Please critique this setup.

[DSMCosmo]

After much research and debate this is what I plan on going. In hopes for my 98' GSX. I know there are other parts I can replace such as the UDP/Wires/Plugs and the works but for the performance parts this is my wishlist.

This is for a street/daily driver. Bash me all you want I understand, this is why I'm posting it here.


My Final setup.

This is what I have decided to go. How does it look

Intake - Dejon Tool CIP-2gM 100$
BoV - Tial 225$
Boost Controller - Hallman Evo RX MBC 220$
Exhaust - Apexi N1 - 630$
Fuel Pump - Walboro 255 250$
Turbo - GT35R 1300$
Water Injection - Coolingmist deluxe 300$
Cams - HKS 272/272 550$
Piggyback system - DSMLink 600$
Intercooler - DV/DT Fab 2G FMIC KIT 1200$
Fuel Pressure Regulator - Aeromotive AFPR 150$
Downpipe - Megan Racing 230$
Injectors - Denso 880cc 500$
Clutch - ACT2600 400$
Wastegate - Tial 40mm 230$
Flywheel - Fidanza 450$


Total - 7500$

But I bet I'll be around 400hp


Thanks for the help!

Edited:

GM Maf - 150$
Wideband - AEM UEGO Wideband Gauge Kit 620$

All these prices I got from DMSTUNERS.COM parts catalog, which they even state are ABOVE average. So this would be the most I'd spend, minus hook-ups/deals/used etc.

The Turbo I still want to stay with the GT35R just incase I want to raise the power, I mean I can get a FPGreen for the same price as the GT35R so why not go with a bigger turbo?

 

[92awddsm]

You need to add a gm maf and maft to that list or you will be on here just like everyone else wanting to know why the car stalls or runs rich when shifting.

 

[drivemusicnow]

My Final setup.

Intake - Dejon Tool CIP-2gM 100$
BoV - Tial 225$
Boost Controller - Hallman Evo RX MBC 220$
Exhaust - Apexi N1 - 630$
Fuel Pump - Walboro 255 250$
Turbo - GT35R 1300$
Water Injection - Coolingmist deluxe 300$
Cams - HKS 272/272 550$
Piggyback system - DSMLink 600$
Intercooler - DV/DT Fab 2G FMIC KIT 1200$
Fuel Pressure Regulator - Aeromotive AFPR 150$
Downpipe - Megan Racing 230$
Injectors - Denso 880cc 500$
Clutch - ACT2600 400$
Wastegate - Tial 40mm 230$
Flywheel - Fidanza 450$


Total - 7500$

But I bet I'll be around 400hp


Thanks for the help!

Lets go throught this piece by piece. (better to look at "systems" in a car rather than single parts)

My first thing would be that you're going too big on somethings for your goals. The GT35 is a 600+ hp turbo. If you're looking to put down 400 hp, get a FPgreen, GT30, etc. Much more "streetable" that way as well.

Walbro 255HP should only be about 100$, 120 MAX not 250.
Denso 880ccs are a good choice, but high price again with those.
Good choice with the aeromotive FPR

Fidanza flyhweel is only 200 from a site vendor and 240 or so from most places. (who the heck are you getting these prices from?)
ACT2600 works

Your intake pipe is fine, new filter is fine, but Tial BOV... no need. Especially because it will make your car run like crap as mentioned by the above poster, unless you spend another 250$ on a MAFT system.

I would definietly invest in a Wideband O2 sensor for tuning. It will make your life much easier and will keep you from blowing anything up. I would leave the cooling mist setup off until after you have built the rest of the car and get to the point where you NEED it to make more power.


I dunno why but that really does not seem like 7500$ to me...

 

[DSMCosmo]

Yea, Thanks for the advice, I thought that I would need a MAF/MAFT setup but was not sure.

Do I really need a wideband though?

I want to stay with the GT35R only because if I want to go for more power I could, FPGreen I could get for the same price as the GT35R.

I know the order I'm going to go, at least I feel I should, Turbo/Water Inject/Clutch/Flywheel will be the last.

I'm going to do the Fuel System, Air System (exhaust/mani's etc), then engine work, cams, then turbo, then clutch/flywheel, and finally water injection.

Again the 7500$ I know it won't be that much, most likely I could get all these parts for 5000-5500$

 

[DSMark]

Well if you want to do your own tuning and want to be very accurate then yeah you need a wideband. And if your goal is 400 whp then you really don't need to go that big with the turbo. Sounds like a nice list, you might want to throw in some suspension parts and a good set of tires to that list though.

 

[spoolup]

When going the route of the MAFT and DSMlink, you will notice on the link boards that the MAFT displays "off" airflow figures. There are 2 ways to calibrate it, 1 is with the use of a external boost monitoring source and the other is with a wideband. The wideband method will work but the extrenal source method is superior. I have the ext boost source method on my car with a GM 3.3bar delphi sensor (with pigtail and sensor will cost between 75-120, or you can go AEM 3.5 bar or 5 bar sensor for a bit more). As for as wideband, I like the PLX m300 (saving for it now) it can repalce the stock 1v sensor and still log via DSMlink the WB 5V output. plus it cheaper, works, and can monitor down to 10:1 AF ratios.

I also agree on the 50 or 60 trim turbo setup, more than sufficant for your needs. More streetable. And I would go the route of a full garrett if you can, which will require you to replace the mani and o2 housing.

Last with the aeromotive regulator you will also have to rememeber the things like hose, fittings, adapters, orings, FP gauge, ect. It makes it a more the $150 project FAST.

 

[DSMCosmo]

Righteo then, Wideband it is. I'll most surely look into the external source method also but I might not buy a sensor. Most likely bring it to my local shop down here and have them help me out.

Yea I've been reading on Suspensions/Tires etc, but I don't want to fload myself as of yet. I want to get the engine completed first before I go for style/looks/handling at the moment.

I plan on babing the car until I get all the kinks and glitchs worked out and work done to it.

Yea, I'm still debating on the Turbo's. Only because I know how I am and what I've done with my Honda. I always want more.

My Mani's/O2 housing I plan to just port them out, would this not be sufficient enough? or do I really need to swap them out?

Yes, hose's/gaskets and the likes I've already compesated for, I just didn't fill like writing all the gauges and gadgets down since they really aren't what I'm worried about as performance wise.

I am def. looking into a Pillar Gauge setup to show me EGT/Oil Pressure/Boost.

 

[ilikespeeding]

Intake - Dejon Tool CIP-2gM 100$
BoV - Tial 225$
Wideband 02 - Boost guage -EGT guage
Boost Controller - Hallman Evo RX MBC 220$
Exhaust - Apexi N1 - 630$
Walboro 255 LPH HP - AFPR - Eprom ECU swap - DSMLink - 720 cc injectors
FMIC w/ piping
Turbo - Big Evo 16G
Water / Alcohol Injection
Cams - HKS 272/272 550$
Downpipe - Megan Racing 230$
Clutch - ACT2600 400$




Id keep the stock flywheel for nice launches. The bold-italics are what changed. Oh, remember to do maintanice first.

 

[92awddsm]

Intake - Dejon Tool CIP-2gM 100$
BoV - Tial 225$
Wideband 02 - Boost guage -EGT guage
Boost Controller - Hallman Evo RX MBC 220$
Exhaust - Apexi N1 - 630$
Walboro 255 LPH HP - AFPR - Eprom ECU swap - DSMLink - 720 cc injectors
FMIC w/ piping
Turbo - Big Evo 16G
Water / Alcohol Injection
Cams - HKS 272/272 550$
Downpipe - Megan Racing 230$
Clutch - ACT2600 400$




Id keep the stock flywheel for nice launches. The bold-italics are what changed. Oh, remember to do maintanice first.

He said he wanted 400 awhp. He didnt say he wanted to struggle to get there. The evo3 might get him there but it will take lots of fine tuning and headache. Then, if he decides he wants more, he has to buy another turbo to do that. I prefer to go with the larger turbo and have 400 on pump gas, not race fuel. You show me someone running 400+awhp on pump with a 16g daily and I will retract my statement.

EDIT: and why do you have to a stock flywheel for a good launch? My last trip to the track netted me 1.67 60' with a fidanza at 5500 rpm and on all season radials.

 

[ilikespeeding]

He said he wanted 400 awhp. He didnt say he wanted to struggle to get there. The evo3 might get him there but it will take lots of fine tuning and headache. Then, if he decides he wants more, he has to buy another turbo to do that. I prefer to go with the larger turbo and have 400 on pump gas, not race fuel. You show me someone running 400+awhp on pump with a 16g daily and I will retract my statement.

EDIT: and why do you have to a stock flywheel for a good launch? My last trip to the track netted me 1.67 60' with a fidanza at 5500 rpm and on all season radials.

I missed that part.

In that case:
2.3 stroker and GT35R.

Heavier flywheels keep momentium. Oh, and I hope you're handy with a socket wrench.

 

[92awddsm]

Oh, and I hope you're handy with a socket wrench.

Why is that?

 

[ilikespeeding]

Why is that?

More power usually means more breaking. Plus 400 hp is a good amount of work. Unless you want to dish out money for others to do it for you...

 

[DiemondJ8383]

Gauges? And maybe upgraded o2 housing and manifold.

 

[Drift_SM]

so you did all your P.M work already I assume?

 

[justin0469]

If you are gettin a MBC, alot of people swear by Joe P MBC, and cost like $50, not $220.
Heres a combo... Walbro 255 + aeromotive fpr kit (comes with lines and fittings) = $275
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?cPath=91&products_id=2373
heres another one...Apexi N1 downpipe + N1 catback = $686
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?cPath=91&products_id=2629
one more.....autometer gauge, autometer pods, joe p mbc = $156
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?cPath=91&products_id=2753
last one...... ACT 2600 clutch, ACT flywheel etc = $622
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?cPath=91&products_id=2604

Combos save money! They actually offer that fpr kit with SS lines too! RRE actually recommends a different exhaust now that out flows the N1, check out their exhaust section. Espelier 80mm SS http://roadraceengineering.com/eclexhaust.htm

 

[DSMCosmo]

Awesome thanks a lot for the help and quick responses.

Thanks to Justin for the combo links that will save me lots of money, but, money is not an option. I know I didn't state that but I don't want a supreme machine.

Gauges I've already stated I've been looking up a Pillar Setup that has EGT/Boost/Oil Pressure, which should be good enough from what I've been reading.

Yes, a lot of my friends have been telling me this, that a lot more power means a lot more breaking. Especially on an almost 10 year old car. I realise this, but I also realise that crap happens. So be it, like I stated above I won't push this car until its complete and if something breaks I'll get it replaced, not a problem.

I've thought about stroker's etc, but I've also heard and read a lot about them breaking, keeping rev's below 7200rpm's etc. So i just don't want to take my chances.

And yes, I'm great with a wrench. I have a 3 Car garage, Motor Lift, all the tools metric and not, 3 prong puller puller etc, I can do everything from my home. This is how I learned on my civic

Turbo wise, again sure I would have went a Evo III, or a Big 16G, but just in case I want more power and let alone I want to be able to optain 400hp easily with no problems this is why I choose the FPGreen, I wanted the GT35R but I know I wouldn't use it to its full potential with this setup.


Again, thanks for the quick repsones and keep them coming if possible!

 

[ilikespeeding]

Good, you're going to love having that lift.

Oh and you're probably gonna need a wideband 02 sensor for tuning needs.

 

[DGajre777]

You are missing an upgraded o2 housing on your list.

With the Green, if you want it to hold boost at high psi in 4th and 5th gears, you will need to get an external wastegate. This is the response I got from Forced Performance when I e-mailed them about creep issues on an internal wastegate FP Green.
"We've had customers that have had creeping issues in 4th or 5th gear on high RPM's but what do you expect for a big turbo with a tiny wastegate port."

If you decide to go external with the Green, you have to choose if you want the external wastegate mounted on the exhaust manifold or the o2 housing.

If you want it mounted on the exhaust manifold, SBR www.slowboyracing.com makes a good Exhaust manifold with a flange for a Tail style 38mm external wastegate.

If you want to mount it on the o2 and want it rerouted to your exhaust (if you don't want to dump), you can get o2 housings from www.122performance.com, www.straightlinespecialities.com or www.victoryperformance.com

And if all your maintenance is done, I don't see why you'll be breaking parts. Even the tech guide states that 400whp can be pushed out of a DSM reliably. If your timing belts, compression check, leak down test, etc is done I don't see why stuff should break.

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

good thing you checked here before going through with all of this bro. You definitely have a couple of things that needed to be addressed. You would have hated the lag on the 35R with your setup. You need to also begin to consider Cometic HG and ARP head stud's when you are making the kind of power you are talking about. Also make sure you do a leak test and compression check so that you can make sure you don't have any issues that can surface after you have all this money invested into your project.

best of luck.

 

[GSntncT]

Bro, alot of this I've already told you in out PM escapade yesterday.

When are you getting this car anyway?

 

[DSMCosmo]

Wastegate has already been determined, 38-40MM Tial External

Wideband - AEM UEGO Wideband Gauge Kit

I'll look for an O2 Housing, and check into head studs and the likes.


Yeah, its nice to have all the space and tools to do it yourself

Oh yea, GSntncT I am going to look at 3 cars this weekend, a 98' GSX, 99' GS-T (yea I know I'll need a LSD and the likes), and a 95' Talon TSI AWD.

Hoping one is in good shape

 

[Splitpi]

See my comments... looks like a great setup though..

Intake - Dejon Tool CIP-2gM 100$
BoV - Tial 225$ (My Comment: Go with with a 1G Bov
Boost Controller - Hallman Evo RX MBC 220$ (My Comment: For a little more you could go electric
Exhaust - Apexi N1 - 630$ (My Comment: Personal choice, but I prefer going with a stock looking setup
Fuel Pump - Walboro 255 250$
Turbo - GT35R 1300$
Water Injection - Coolingmist deluxe 300$
Cams - HKS 272/272 550$ (My Comment: possibly think of 262/272 or Comp 100's as alternative)
Piggyback system - DSMLink 600$ (My Comment: Don't forget the Eprom ECU, and if you get an EBC and Boost gauge you can tie them into DSMLink for an added advantage)
Intercooler - DV/DT Fab 2G FMIC KIT 1200$ (My Comment: Dejon Tools has some great prices on them too for much less
Fuel Pressure Regulator - Aeromotive AFPR 150$ (My Comment: Get the AFPR kit from Import Evolution)
Downpipe - Megan Racing 230$ (My Comment: It can be found for about $90)
Injectors - Denso 880cc 500$
Clutch - ACT2600 400$
Wastegate - Tial 40mm 230$
Flywheel - Fidanza 450$

 

[GSntncT]

Oh yea, GSntncT I am going to look at 3 cars this weekend, a 98' GSX, 99' GS-T (yea I know I'll need a LSD and the likes), and a 95' Talon TSI AWD.

Hoping one is in good shape

Sweet. I got mine from Northern Jersey. I hope that the car your find is in the near perfect condition(minus front bumper) and low miles like mine.