Project Rally Talon???

[jmyr]

Just purchased a 2g talon tsi and I had a little fun taking it down some fire roads and through some mud holes so I've decided to make it a rally car. For awhile I've been looking for a unique project and well I think I've found it.

Anyways my plans with it are just a full 3" exhaust cai coils that will keep the ride height stock and can take the beating of dirt/gravel roads, so cool rally styling rims and throw some t/a truck tires on it, fmic, full undercarriage skid plating, front and rear steel bumpers with a winch on the front, and finally turn up the boost to about 16 psi and get it tuned. Oh and those giant mudflaps .

So right now what I need is a fmic with piping, a 3" downpipe and a manual boost controller so let me know what you've got! Also if you have any comments/suggestions let me hear them.

 

[DSM IN MN]

Well the car seems to be working well for you. I'm also one that is partial to 1gs as rally type vehicles. I have one in the form of a shell in which I plan to utilize as one, in the future of course. 1gs have something about them, a stance if you will, that makes them more ideal.

Whatever works for you though.

Edit: I just realized you're beating on the same color Talon as mine. You should be ashamed. There are so few of those color cars. You sicken me.


Just playing man.

 

[Eagle96TalonTSi]

Might want to spend your spare change on the maintenance before modifying.
Timing Belt, Pulleys, Tensioner ect. Basically everything with your timing.

Also a boost leak test, vacuum leak test, and get the car up on a lift to check the suspension. As youve learned, the 2gs have a control arm recall. When I bought mine they were both moving around in the joints. Get those fixed asap or youre gonna be doing donuts on the freeway.

GL Though! Welcome to the DSM world!

 

[Chucky_D]

I wouldn't at all compare this to a dragster that will never see a dragstrip. I'm not trying to build a all out wrc rally car or anything like that. I simply want a car that CAN rally but can also be a daily driver. I'm not gana be gutting the interior or putting a cage in it because thats way over the top for what I am going to be doing with it. I would compare what I'm doing to lifting a truck. Just because you lift your truck a few inches doesn't make it a mud bogger or rock crawler for the rest of its life. It just makes it more functional for whatever hobby the owner has.

I appreciate all the feedback so keep it coming. Also if you have any unique ideas or anything lemme hear them.

If youre not going to cage it, that pretty much rules out any rally stage races.

Look into your local SCCA for rally cross events, basically auto-x in a field and all you need is a helmet!

Oh and plan on breaking things as with any other motorsport

 

[luv2rallye]

Wasn't aware that double wishbone was bad for rallying though. Can someone explain why?

Too weak for the pounding punishment of a stage rally. Imagine what would happen to a F1 suspension if you dropped it from 4' off the ground at a 30* angle front to back and a little roll rotation. Now repeat at 80 mph with point of impact a 6-12" rout. I've driven and co-driven many stage (aka performance) rallies. I've only seen one 2g ever enter a stage rally against everone's warnings about their suspension failures. He boasted that he had reinforced all the suspension. It only lasted 2 stages before the front damper fork broke in two and control arms twisted up (even though he had reinforced them all with additional welded on steel plates). So you too have now been warned. Something to just have fun with out on country/fire roads may be ok though if the pounding doesn't get too much (relatively smooth dirt/gravel with no 6-12" pot holes/routs).

 

[jmyr]

Well the car seems to be working well for you. I'm also one that is partial to 1gs as rally type vehicles. I have one in the form of a shell in which I plan to utilize as one, in the future of course. 1gs have something about them, a stance if you will, that makes them more ideal.

Whatever works for you though.

Edit: I just realized you're beating on the same color Talon as mine. You should be ashamed. There are so few of those color cars. You sicken me.


Just playing man.

Sorry for desecrating a fellow rare colored body but I personally am not a fan of the green :-/ I will admit its slowly growing on me though Lol

Might want to spend your spare change on the maintenance before modifying.
Timing Belt, Pulleys, Tensioner ect. Basically everything with your timing.

Also a boost leak test, vacuum leak test, and get the car up on a lift to check the suspension. As youve learned, the 2gs have a control arm recall. When I bought mine they were both moving around in the joints. Get those fixed asap or youre gonna be doing donuts on the freeway.

GL Though! Welcome to the DSM world!

Yeah I'm definitely taking care of the routine maintenance before I start beating on it. I work in a shop so getting it on a lift is easy and parts come cheap. Plus one of my good buddies buys wrecked dsms and parts them out/fixes them so I get parts from him too.

About the timing belt though. My car has a 6 bolt swap which I've heard is a much more reliable engine and doesn't have as bad of a timing belt problem. I figured I'd change it anyways along with the tensioner to be safe though. Going to be putting in a boost gauge this weekend so I can monitor boost/vacuum and shortly after a AFR gauge since I'm getting it tuned.

Luv2rallye. What you did with your car is pretty much what I want to do with mine but slightly more aggressive. Btw was the light bar hard to make? And what did you mount it to?

 

[jtmcinder]

I honestly would do an AWD conversion because IMO FWD and rally don't mix.

Guess what kind of drivetrain many sanctioning bodies FORCE you to run for your first year or so? Com'on. I dare you. Guess.

sigh

 

[PotatoFlakeSTi]

Guess what kind of drivetrain many sanctioning bodies FORCE you to run for your first year or so? Com'on. I dare you. Guess.

sigh

Not to mention the British Rally Championship is exclusively FWD vehicles now.

I'm not trying to build a all out wrc rally car or anything like that.
I appreciate all the feedback so keep it coming. Also if you have any unique ideas or anything lemme hear them.

The point I was trying to make is that from a safety and regulation perspective, to actually rally, you have to have nearly all of the same safety items as an "all out WRC rally car".

And what I meant by my dragstrip comparison is that you'd never see a rally stage without a logbooked rollcage, seats, harnesses, helmet, suit etc.

Sure, it's oranges to apples but;

Playing on Public fire roads is to stage rally, what street racing is to drag racing.

 

[jtmcinder]

IMO, the way that you get started in rally is by buying a used FWD car, such as the log-booked G2 GTi that is currently for sale in MN for only $2000. (That's the best buy I've seen in years.) Just try to finish your first half-dozen events. Then, depending on whether you succeeded and how well you did, start thinking bigger.

To be blunt, most people who say (on the internet) that they are going to build their first rally car have never even worked at a real event. The cart isn't in front of the horse. They don't own a cart or a horse, yet.

If I'm wrong about the OP, then apologies. But being on all the Evo-related boards has made me sick of this sort of thing. Everybody is Ken Block. (That they even idolize Block is another bad sign; the guy can only drive courses he makes up as he goes.)

 

[luv2rallye]

Luv2rallye. Btw was the light bar hard to make? And what did you mount it to?

Not hard. I made the light bar from 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 3/16 right angle aluminum. It mounts through just 2 holes that already exist on bottom of bumper. I can send you pics, wiring, and specs if you pm me with email address that accepts 2MB of attachments.

 

[luv2rallye]

IMO, the way that you get started in rally is by buying a used FWD car, such as the log-booked G2 GTi that is currently for sale in MN for only $2000. (That's the best buy I've seen in years.) Just try to finish your first half-dozen events. Then, depending on whether you succeeded and how well you did, start thinking bigger.

Exactly. That's how I got started. Buy a used and working rally car that is already setup with all the required equipment. Otherwise you'll spend years and years building something that costs 10's of thousands of dollars and be so frustrated not getting to drive a rally the entire time. And here in the U.S. (unlike Europe) they keep changing the safety equipment requirements - every year they require something new that costs another $1000-3000 (not to mention raising entry fees 50% each year)! I've been there, done that, and was forced out along with thousands of others that just couldn't afford it anymore. Unfortuately this isn't Great Britain where they ALSO have affordable low key real performance rally events through the woods for ordinary people and ordinary similiar stock cars (not just rally cross which is all ordinary people can afford here) without all the way too expensive safety equipment requirements. (Events like [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTMHJ7xZ_VY[/ame]).