King Salami
20+ Year Contributor
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- Jun 27, 2002
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Oklahoma City,
Oklahoma
I've read innumerable posts on part throttle knock. I have not read any that are accomanied by rich lo/mid fuel trims, which is what my problem is.
Here's my story:
When I converted to my 2G MAS & 560 injectors, I had Nate & Jeff burn me a Stage 3 chip for that setup (set to 40-42 psi fuel press to give me a bit of fuel press tuning room).
Since then, I'm still running too rich on my low (81) & mid (87) fuel trims. The high trim is at 94. O2 feedback trim cycles from about 45 - 80 unless I'm cruising on the freeway, then it stays around 85 - 125.
I can't figure out why I'm running so rich down low! I've also got a nasty part-throttle knock. With a load on the engine in 1st & 2nd I get 15 - 40 counts of knock coming out of vacuum. If I back off & reapply gas or just initially stomp the gas, my knock counts are much less. My WOT knock is pretty standard - about 7-20 counts above 5000 rpm.
I know the injectors are Evo 560's, My timing is 5 deg (I experimented w/ 3 degrees - no change), I've got new plugs (gapped correctly) that all look uniformly grayish tan, I've got no major boost leaks. I have no sputters or jerks (ignition). I also used MCCC about 3K miles ago, but I'm assuming that all that extra fuel has already carboned up my cylinders. I've swapped in another chip for 550's (even richer). I cannot find any indications from my logger that anything is amiss except for my abnormally rich fuel trims.
Can a faulty EGR cause this rich condition and the knock? I cleaned & tested mine - it reacts under vacuum, and the thermal valve that controls it is working fine. I backed out the MAS screw all the way - it got me a little leaner O2 feedback trim up top, but the low & mids didn't move.
Any ideas to get leaner (I don't have the cash for an AFC right now) & get rid of the part throttle knock?
Here's my story:
When I converted to my 2G MAS & 560 injectors, I had Nate & Jeff burn me a Stage 3 chip for that setup (set to 40-42 psi fuel press to give me a bit of fuel press tuning room).
Since then, I'm still running too rich on my low (81) & mid (87) fuel trims. The high trim is at 94. O2 feedback trim cycles from about 45 - 80 unless I'm cruising on the freeway, then it stays around 85 - 125.
I can't figure out why I'm running so rich down low! I've also got a nasty part-throttle knock. With a load on the engine in 1st & 2nd I get 15 - 40 counts of knock coming out of vacuum. If I back off & reapply gas or just initially stomp the gas, my knock counts are much less. My WOT knock is pretty standard - about 7-20 counts above 5000 rpm.
I know the injectors are Evo 560's, My timing is 5 deg (I experimented w/ 3 degrees - no change), I've got new plugs (gapped correctly) that all look uniformly grayish tan, I've got no major boost leaks. I have no sputters or jerks (ignition). I also used MCCC about 3K miles ago, but I'm assuming that all that extra fuel has already carboned up my cylinders. I've swapped in another chip for 550's (even richer). I cannot find any indications from my logger that anything is amiss except for my abnormally rich fuel trims.
Can a faulty EGR cause this rich condition and the knock? I cleaned & tested mine - it reacts under vacuum, and the thermal valve that controls it is working fine. I backed out the MAS screw all the way - it got me a little leaner O2 feedback trim up top, but the low & mids didn't move.
Any ideas to get leaner (I don't have the cash for an AFC right now) & get rid of the part throttle knock?