plz help me decide if i should upgrade my rs or just buy a gsx or gst

[siueclipse]

Originally posted by BakerGSX
Finally you have not explained if your such a 420a supporter then why were you trying to buy a 1G AWD on ebay??? Just curious.

errr.. me? a 1g? ... sorry bud, i hate those.. i was only looking for parts for a buddy's car.


TURBO THE RS!! heheh

 

[DSMNightmare]

Actually I saw it too James, it was a red 1G and it was the whole car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2422335746

 

[DSMNightmare]

BTW man he already said he is getting a GST. So the topic is pretty much closed.

 

[siueclipse]

oh.. nope.. sorry man. that was doug using my ebay account by accident cause he was on my machine.

you guys need to stop thinking that you know everything

 

[Initial DSM]

Damn RSTwnnabe, no response? I thought I posted some pretty good finds from dsmtrader and autotrader for you , much cheaper than the one youre thinking of buying. Even got me a little interested...

 

[BakerGSX]

Originally posted by siueclipse
oh.. nope.. sorry man. that was doug using my ebay account by accident cause he was on my machine.

you guys need to stop thinking that you know everything

Surrrree Looks like we have a closet 4G63'er

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by siueclipse
oh.. nope.. sorry man. that was doug using my ebay account by accident cause he was on my machine.

you guys need to stop thinking that you know everything

Honestly, I saw it because I was looking at 1G AWDs myself for a friend and just happend to notice your name on the bid history. Personally I don't care, I just thought it was funny.

Initial DSM Prices on 4Gs are dropping pretty nice. If you look (which you have you can find them cheap! I guess its because of the latest F&F movie everyone now thinks that you don't need a turbo to be fast just Z3 focus and some stickers and your set. Oh well let the morons waste thier money.... I like to think of it as natural selection

 

[RSTwnnabe]

Yes, i know the blocks are jsut hunks of metal, but when they first built the 420A, they werent even remotly thinking of turbocharging it, therefore i jsut forsee many prblms and muh more money in the long run for me, which at this point isnt the path i shold be taking, with school and such. And as far as those links, they didnt work! AHHH i was wanting to look at those, BUT, this GSt here has 120k on it, and trading my RS and 2g's for it, good deal? or not? it has ractive exhaust, titned windows, keyless entry, an alarm, and rims, and a filter..just lil stuff, but the thing is, its i GREAT shape, and only 10 minites from my house
if u can send me those links thru email or osmething, ill look at those tho,its just teh fact that i dont have to sell my car, i can just trade it and its alot less of a hassle.
DAve

 

[Initial DSM]

Bah, they work for me those links.
Just go to autotrader and type in the year (95-99)
make (mitsu - duh)
and price range 0 - 6500
plus your zip and how far in miles you want to check (I put any)

Then go to dsmtrader and check those. I found better ones on that site.

 

[Initial DSM]

i say buy that 11 sec mirage sleeper, win alot of races and buy a 6 bolt modded gsx with ther prize money you'll win.

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by RSTwnnabe
Yes, i know the blocks are jsut hunks of metal, but when they first built the 420A, they werent even remotly thinking of turbocharging it, therefore i jsut forsee many prblms and muh more money in the long run for me, which at this point isnt the path i shold be taking, with school and such. And as far as those links, they didnt work! AHHH i was wanting to look at those, BUT, this GSt here has 120k on it, and trading my RS and 2g's for it, good deal? or not? it has ractive exhaust, titned windows, keyless entry, an alarm, and rims, and a filter..just lil stuff, but the thing is, its i GREAT shape, and only 10 minites from my house
if u can send me those links thru email or osmething, ill look at those tho,its just teh fact that i dont have to sell my car, i can just trade it and its alot less of a hassle.
DAve

Dave I understand that this is YOUR OPINION about the block. They also were not even remotely thinking of turbochargig when they designed the 4g63 block. That's what I am telling you. I understand that you are going GST and that's cool. I am stating for the benefit of other members now when I say that neither block was designed to be turbo or non turbo. They were both designed to be engine blocks, and weather they would one day carry a turbo was not even a thought when they designed these blocks. Blocks are designed to carry internal parts, they are not designed for turbo or non turbo. The 4g63 was designed long ago before turbo chargers were as widely used on cars as they are now. So the engineers who designed the 4g63 were not designing it to be used with turbo. I would also like to point out that the 420a head was designed by lotus, and the block was designed to be a racing block. Again not designed for turbo or non turbo, just designed for a racing enviroment. (the block for the racing programs was of different material build than your average iron 420a block) I do not know the design origion of the 4g63 though. I just want to be sure that everyone knows THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH THE BLOCK IN THE 420A HOLDING BOOST. THERE IS ALSO NO DESIGN ENHANCEMENT IN EITHER BLOCK THAT MAKES IT BETTER FOR BOOST THAN THE OTHER. I will repeat again, the ONLY REASON the stock 4g63 will hold more HP than a stock 420A is because of the different internal parts. IE stronger pistons and rods. The only BLOCK issue you would have with any motor would be when an internal part screws it up. (like throwing a rod through the block) or warping it due to HG issues.

 

[Initial DSM]

Kirby, please clear up an issue for me on the subject of "oil squirters on 4G63, no oil squirters on 420a's" , because I get that alot from anti 420a turbo people.

 

[RSTwnnabe]

Yeh that makes sense, and i have heard that lotus designed the 420A motor or wahtever, ddi they do the 4g63 motor too? yeh the only reason as of now im not turboing my Rs is just i dont want to deal with it anymore, and i jsut want to prety much run a fast, stock car for now, without constantly modding shtuff....for now
Dave

 

[RSTsoon]

It'll break, stock or not, your gonna get a heavy foot one day and break something.

 

[RSTwnnabe]

Yeh but theres one thing your missing, say i break a rod, well im beting the stock rod is less expensive than your crower rods, or wahtever you may get, and u cant tell me tht a rebuilt engine is guna be meant for long life, how many engines with aftermarket parts last 100k or more? not many, why? because race parts arent meant to last long, theyre meant for speed and power, not long life of like thousands of miles. chances are ill still be on my stock bottome end by the time you rebuild your internals twice
just an opinion
DAve

 

[Initial DSM]

well your opinion is wrong.

 

[RSTsoon]

I lost IQ points reading that....rebuild twice before you break?

 

[RSTwnnabe]

ok, i want you guys to tell me honestly if JE pistons and Crower rods are meant for long life, or if they are meant for race engines? thats waht im saying, when u rebuild an engine, does it really last as long as a stock engine? not usually. get me now? all im saying is you dont see as many high performance cars running around that are reliable, and last 100k...is my opinion still wrong? all im saying is most race cars arent reliable. period. they arent meant to be. they are meant for speed, and speed usually breaks stuff. dont tell me thats wrong.
Dave

 

[Initial DSM]

Originally posted by RSTwnnabe
ok, i want you guys to tell me honestly if JE pistons and Crower rods are meant for long life, or if they are meant for race engines? thats waht im saying, when u rebuild an engine, does it really last as long as a stock engine? not usually. get me now? all im saying is you dont see as many high performance cars running around that are reliable, and last 100k...is my opinion still wrong? all im saying is most race cars arent reliable. period. they arent meant to be. they are meant for speed, and speed usually breaks stuff. dont tell me thats wrong.
Dave

Ok I wont tell you thats wrong.

Are you serious?? You think Mitsubishi would actually afford to throw in High performance parts (get it - HIGH performance) and still be able to sell their cars to the average buyer?? Or how about the SRT-4 that uses MOPAR parts in their cars? Please. Dont insult the friendly advice we've given you with your ignorance. Anything will break if you beat on it, stock or aftermarket. It all depends on the user and the quality of how its put together. Have you ever seen stock internals up close compared to aftermarket? Take a look at Crower rods or Pauter rods compared to stock - night and day. Those things look indestructible. Fact is, race engines break only because the drivers are pushing their cars to the extreme limit and they can afford to rebuild it if it does. If YOU are mainly daily driving and in occasion , street race here and there, your FINE. Twice as much more than stock. Youve completly ignored the advice Kirby and the rest has given you. Im disgusted. Go buy a lemon.

 

[legaleagle]

see wannabe, you tell them you are going to get a car that was meant for a turbo and they quickly turn on you. Who the hell cares which one he is getting, stop argueing over it already, he has made up his mind and thats it. Why do people have to degrade him and try to persuad him from getting something he wants. It is his money and let him spend it how he feels.

RSTwannabe, good luck with you car, I am sure you will enjoy it.

 

[Initial DSM]

I dont care which one he's getting. Did you bother to see how many links I found for him for gst's and gsx's at a much cheaper price than he found? But for him to say a stock engine with 100k on it will last longer than a rebuilt engine with forged internals? C'mon. I wish him good luck too, but thats just plain ignorance.

 

[RSTsoon]

^^Agreed

 

[RSTwnnabe]

Ignorance? i think not, its your opinion ..but id liek you to find me a rebuilt engine with 100k on it! then you can prove me wrong. u even said so yourself, these rebuilt engines are made to be pushed, therefore, they DO break, therefore being LESS reliable...see im being realistic, yes i have a job, but i dont have the money to be replacing parts here and there. therefore i get the GST, its stock, yet fast. so dont tell me your disgusted, because u know nothing of the situation. And the car is a 97, which is newer than the ones you sent me, plus, it came form total eclipse in red bud, which is a gateway DSM member, so i know its a clean car. Id rather spend a little more now and know what im getting, than go get a car that i know nothing about woulnt you? and all im doing is offering my opinon in all this, and u freaking attack me? isnt this a DSM board? i mean arent we here to helpo eachother? im disgusted , go buy a lemon? wow good advice...so whos so ignorant here? its sad when you come here to discuss things and see other peoples point of view, and all you get is flack for it. now do you see where im coimng from. So next time just watch waht you say becuase i didnt say anything to offend you, and u cant tell me when im wrong that a rebuilt RACE engine doesnt last as long as a stock engine. im not trying to stir up fights here, i thougth this board is a place you can come to talk about stuff, not get shot down. and RSTsoon, u can agree with whomever you want, i wish you luck with turboing your car, i hope you dont come across alotta problems, and i hope you have the hookup for some cheap labor becasue your going to need it. but dont just post a message saying you agree when you arent trying to learn anything here, it sounds like your just trying to start a fight. seriously, no hard feelings guys, lets not loos sight of what message boards are suppost to be about. Helping your fellow DSMer.
DAve

 

[Initial DSM]

Oh to be young and naive again.

Take a look at both of those long posts Kirby sent you. Read them again. And again. And again. When he took the time and effort to try to teach you, and you basically come back with those statements, its just to me like it went through one ear and out the other. When I first got started in these cars, I asked the same questions you did. Over and Over. My friends used to eventually get pissed after giving advice to me which I didnt seem to want to listen to. I didnt understand why back then but now from this I see why. Youre not listening to a word we've said. If you want a GST, great I'm all for it. I had one too. I also have a gsx, two of them. And an RS. I've rebuilt my gsx engine. Im having a friend build a engine for my rs. This is like Kirby said - a new engine. Forged Internals are stronger and can take more abuse than stock internals. I used 2G pistons on my gsx engine. Why? Because its stronger than 1g pistons. I used 1g rods as opposed to 2g rods. Why? Because they are stronger. If i had more $ at the time, I would have gotten JE pistons and Crower rods, because they are stronger. Stronger lasts longer. ARP head studs are stronger than stock head studs. An HKS head gasket is less likely to blow than a stock head gasket. I hope youre paying attention. When you bore an engine, you remove all the damage done to the cylinder walls from the years of abuse the car has gone through. When you use forged internals, you are basically in theory "bulletproofing" the engine. I said what I said before, because no engine is indestructible, but many a racer would of course rather race with a rebuilt engine as opposed to a stock - its safer. Now keep in mind, im not biasing this to 420a, you see I own and am talking about GSX, so like Kirby said, it doesnt matter. A block is a block. They are NOT less reliable than stock. Im not attacking you, but you have to understand, you started this thread for help, and thats what weve done. More power to you if you get the gst. My opinions are mine and yours are yours, but please dont make general statements of which you clearly have no concept of, especially when James and Kirby and the others have clearly tried to explain it to you over and over. Also, 4G63 owners, please do not take this as an attack or a desperate attempt at defending the 420a. His comment just doesnt make sense. a rebuilt engine will last longer than a stock engine whatever the engine - 4G63 or 420A. Period.

BTW - Im not biased to either car. I own both. I think through time, the majority of people will start to see what Kirby, Motofool, and the rest of us already know. That both blocks are great platforms to work on. Were just trying to clear up the common misconceptions that always come up. Every serious 4G63 tuner eventually rebuilds their engine as does every 420a tuner. Its bound to happen, these cars are almost over 10 years now. Good luck.

 

[siueclipse]

im biased.. turbo the rs!

hahah