Problems....Endless Problems

[Orangeeclipsers]

Hello I am new to this forum and I have been a long time viewer. I own a Pearl orange bad ass 2g dsm and I have had it for 9 years. It has been sitting for a while But I never gave up and finally got it fixed....so I thought. Long story short I have been over 4,000 grand on this car since I first put the new motor in that was about 2009. Since 2009 I have bought new parts, towed to every shop in my area paying top dollar for labor, towing and towing and towing and still I go to start this POS this morning and it will not start. It's a non turbo and I keep seem to realize how a all-motor car can be so complex and shitty.

Excuse the rant.... 2009 was when I got a new motor put in there since then I have:

New timing belt
New valve cover gasket
endless amount of spark plugs I can't even guess how many I bought
wires, oil change, gas cleaner fuel injector cleaner
new tires
towing and towing
paying for labor for shops to work on the car
new PCM after PCM after PCM
And most recently latterly and the past month up to this morning
new spark plugs
camshaft senor
crankshaft sensor
gas cleaner
fuel injector cleaner
Pcm
fuel filter
new fuel injector
fuel pump

I am so fed up I am about to give up on my dsm dreams I want to turbo this car and make 400hp ( with supporting mods of course Trust I know and seen it all from 8 sec dsms to 0-60 in 2.8 sec evo's)
I have made want to turn this shit box into a beast but I just can't get it running again.

I eventually what to do an awd conversion and evo 8 swap but I really need some help figuring out WHY THIS CAR WON'T WORK.

The shops I have taken this car to are
RC hill mitsbishi
Meinke
s&e automotive
and another shop in orange city fl that I can't remember

Honestly I love this car it is so BAD ASS pearl orange chrome rims chrome style tail lights turbo spoiler Brand new AEM cold air intake forgot to mention that. I m piss poor emotionally and just tired is there any hop for this car before I do the unthinkable and trade it or sell it?

 

[Heartless]

If theres that much invested keep it as a gas saver and buy a different car when you can. A 4g63 car will produce more hp and more easily, let alone actually hold together...... But if your heart truely desires to do something with this car then do so, make your dreams a reality, but only when funds allow for you to do so. Good luck!

 

[Archer Fabrications]

No he really just needs to sell the car, sentiment or not. I know my car oretty damn well after 2 years and probably more than the op knows about his in 9 years. The only labor i paid for my car was machine work, and the assembily of the motor a friend of mine who used to work at a dsm shop. Everything else from there up was all me.....and this is the first car i have ever done anything mechanical on. I may be in my car $1500 labor after machining and assembily... Not including my sheptrans. Which i didn't pay anyone to install.

The dsm is not for you,
You say your on a budget but literally throw away thousands on towing and shops? Thats not how we do it Round here. It sounds to me you would be better off with a civic.

 

[Orangeeclipsers]

I have invested around 4k-5k If you remember i said that i eventurally wanted to do a eevo 8 swap and awd conversion from my caculations i'm looking at about 35k loan from a bank

First i want to build the car because i'm not going to be able to afford
that for quite some time my career.

now,

i've had the car for 10 years so i have alot of plans for it all the way to my dying day once i get home i'll share my plans with you all and hopefully you'll it to it's end

DSM For LIFE

 

[Archer Fabrications]

I have invested around 4k-5k If you remember i said that i eventurally wanted to do a eevo 8 swap and awd conversion from my caculations i'm looking at about 35k loan from a bank

First i want to build the car because i'm not going to be able to afford
that for quite some time my career.

now,

i've had the car for 10 years so i have alot of plans for it all the way to my dying day once i get home i'll share my plans with you all and hopefully you'll it to it's end

DSM For LIFE

So 35k.......
And your not buying a 2010 evoX why?

You would finally burry your endless problems with a newer evo, and could probably make 400whp easily comfortably, quietly, and with shiny mew paint and BBS rims....
Just my 2 cents. Your saying this is in stages. Butnif your taking that fat a loan out why not kist do it right the first time? If the X isnt your cup of tea you can probably get an 8 and habe 10k to dump into it, hopefully that evo wouldnt have it's run arounds of shops though.

 

[Orangeeclipsers]

I am working towards becoming an architect not a mechanic so i don't work on cars ....but i could start trying.
I'm deeply emersed in school and work i work at an architectural practice....just a little bit about me. I just know about the parts that go on a tuner car from low to high builds

10 years urban smoker.......10 years

 

[Archer Fabrications]

I am working towards becoming an architect not a mechanic so i don't work on cars ....but i could start trying.
I'm deeply emersed in school and work i work at an architectural practice....just a little bit about me. I just know about the parts that go on a tuner car from low to high builds

10 years urban smoker.......10 years

You think I'm a mechanic!?!? I was a computer repair tech for 2 years and now I'm a welder, before i was in computers i cooked on the line at resturants. You dont have to be a mechanic to do this. Just have the will power to get your hands dirty.

Okay just so you know. Anyone can buy parts for a car to try and make it fast, but maintaining and tuning is the hard part.

 

[Orangeeclipsers]

and again urban smoke my money ius not right but when it is the dsm could be right there for the evo 8 swap let's say ten years from now....get it?

 

[Bergness08]

That was so hard to read I don't even understand the point you were trying to make. Most people here aren't mechanics. Most have normal jobs just like you.

 

[greydelta38]

and again urban smoke my money ius not right but when it is the dsm could be right there for the evo 8 swap let's say ten years from now....get it?

And by that time you Eclipse will be... what, almost 20 years old? And still has almost nothing done to it? I understand what you want to do, but I have to agree with urbansmoker1... buy a newer Evo. Use that 35k loan you're talking about and buy an Evo 8 for 25k. Use the extra 10k to learn about it, buy parts, do repairs, and be a much happier person in the end. If you MUST have an Eclipse, your best option is to sell your 420a for as much as you can and buy a clean 4g63 powered 2g.

Long story short, you came to dsmtuners for advice. Well, we're giving to you. Don't throw your money out into the wind like you have been.

 

[Orangeeclipsers]

Ok i can understand that grey but there were questions about what i wanted. Remember i have had ten year to think about all the things i can do to the car with money from my career there are alot of possiblities

 

[greekgodchaos]

OP, READ ALL OF THIS, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME TYPING THIS UP:

I am a college student too, and speaking from experience, I have owned a 1999 RS 420a. She was gorgeous! Loved it! But, I too went the ebay turbo kit route, and it didn't like it one bit. I dumped SO MUCH MONEY into that project and ended up using that crap T3/T4 turbo to push a whopping 3psi! Thats right, THREE: ONE-TWO-THREE pounds of boost so that my engine didn't decide to explode on me (it was also my daily), for Dalek's sake; Civic's were faster than me! It was EMBARRASSING!

Turbocharging the 420a platform is just the WORST POSSIBLE INVESTMENT ONE CAN MAKE! Trust me! I regret ever fiddling with my old RS, I lost over $6,000 in that car alone! AND DO NOT THINK FOR A SECOND THAT AN EBAY KIT WILL BE EASY TO INSTALL OR DEAL WITH, IT JUST IS NOT. Save that money and find a 1g/2g with a 4G63 in it for cheap, then you will have 2 cars: one for speed, and one you can get great gas mileage on.

The resale value will NOT go up, and if you ever decide to sell it (no one ever thinks they will, BTDT) you are going to have a hell of a time trying to find someone to pay the price you will be asking, and no one ever wants to buy a turboed 420a due to the horrible stigma it has received over the years. Yes you can build it to the nuts and yes you can make 400whp on it, but why would you want to spend WELL over $10,000 to do it, and be stuck with FWD? The 420a WAS NEVER MEANT FOR BOOST. They are AWESOME gas sippers, and sound great with an eBay catback! ($150 shipped when I got mine!)

To finish up, if you decide to go on with your...plan...every time you pop that hood or tell someone that you turbocharged a 420a engine, they WILL look at you and they WILL ask:

"Why didn't you just get a 4G63?"

4G63 was MADE for boost, 14psi from the factory, add a meth kit and you will be seeing mad torque and 11 second 1/4' times. Its the engine that continues to spank even the newest GTR's! Its the engine of choice for those who want a fast, strong, and (if built correctly) reliable motor.

I beg you, everyone here is just trying to help you see that it is a big mistake because those who are advising AGAINST it have most likely DONE it and do not want to see a fellow member fall victim to a path only a VERY determined few have managed to navigate successfully.

In the end, it all comes down to you. But seeing as your a struggling college student who NEEDS A RELIABLE CAR on a daily basis, keep your car reliable for your own sake.

Heed our warnings, you will only regret trying to turbo that 420a. I TRULY wish I had been as knowledgeable as I am now with my Talon (BTW, I bought it for $2500, AWD, 4G63, running and all! Put around $5000 into it over the past 3 years, 25psi on a refreshed motor, drivetrain, and suspension. Nothing ever went wrong, I just wanted to refresh everything before cranking up the boost! Its my new daily driver) and I KNOW that there are cheaper DSM's for sale out there as well.

AP

English & Proper Grammar FTW'z, yoooo!

P.S.
Your transmission WILL break, you WILL push coolant, you WON'T be happy with LOW boost, and you sure as shootin' will NOT be happy when you realize that you have spent the equivalent of a beautiful Evo X MR or about 3-4 reliable 400whp DSM's, on a motor that was BUILT IN MEXICO.

P.P.S
Good luck getting that 420a STARTED.

 

[Orangeeclipsers]

Well, i guess it could be time for a change what would you suggest i do?

I guess i would be willing to trade plus cash for a 4g63.......?????......i dont know what to do now........,

ok how about this:

Like you said i'll keep this car for reliability and save for a gsx does this sound more plausible

 

[greekgodchaos]

Well, i guess it could be time for a change what would you suggest i do?

I guess i would be willing to trade plus cash for a 4g63.......?????......i dont know what to do now........,

That is a very good start. Check craigslist, the classifieds here, stay local. Buying used cars is always a gamble, but if you know what to look for, then you at least won't get taken for a ride.

When checking out a 4g63:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/frequently-answered-dsm-questions/238710-dsm-used-car-buyers-guide.html

DSM buying tips

Buying a Used DSM - Mitsubishi, Eagle, Chrysler | eBay

Knowledge is power, and you can never have an excess of it, ESPECIALLY when money is involved. Take the time to learn, and you will be rewarded with confidence and peace of mind. These cars are not as complex as one might think, and once you truly understand the inner workings of your car, it all becomes a piece of cake when troubleshooting time rolls along.

ok how about this:

Like you said i'll keep this car for reliability and save for a gsx does this sound more plausible

You have just taken your first step to DSM success my friend. Welcome to the light.

 

[Orangeeclipsers]

ok first thing i must do is get this fuel problem solved the shop i took the car from on the 28th agreed to tow the car to it's shop and redo what they did (because the car ####ed up on the 29th). After i get myself out of this mess I'll start saving for a gsx I'm looking to save around 8k hopefully around 2014 summer i'll have it, but i'm not sure if i want to trade my current eclipse or sell it yet

 

[greydelta38]

Well, i guess it could be time for a change what would you suggest i do?

I guess i would be willing to trade plus cash for a 4g63.......?????......i dont know what to do now........,

ok how about this:

Like you said i'll keep this car for reliability and save for a gsx does this sound more plausible

Now you understand what I've been trying to tell you all day

If you can get your car running, your best bet would be to save up for a 4g63.

We're not trying to screw with you, man. We honestly think your life will be a ton easier this way. And you'll have a fatter wallet, with money to blow on your 4g.

And saving 8 grand for a GSX??? That's a little overkill. Shoot closer to 5 and find a clean STOCK gsx to play with and make it your own.

 

[stephen_gst]

jsut keep staying on craigslist... something will pop up!

 

[Orangeeclipsers]

i'm up to it and focusing now on trying to stay focused on getting the gsx after i deal with this rs. It is going to be a while to come up with the money if i could get one for 5k that would be great and faster

 

[boost97gst]

I just picked up one that needed a couple little things, nothing big, for 900 bucks. Its got a fresh engine in it. Verified that. Theyre out there. If i had to do it all over again, i would have spent 5k on a super clean stock 97-99gsx. When you look to buy make sure you go down the checklist and try to find one without a hacked up wiring harness. Look under the dash, thats where the kids do the most damage with shitty alarms and "turbo timers", what a joke.
Ive posted enough in here, too much. I wish you the best of luck in getting the current one up n going and in the future finding a clean awd. Dont pass up the autos! you can usually find them way cheaper cause no one wants them.

 

[craig4g63]

Orangeeclipsers:


1. Pay more attention in your English courses at school. Educated and well respected members on here use proper sentence structure and grammar when typing a post. You will be taken much more seriously if you can use the English language properly. Typo's here and there are of course acceptable.

2. Respected members will not continue to respond to your rants if you continually state the same incoherent information over and over. List the exact symptoms you are experiencing to receive proper help. It took far too long from your original rant to get any useful information out of you describing the problem.

3. Group the responses you receive and listen to the feedback. If you have several members suggesting a direction to proceed, follow it or don't post. The point of asking a question is to listen and implement. If you know how to proceed, do that, but don't argue. That is pointless.

 

[Orangeeclipsers]

are you the chief of grammar police or something?
8D

and where did you come from with all this "well respected member" stuff is there some kind of hierarchy or something.........

ok...ok

I'll be sure to watch my spelling and sentence structure .........

Hell, i get lazy and i type fast so i just go with it sorry about that.

 

[craig4g63]

Chief of grammar police - This reference is always used by uneducated people in an attempt to deflect cause. The fact that I pointed out your consistent run-on sentences and strewn together muddled thoughts does not make me the grammar police. I'm simply stating the reality of your posts.

Hierarchy of respected members - There is no hierarchy per say, but in general you will only get people like yourself responding to these types of threads (you do not want this) if you post in the manner you do. What you do want is people who are knowledgeable to respond so you can suck off of the information teat.

 

[Bergness08]

I know we aren't supposed to remind others of the rules, but I haven't been able to understand half of what the OP has tried to say. Sooo..

Rule #5: Use proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation when posting in our Tech Forums - don't use texting/instant messaging lingo here. This isn't an English class, but we demand that you at least make an attempt or your posts will be deleted. Internet Explorer users should download IEspell or just use Firefox since it has spell check built-in.

Thanks!

And yes, there is a hierarchy here. Pull your head out before the people that know the most and are most likely able to help you decide you're not worth their time.

 

[Orangeeclipsers]

Well i kow for sure bergness your not woth my time so.... you can reply to someone else's problems cause i'm not listening.

Could you understand that?

 

[BurrowZ]

This thread. I can't even.

Just out of curiosity OP I want to know. Say you find a bone stock, 100k-ish mileage 95 GSX, same color as yours just for kicks. Body is mint etc etc. Anyway, please tell me step by step what your plans would be to meet your 400whp goal. We're also assuming it's a manual trans.

 

[Phantom DSM]

This thread. I can't even.

No , actually this thread
Seriously in 10 years evos will be less than 10k to buy, even now evo 8 2003 can be had for 14k. It will take too much money to make your 420a fast and is not cost effecient to do so. I know i sound rude man, but just fix your eclipse 420a to daily drive it and you could get that bank loan later to buy a gsx or evo and drop the money to build it. Seriously, everyone has already suggested this to you, best of luck