Pistons are here! block is tore down.. stroker build pics

[joeracer321]

Well, I am WAY over budget and further from the original plan than expected. I don't know who has followed my stroy but two weeks ago I spun a rod bearing, changed bearings and the knock came back. So I decide to do a rebuild... Well hey a 2.4 crank bolts right in and its not that much more to do it, so here comes custom J&E pistons, Eagle rods and a brand spankin new crank. Well now that T25 is not going to work with the stroker, so I bought a bulls-eye performance t3/t4 60 trim, stock intercooler wont flow, so I read up and found that JR's intercoolers were reasonable and excelent quality, so I got the FMIC race kit. Need injectors to flow, so I got 780cc injectors, and to go with that an ECU+ from MachV, Those are the big things there are TONS of little things to go with it, new revised lifters, gaskets, studs top and bottom. Oh yeah and I have an A/T so I had to get a shift kit and end clutch kit to try to extend the life of the trans. Anyhow, I have to say again I am a former 5.0 guy (NO FLAMES) and I bought this car to be a driver, I really don't know what this thing is going to be capable of, anyone with stroker and/or t3/t4 experience please let me know, what I am in for. I will update this thread as parts come in and get assembled.

 

[5150DSM]

Once you get the tuning done you should have a mid 10 second race-car with assloads of midrange torque and an interesting top-end. I say interesting because I wonder how long the tranny will hold up at those power levels, even with the improvments. You are probably looking in the neighborhood of 400 whp if not a little more. Should come out of the hole like a jackrabbit on fire though. Sounds like fun but I would start looking for a built manual tranny for when you burn the auto to shiet.

 

[joeracer321]

If I burn this trans, I will be going with an upgraded overhaul kit, there are guys doing 9's on these transmissions, so I am not too worried about it. I also am installing a super efficient trans cooler to keep the heat down in the trans, agian to try to extend the life of the trans. But are you sure about 10's? That seems a bit much, I was hoping for a mid 12 on a good tune and good air.

 

[espinelli]

Dude, seriously...10's? Ya OK. Puff, puff pass it around and don't f'up rotation!!

Sounds like you have a nice setup going. You shouldn't have any problems getting into low 12's and possibly seeing 11's

 

[joeracer321]

that sounds like a more reasonable estimate of my et times, who out there has a similiar set up, and what is that set up... injectors, what kind of tune are you running, tell me how streetable it is and such.

 

[greathuskie]

id hope you are trying to do better then low 12s with a fully built stroker

 

[5150DSM]

id hope you are trying to do better then low 12s with a fully built stroker

That's what I'm saying. I have gone a best of 12.6 @ 108mph on the 14b with a pure stock motor. You won't hit 10's your first time out, probably not your 10th either but I remain confident that your set-up is capable. For example, the turbo you are running is capable of 500+whp, you have the fuel to support that and your engine internals and bottom end will easily hold up. Tuning and driving are the main impediments to maximize the effectiveness of your set-up, with solid tuning and driving I have no doubts you can reach the 10's. I am sure you have seen it but for the others, here's a compressor map from his turbo. If you'll notice, 25psi falls right in the middle of the efficiency "island" for this turbo; properly tuned, 25psi on a 2.4l stroker is good for 130-135mph which in turn is good for a high to mid 10.

 

[1fast97gsx]

yea but a "built" motor won't automatically go faster than a stock motor. The only way it will go faster is with more compression. The only advantage a built motor offers is you can run more boost ... that's when race gas also comes into play. On race gas this car should pull mid 11s all day long, on pump gas it will be the ordinary 12 second dsm. Stroker is nice for torque ... doesn't really add too much horsepower. Now overall this car will be a lot more responsive and off a roll eat a 2.0 with the same turbo alive, but when it comes to drag racing there isn't much spooling to be done. Good luck with the motor and keep us posted

 

[espinelli]

That's what I'm saying. I have gone a best of 12.6 @ 108mph on the 14b with a pure stock motor. You won't hit 10's your first time out, probably not your 10th either but I remain confident that your set-up is capable. For example, the turbo you are running is capable of 500+whp, you have the fuel to support that and your engine internals and bottom end will easily hold up. Tuning and driving are the main impediments to maximize the effectiveness of your set-up, with solid tuning and driving I have no doubts you can reach the 10's. I am sure you have seen it but for the others, here's a compressor map from his turbo. If you'll notice, 25psi falls right in the middle of the efficiency "island" for this turbo; properly tuned, 25psi on a 2.4l stroker is good for 130-135mph which in turn is good for a high to mid 10.

First of all no one ever said his setup isn't capable. Second, he has a 2.0 block not a 2.4, therefore its 2.3L. Third, just because you upgrade to a set of forged pistons and Eagle rods doesn't mean your going to make more power. What they will do is 'support' more power. The pistons and rods make your bottom end stronger. Also you'll need to be making a lot more than 400hp to bust into the 10's. I'll bet the majority of the guys that are in the 10s are running full T4's.

Joeracer, not slamming your setup, its very similiar to mine. Just trying to be realistic.

 

[joeracer321]

I wasn't making any 10 sec claims at all, I really don't have a true idea of what this package is capable of. As I stated above this is my first DSM, but I am no newbie to the car scene. I just switched from 5.0's to a GSX. I got wore out on mustangs and I wanted something that handled extremely well and was a good driver. If my motor had never gone, I probably would not have gone to the extreme that I have now. But I got a little carried away ordering parts. And I hope to have a descent car that might surprise a few people on the street. I was also asking all of you out there who have strokers or t3/t4 set ups how it was going, what other mods you have done, and what it runs.

 

[joeracer321]

Also Espenelli, I would like to chat with you a bit about you set up and how you got her tuned. If you want PM me and I will send you my AIM or Yahoo IM.

 

[gurrmanator]

Well, I am WAY over budget and further from the original plan than expected. I don't know who has followed my stroy but two weeks ago I spun a rod bearing, changed bearings and the knock came back. So I decide to do a rebuild... Well hey a 2.4 crank bolts right in and its not that much more to do it, so here comes custom J&E pistons, Eagle rods and a brand spankin new crank. Well now that T25 is not going to work with the stroker, so I bought a bulls-eye performance t3/t4 60 trim, stock intercooler wont flow, so I read up and found that JR's intercoolers were reasonable and excelent quality, so I got the FMIC race kit. Need injectors to flow, so I got 780cc injectors, and to go with that an ECU+ from MachV, Those are the big things there are TONS of little things to go with it, new revised lifters, gaskets, studs top and bottom. Oh yeah and I have an A/T so I had to get a shift kit and end clutch kit to try to extend the life of the trans. Anyhow, I have to say again I am a former 5.0 guy (NO FLAMES) and I bought this car to be a driver, I really don't know what this thing is going to be capable of, anyone with stroker and/or t3/t4 experience please let me know, what I am in for. I will update this thread as parts come in and get assembled.

I got the same set-up:make sure you balance the motor, you dont want to shake it apart.I had my crank"knife edged"the motor just feels better but im still doing alot of tunning(getting ready for nitrous)good luck.

 

[super95awd]

Also you'll need to be making a lot more than 400hp to bust into the 10's. I'll bet the majority of the guys that are in the 10s are running full T4's.

You need in the neighborhood of 500whp to break into the 10's normally. Majority of the guys that run 10's running full T4's???? That's interesting cause I personally know 2 guys in the 10's (1 deep 10's) in essentially full weight 1g's running bolt on fp30's . It's a more attainable goal than most people think. You just have to have time, money, and know what you're doing.

 

[joeracer321]

Every 10 sec car I know is not a daily driver at all. I think a mid 11 to low 12 car is usually still a good enough and reliable enough car to drive on the street and that is what I am really shooting for here.

 

[1fast97gsx]

how is a 10 second car less reliable than a 11 or 12 second car. Run the 10 second car on pump gas and drive it normal on the street and it will be fine. I never understand when people say higher horsepower cars aren't safe for the street ... we have awd and we can turn the boost down. ( or just not floor it ... ) How safe can you get!?!?

 

[espinelli]

You need in the neighborhood of 500whp to break into the 10's normally. .

Agreed. That's my point. Check the 2nd post. I'm finishing up my car which has very similiar mods as joeracer. After I get it all put together, break it in, and after a little tuning expect to be in the 10's? I'm sorry but I just think that's unrealistic.

Majority of the guys that run 10's running full T4's???? That's interesting cause I personally know 2 guys in the 10's (1 deep 10's) in essentially full weight 1g's running bolt on fp30's . .

I said the 'majority', which does not mean all. Look, my point is that you'll need a huge turbo to get into 10's. Can you drive it on the street? Yeah of course, but the majority of the cars running 10's will probably have huge lag which I personally don't like in a daily driver. I'm curious which GT30 wheel those guys are running since there are a few flavors.

It's a more attainable goal than most people think. You just have to have time, money, and know what you're doing.

I never said it was impossible. My goal is an 11's car with a build up that will allow me to get into the 10's if I should ever decide to go that route. Hopefully, when its done it will be fast at the track and still fun to drive on the street.

 

[joeracer321]

I think even a high 11 sec. timeslip would be very respectable for me. But also the only track in the county here is 3000 ft above sea level and headwind is always an issue. So realistically I am really going to see low to mid 12's I think. I will be a bit upset if it doesn't break 13's though.

 

[98spydert]

Christ, you a-holes are creating arguments out of nothing. I think the lowest time he hoped for was a high eleven... whatever

That's quite a mod list, you'll have to keep us posted!! Good luck.

 

[joeracer321]

Yeah its going to take a while, it took all day to modify the bumper cover and inner bumper to make the FMIC fit. But it looks really good now, I didn't just hack it and put it in there. It is flush with the inner bumper.

 

[DSMTurbos]

you can drive any turbo on the street, lag is overrated.

 

[gurrmanator]

You need in the neighborhood of 500whp to break into the 10's normally. Majority of the guys that run 10's running full T4's???? That's interesting cause I personally know 2 guys in the 10's (1 deep 10's) in essentially full weight 1g's running bolt on fp30's . It's a more attainable goal than most people think. You just have to have time, money, and know what you're doing.

"heavy" on the money part.

 

[gurrmanator]

how is a 10 second car less reliable than a 11 or 12 second car. Run the 10 second car on pump gas and drive it normal on the street and it will be fine. I never understand when people say higher horsepower cars aren't safe for the street ... we have awd and we can turn the boost down. ( or just not floor it ... ) How safe can you get!?!?

Amen to that;I can go from "GROCERY GETTER" to FULL RACE in 10 minutes

 

[joeracer321]

yeah, you can drive a 10 sec car on the street, its when you take it to the track and break stuff, that you find out that it is not your reliable daily driver.

 

[espinelli]

"heavy" on the money part.

Ok. I think we can all agree to that. :laugh:

 

[anomalyinva]

that sounds like a more reasonable estimate of my et times, who out there has a similiar set up, and what is that set up... injectors, what kind of tune are you running, tell me how streetable it is and such.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139009 That guy just ran a 10.93 in 91 gsx with a stock head web cams, ross/eagle combo, t3t4 57 trim i a 82 ar housing, keydrivers/afc/maft combo 720cc injectors, trans lab $20 shift kit, hughes converter, BJ SMI, 216 FMIC, tial bov. He says in the thread the car is full weight/full glass. So, your 2.4 60 combo has the POTENTIAL to go faster.