero for saving the community. LOOK, IN THE FAKE PICTURES, the MHI EVOIII's thrust bearing is REALLY MADE OF FROOT LOOPS! DON'T BUY A MHI TURBO, I HAVE SOME PICTURES! MY TURBOJINISTAN turbo's bearings are made of gold!

Like I said before, people won't believe me because the damadge has been done on this forum, I just want people to know that the site is a total fake. Period.

You, sir, are the fake. Please stop polluting such a informative website with your unbacked and uninformed posts.

I dont have the time to correct all the posts you have made, to all that reads this, just check some of 4CTP's previous posts and you'll see what I mean.

Nate
SBR

 

[BoostedTalonTS]

Brian/4CTP

I still have the "EVO 3 GT" Turbo that you sent me... It was returned to me after UPS couldn't deliver it to your return address (you know, the return address that you printed on the original printing label that was on the package when I got it) that you provided initially.

Here's the S&H info:
Tracking: 1Z382R9V0314649713
Details via UPS:
"...THE RECEIVER CANCELED THE ORDER AND REFUSED THIS DELIVERY;PACKAGE RETURNED TO SENDER..."


Fellow DSMers:
-This was my attempt to resolve this situation with Brian, the seller of these knock-off turbos... I sent it back to the seller's address that was on the original shipping label.

It's not my fault that the seller also feels like he needs to misrepresent his own return address when selling these knock-off turbos... If I was selling ~$600 dollar turbos, I would BE SURE that my own return address was correct on the shipping label in the event that something happened with the shipment. -Now I am the one who is trying to rip him off? WTF


Brian, I am confident in PayPal's ability to resolve this issue on my behalf, so as far as we are concerned, I will get my refund... At that time, you will get your POS turbo back as I have said before, many times. -I'm tempted to pull it apart and take some pics of it myself to further illustrate SBR's findings, but that might impair my ability to receive my refund, otherwise, I would have done it already to finish your little turbo scam operation.

Good Day


DSMers:
I said it before, and I'll say it again...

WATCH OUT FOR THIS GUY!!!

Here's another interesting email from 4CTP (or may be I should say "His wife"):

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book
To: "Eben Stokes" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Evo III GT Turbo Dispute
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:20:32 -0700


workplace related embarassment? Dude, I am a construction worker, my wife owns this company. UPS isn't going to forward this package unless you call them. Talk to them-they have my business's name and address registered to Aurora CO, not Denver. This turbo will just come back to you-I don't live there anymore, man. That was my old apartment that I closed up after I got called back into the army. I don't live there, my business isn't located there.
Also, you spelled weasel wrong. I'm not refunding anything untill I have my turbo back-you're probably the con man.
----- Original Message -----
From: Eben Stokes
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Evo III GT Turbo Dispute


Then that's on you man! -I returned it to the place that it came from... I'm sure that you are probably just trying to avoid any workplace-related embarrasement by having to suck it up and admit that you got caught trying to con someone out of getting what they paid for... It I wanted the knock-off turbo, I would have paid about $208.00 for it, as that is what they were offered to others for if bought in large quantity.

Either way, this will all come back to you.. I DID read you emails that tried redirecting the turbo back to your address. But I felt safer knowing that this is going back to the same address that you have registered with ebay... See that way, I'll still be covered unter the Buyer Protection Plan. If I sent it to another address, that would void that plan's coverage. -Let me guess, That is why you wanted my to change the address.. You are a slippery little weasle, but now I'm on to you...

Refund my money, or face the consequences!!!

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Ok this has gone far enough.

Please BoostedTalonTS post this on www.vendors-reviewed.com
We don't need 2 threads on this.