plz help me decide if i should upgrade my rs or just buy a gsx or gst

[RSTwnnabe]

Well, back to square one for me, ive been looking all day and not having any luck finding anything in the 9k price range, i will settle for a GST, but i cant find any with less than 90k! also i am hoping to get rid of my RS for at lest 5k, but if i cant, then i guess ill have to keep it, at which point i will just turbo it! AROUND in circles it is for me! so back to my main question, and im leting you guys know this again, what i am looking for outta this!!!!:
A RELIABLE ENGINE, rebuilt, and turbocharged.
ALSO, i dont want this 500 hp race machine, id be happy with a mid 14 second car, that ISNT guna break down. So if i were to et my bottom end built by James and his crew, and use this Garret turbo kit i may be able to get from a freind, do u think this is possible? i REALLY just want a dependable daily driver that can low the doors off a mustang, but not something thats guna be a money pit. so TURBO THE RS, or BUY A 4G63..............
thanks guys
Dave

 

[DSMNightmare]

What is your limitations beside 9K in cash? What type of miles are you looking for?

 

[RSTwnnabe]

well thats the thing, i dont know how reliable the 4g63 motor is, or the turbo setup on it, i understand the turbo is a t-25 or something, yeh i dont know much about the GST's, so i dont know if buying a car with 100k+ is a bad idea......
Dave

 

[RSTsoon]

mmm...or you could keep the rs...and rebuild the bottom end and start off fresh.

 

[DSMNightmare]

I bought my first 95 talon 4G63 with 118 thousand miles on it and it now has 140K on it. The big thing is too be able to see what shape the motor and engine are in when you look at the car for the first time. If you think you are really interested in the car dont be afraid to have a compression test or leak down test done. The 4G motors are VERY reliable just as most imports are as long as they are taken care of. I would not be afraid to buy a 4G63 with 120K as long as the car was clean and the compression test checked out. Also think about doing a carfax before you purchase. Don't be afraid to look for a 4G in your area because I found mine in the area and I paid a lot less than 9K for it. Honestly for what I paid for the car it could crankwalk tomorrow and I would not care because I can put a built 6bolt longblock in it and still have spent less than 9K for it. Like I said try these sites.

www.dsmtrader.com
www.autotrader.com
www.cars.com

Don't be afraid to drive for a good deal. I drove 6 hours for my 97 and it was worth it. Also while the eclipse is a very beautiful car, but it is highly overrated. An eclipse of the exact same year with the exact same options will tend to blue book for 1000 bucks more than a Talon. Granted they do look different but you are getting the exact same car for the most part.

 

[Initial DSM]

im having someone build a 2.4 bottom end with 60-1 trim turbo kit with ported head for my rs. Hopefully I'll have it done by the end of summer.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by Initial DSM
im having someone build a 2.4 bottom end with 60-1 trim turbo kit with ported head for my rs. Hopefully I'll have it done by the end of summer.

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[Initial DSM]

oh. My point was its costing me under 4k for reference to the person who posted the thread. thats all.

 

[RSTwnnabe]

RSTsoon, the only reason I am staying away from building my RS now, is that yeh you can spend 3 grand on a howell rebuild kit, which is waht i was going to do, but even then u have your block. those blocks arent meant for forced induction, so u can have new internals, but the block will still be used. As for only spending for grand for a turbo and rebuild, yeh its a good deal, but im starting to see that only spending like 2 extra ganrd and buying a GST is more cost effective, yes the car may be stock, but its already fast, your starrting out wit ha car with 210 horses, as opposed to 140 ...while i have the money to rebuild te RS, i think that building a non toubo car for somethign its not, is very expensive, and u cant be as fast, as cheap or easy. And yeh im wiling to drive for the GSt, the only other thing im concerend about is insurance rates well ill keep you guys posted, if anyone else has any input itd be great. Oh yeh! i found a GSt here (white one with lots of "FAST AND FURIOUS " sitckers ) but it is 6500 bucks!, the downside is that it has 120K on it, i heard that the turbo (t-25) isnt reliable after that, and that it is about shot....any help?
Dave

 

[DSMNightmare]

T25s are a dime a dozen. You can prolly find someone to pay you to take thiers. Seriously when the T25 goes you can slap a T28 on there and your good to go.

 

[DSMNightmare]

BTW My T25 lasted all the way to 136K and it had zero shaft play. The only reason it came off is because I put the 20G on.

 

[Initial DSM]

Originally posted by RSTwnnabe
RSTsoon, the only reason I am staying away from building my RS now, is that yeh you can spend 3 grand on a howell rebuild kit, which is waht i was going to do, but even then u have your block. those blocks arent meant for forced induction, so u can have new internals, but the block will still be used. As for only spending for grand for a turbo and rebuild, yeh its a good deal, but im starting to see that only spending like 2 extra ganrd and buying a GST is more cost effective, yes the car may be stock, but its already fast, your starrting out wit ha car with 210 horses, as opposed to 140 ...while i have the money to rebuild te RS, i think that building a non toubo car for somethign its not, is very expensive, and u cant be as fast, as cheap or easy. And yeh im wiling to drive for the GSt, the only other thing im concerend about is insurance rates well ill keep you guys posted, if anyone else has any input itd be great. Oh yeh! i found a GSt here (white one with lots of "FAST AND FURIOUS " sitckers ) but it is 6500 bucks!, the downside is that it has 120K on it, i heard that the turbo (t-25) isnt reliable after that, and that it is about shot....any help?
Dave

If youre spending 3 grand on a howell rebuild kit that means you are buying a rebuilt crate block without core which is basically a new engine.
Also the extra 400 from the 3000 can be used to port your head. Or save more money buy getting the block from Vtengines ofr Gottude.com. And why are you even considering this if youre not getting a gsx? Get a gsx or keep your rs and turbo it and keep low insurance.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Why not get a GST? Like I said the Mitsu motor is very reliable over 100K.

 

[redwards]

Originally posted by DSMNightmare
BTW My T25 lasted all the way to 136K and it had zero shaft play. The only reason it came off is because I put the 20G on.

My T-25's turbine wheel smacked into the exhaust housing and seized the turbo up at about 78,000 miles....a week after I bought the car.

 

[Initial DSM]

Originally posted by DSMNightmare
Why not get a GST? Like I said the Mitsu motor is very reliable over 100K.

Im not questioning that, I know it is mine has 135K, its that he's saying a rebuilt 420a isnt which is untrue, plus he's gonna eventually want to rebuild the 4G63 anyway, (granted he doesnt have too but you know) and why pay the higher insurance if youre not awd?

 

[RSTsoon]

Originally posted by RSTwnnabe
RSTsoon, the only reason I am staying away from building my RS now, is that yeh you can spend 3 grand on a howell rebuild kit, which is waht i was going to do, but even then u have your block. those blocks arent meant for forced induction, so u can have new internals, but the block will still be used. As for only spending for grand for a turbo and rebuild, yeh its a good deal, but im starting to see that only spending like 2 extra ganrd and buying a GST is more cost effective, yes the car may be stock, but its already fast, your starrting out wit ha car with 210 horses, as opposed to 140 ...while i have the money to rebuild te RS, i think that building a non toubo car for somethign its not, is very expensive, and u cant be as fast, as cheap or easy. And yeh im wiling to drive for the GSt, the only other thing im concerend about is insurance rates well ill keep you guys posted, if anyone else has any input itd be great. Oh yeh! i found a GSt here (white one with lots of "FAST AND FURIOUS " sitckers ) but it is 6500 bucks!, the downside is that it has 120K on it, i heard that the turbo (t-25) isnt reliable after that, and that it is about shot....any help?
Dave

howells bottom end kit is 1100...
http://www.howellautomotive.com/How...uct_info.php?cPath=142_38_174&products_id=519

 

[siueclipse]

rebuild the bottom end.. happy boosting

 

[RSTwnnabe]

yes the kit is only 1100, i was almost ready to oreder it, but your not thinking 1. cost of labor, 2. headwork 3. the price of a turbo kit, and exhaust! plus, even when you rebuild your internals, like i said, its still your old, used block, that block still has 100k on it when u rebuild it. it seems cheaper just to buy a gst , plus what if u spend all the money on turboing the RS, and then somehting goes wrong with the block, bang your out that money, u need a new lock, then u need to pay MORE labor money to swap out the internals of the car again. Im 17, and i dont have money coming out my a$$, so im just thinkig logically. peace
DAve

 

[RSTwnnabe]

And the only reason im not getting a GSX is that i cant find one for les than 10 grand!!! let alone when i find one, they are so freaking rare! im only 17, os i dont have that mad cash flow. trust me if i coud afford a GSX i would, but this deal with the GSt, its only 6500 bucks, so i thought that was a good deal, but thats just me.
DAve

 

[siueclipse]

well, you dont need to rebuild your head, or do any head work to it at all. since you wont be building your head or putting in cams, it would be best to leave the head alone and just do the bottom end.

your block that you have right now will be just fine man. there wont be any problems with it. the cylinders will be bored .20 over and thats it. just because the block has a lot of miles on it doesn't mean its bad in any way.

rebuild kit: 1100
turbo kit: 3000 (star)
labor: maybe 1000 for everything
-- smoking a gst and/or gsx: priceless

 

[siueclipse]

here is another thing....

lets say you do get a gst or gsx.. youll want to start building it up, i bet you a bizzilion dollars.

furthermore... i wouldn't sell your car and buy a gst.. its not worth it compared to what you have already. if you find a cheap gsx then maybe, but your car will be faster than a stock gst or gsx if you do this build on your yours.

also.. just because its a gst or gsx doesn't mean that it wont have problems with horsepower or the dreaded crankwalk.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Crankwalk is not as common of a problem as people would think. Of the 100 or so people with DSMs that I know of I only 2 have walked and they were both laying over 400hp when they did, not that that matters. Oh yeah and there was one guy who did it bone stock but that is a rare case. As far as stock GSX vs 420a I would say yeah the built 420a would have the win there BUT. James said he ran a 9.3 in the 1/8th with the setup he has now. I ran a 9.7 on my stock TSI AWD and the only thing I had done was a cone filter and a 2.5" cat back. NO boost controller, STOCK clutch, no other speed mods. I am hoping to see low 9s high 8s before I even touch the stock T25. Car should run like a raped ape when I'm done.

 

[Initial DSM]

A friend of mine sold his GS (turbo'd) for a GST, but that was only because he found a good deal on it with a 6 bolt motor and his GS was auto. So now he can confidently build his car to the max if he wanted to without worrying about crankwalk or such.

 

[siueclipse]

mike.. i ran a 9.03

not a 9.3

turbo the GS!!!! dont give in to the dark side hehehehe

 

[DSMNightmare]

You ran a 9.03 with the hood off and the cone sticking out the top. At least thats what your thread said.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62528

Like I said, I am running almost bone stock. I will most likely beat the time you ran when you had the 16G on there though